"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Yeah, stomping Vegeta isn't even an impressive feat for Jiren since he already beat his superior but nonetheless Vegeta's about to job hard, you don't have to be stronger than your opponent to job.

Vegeta can't 'job' since we already know that outside of UI Vegeta never stood a chance.

Jobbing is more than just losing. It's losing to show the power of someone, like the Worf Effect, or you do worst than normal for someone to win. Vegeta going all out and doing his best and losing isn't 'jobbing', especially when we already know it's a hopeless battle for him.

[Cetra]

Non-canon characters' statements shouldn't mean much.

They mean more than your totally unnecessary and senseless fan-comment about unasked canonicity statements reflecting just another misunderstanding of the term of canonicity.

TLDR: Spare me your posts.

[Mercenary]

Non-canon characters' statements shouldn't mean much.

They mean more than your totally unnecessary and senseless fan-comment about unasked canonicity statements reflecting just another misunderstanding of the term of canonicity.

TLDR: Spare me your posts.

Did I touch a nerve?

[TheSaiyanGod]

https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/9 ... 4505549824

Well, the Yonkou version says otherwise.

He says vegeta has a good fight against Jiren, but he is defeated.
Instead of '' being defeated without even getting a good fight ''

[Grimlock]

Vegeta getting to hit Jiren in a way even Goku didn't manage surely tells us something different from Herms' version.

[Analytical Delusion]

As happy as I am to see Gohan getting his Ultimate power back, to me he has clearly overstayed his welcome. He isn't as strong as the other characters remaining, and isn't a returning character like Freeza or #17. That isn't to say he needs to job, but he's had enough featured fights, and it would require major suspension of disbelief to see him fight with Toppo or Jiren (even Dyspo seems like a stretch, maybe he can help take him down, or they can be eliminated together).

After Gohan is eliminated, I don't have any preference for the order of the remaining characters. There have been statements of Goku's/Vegeta's/Freeza's wishes, so I imagine it'll be one of them (even though Freeza is my favorite character, I kind of hope he doesn't win; it'll likely result in him being killed again, meanwhile if he doesn't win the TOP he could just be brought to life, and remain a relevant figure in the series). Though Jiren's wish has been foreshadowed in the manga, so perhaps he wins (I can actually see the Zenos eliminating universe 7 but sparing Goku because he's their friend).

Hah, classic Vegeta.

Or as Broly says.

So it's true: You are all talk and no action.

Non-canon characters' statements shouldn't mean much.

Brutal, you win the Internet today.

[HeroR]

https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/9 ... 4505549824

Well, the Yonkou version says otherwise.

He says vegeta has a good fight against Jiren, but he is defeated.
Instead of '' being defeated without even getting a good fight ''

You can always asked Herms about the different.

[Yedis]

https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/9 ... 4505549824

Well, the Yonkou version says otherwise.

He says vegeta has a good fight against Jiren, but he is defeated.
Instead of '' being defeated without even getting a good fight ''

Herms version has been wrong before. Remember Krillin was stated to be disqualified, while the Yonkou version stated he would be eliminated.

It could be a similar thing.

[Ki Breaker]

Sooo, is Jiren telling jokes mid fight or is goku just really good at handling the pressure of possible non-existence..

[HeroR]

Sooo, is Jiren telling jokes mid fight or is goku just really good at handling the pressure of possible non-existence..

I want to scene saved that picture of Goku.

[Cetra]

Non-canon characters' statements shouldn't mean much.

They mean more than your totally unnecessary and senseless fan-comment about unasked canonicity statements reflecting just another misunderstanding of the term of canonicity.

TLDR: Spare me your posts.

Did I touch a nerve?

By behaving like a mass produced youtube drone with the same kinds of answers containing terms you do not understand? Not at all. It is just the average day. But we should live in a world where it should not be. With the second trollish response I doubt you even intend to remotely understand that and are in for an argument like, I repeat, the youtube drones.

Don't be a youtube drone.

[TheSaiyanGod]

In fact, the title of EP 123 also has '' Goku and Vegeta '', which means that the two will fight.
I do not understand why the focus on '' Goku turns into SSB '', whereas in the synopsis of EP 124 it is said that Goku and Vegeta were facing Jiren (probably referring to the previous EP).

[Mercenary]

They mean more than your totally unnecessary and senseless fan-comment about unasked canonicity statements reflecting just another misunderstanding of the term of canonicity.

TLDR: Spare me your posts.

Did I touch a nerve?

By behaving like a mass producted youtube drone with the same kinds of answers containing terms you do not understand? Not at all. It is just the average day. But we should live in a world where it should not be. With the second trollish response I doubt you even intend to remotely understand that.

And what exactly do I not understand? That Brolly isn't canon? That just means he didn't appear in the proper storyline. Would you deny it?

[Cetra]

And what exactly do I not understand? That Brolly isn't canon? That just means he didn't appear in the proper storyline. Would you deny it?

You do not understand a few things.

1. "Canon" is not an adjective. The term is "canonical". "Canon" and "Canonicity" are the substantives.
2. The Canonicity argument is something only the realy stubborn fans still cling to the notion that there is a properly established canonicity when it actually is not. Dragon Ball is very foggy about that.There are multiple rights holders and they will all do hell and say outright "this is canonical and this is not" because they will lose money from that.
3. Canonical does not mean "it appears in the proper story". Nor does it mean what other fans are trying to make up with magical arguments like "it does not make sense it ain't cannnnnon, it is not made by Toriyama so it ain't cannnnnon, it sux ass so it ain't kannenn, it is not in the manga so it ain't caanonnnn, I am a fan and I have the magical power of imagination to decide what matters for a franchise I do not even own". The rights holders can decide what they acknowledge within their body of work as one connected part. They will never ever say "this is and this is not". Fans are trying their best to twist words like "ohhh, ohh!! side story so it ain't canon!!!" but that is also not how it works.

There will never be a canonicity statement about Dragon Ball in a way fans wish for.

So what would I not deny: Broly is a movie character. But THAT'S IT. And even if Dragon Ball would have a properly established canonicity your post would still be unasked for. What exactly would your first post mean? Nothing.

[Totamo]

Because back then, the story was framed more as adventure story, so of course it followed the main character around more than the others. In fact, the Pilaf arc made Toriyama realize that Goku's character kinda got overshadowed by the louder and more colorful presence of Bulma, Yamcha and Oolong, so he made them split. Not to mention that Goku's immense strength was more or less part of a joke, that he was this odd, callow, were-monkey boy that could learn ki techniques which took fifty years to master by watching it once. King Piccolo was the first real threat the story ever had, and yeah, he was given exclusively to Goku.
However, this changes once DB takes a clear and definite turn from the adventure genre to straight-up action. The cast gets bigger, Toriyama feels they're good enough to carry the story instead of Goku for long portions of the story, even have them surpass Goku on occasion. Z part of DB is what people love most, and that part was generous in sharing it's screen-time with the other characters.

Nope. During the red ribbon saga, Toriyama was asked numerous times why he only focused on Goku. Fans complained about it back then as well. Z also got those same complaints as well with the waiting for Goku syndrome. We all know how many feel about GT. Super was called the Goku and Vegeta show up until now.

The point is: This has always been a thing and its not changing now.


Also no, Z is not what people love the most as many fans will tell you ball was better.

I don't like Gohan. But even I have to admit (because it's a FACT) that SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell is probably the most popular fight in the entire DB franchise (judging from the views on YT) and SSJ2 Gohan was the most popular character back in the day. Even more popular than Goku.

So there's no really problem with sidelining Goku and giving the title of the main protagonist to someone else.

It just depends on willingness.

In the west, maybe but not in Japan, who quite frankly matter more than we do. The Freeza saga is the by far the most popular.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

[Mercenary]

And what exactly do I not understand? That Brolly isn't canon? That just means he didn't appear in the proper storyline. Would you deny it?

You do not understand a few things.

1. "Canon" is not an adjective. The term is "canonical". "Canon" and "Canonicity" are the substantives.
2. The Canonicity argument is something only the relaly stubborn fans still cling to the notion that there is a properly established canonicity when it actually is not. There are multiple rights holders and they will all do hell and say outright "this is canonical and this is not" because they will lose money from that.
3. Canonical does not mean "it appears in the proper story". Nor does it mean what other fans are trying to make up with magical arguments like "it does not make sense it ain't cannnnnon, it is not made by Toriyama so it ain't cannnnnon, it sux ass so it ain't kannenn, it is not in the manga so it ain't caanonnnn, I am a fan and I have the magical power of imagination to decide what matters for a franchise I do not even own". The rights holders can decide what they acknowledge within their body of work as one connected part. They will never ever say "this is and this is not". Fans are trying their best to twist words like "ohhh, ohh!! side story so it ain't canon!!!" but that is also not how it works.

There will never be a canonicity statement about Dragon Ball in a way fans wish for.

So what would I not deny: Broly is a movie character. But THAT'S IT. And even if Dragon Ball would have a properly established canonicity your post would still be unasked for. What exactly would your first post mean? Nothing.

Ok, I am sorry my German friend if I offended you. I never meant to do it tbh.

Nope. During the red ribbon saga, Toriyama was asked numerous times why he only focused on Goku. Fans complained about it back then as well. Z also got those same complaints as well with the waiting for Goku syndrome. We all know how many feel about GT. Super was called the Goku and Vegeta show up until now.

The point is: This has always been a thing and its not changing now.


Also no, Z is not what people love the most as many fans will tell you ball was better.

I don't like Gohan. But even I have to admit (because it's a FACT) that SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell is probably the most popular fight in the entire DB franchise (judging from the views on YT) and SSJ2 Gohan was the most popular character back in the day. Even more popular than Goku.

So there's no really problem with sidelining Goku and giving the title of the main protagonist to someone else.

It just depends on willingness.

In the west, maybe but not in Japan, who quite frankly matter more than we do. The Freeza saga is the by far the most popular.

Didn't know about it. So I guess I'll hold this L.

[Cetra]

Ok, I am sorry my German friend if I offended you. I never meant to do it tbh.

You did not offend me. It just gets tiresome reading stuff like that. You have to imagine you are not the only person to write such things.

[Mercenary]

Ok, I am sorry my German friend if I offended you. I never meant to do it tbh.

You did not offend me. It just gets tiresome reading stuff like that. You have to imagine you are not the only person to write such things.

I just got a bit triggered when I saw you mocking Veggie boy. He's constantly getting shafted by Toei. No need to mock him more .

[Totamo]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

Basically, we have no idea how this will go down.