"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

People are expecting Vegeta to be around Kefla level, meaning stronger than TV Special UI Goku.

[Professor Freeza]

People are expecting Vegeta to be around Kefla level, meaning stronger than TV Special UI Goku.

No one's expecting that

[TheSaiyanGod]

People are expecting Vegeta to be around Kefla level, meaning stronger than TV Special UI Goku.

I REALLY hope Vegeta is at least stronger than Goku SSB Kaioken.
It's the least considering all his training in RoSaT, and would be a great evolution for him (considering that Goku is also evolving during the tournament, that's fair).

But it does not have to be just with Blue, he could show an improvement of that transformation, just like the manga.
Or simply by overcoming their limits during the battle, something that Goku has already done

[Kenneth La Torre]

People are expecting Vegeta to be around Kefla level, meaning stronger than TV Special UI Goku.

It doesnt matter if vegeta becomes stronger than TV special UI Goku in my opinion. If he indeed does turn out be this strong, and its still nothing to jiren, then it solidifies the position of power Jiren posseses. It makes jirens tittle of "a mortal even a god of destruction cant beat" more believable (not like anyone was doubting his tittle anyways)

But yeah, i doubt vegeta would get that strong

[Noah]

It feels like Goku and Vegeta are starting to outgrow Whis and Beerus as mentors. Well...Whis mostly.

They will never surpass him though.

[ToshioWrites]

Jiren is so broken I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he easily beat SSB Vegito.

[Kenneth La Torre]

It feels like Goku and Vegeta are starting to outgrow Whis and Beerus as mentors. Well...Whis mostly.

They will never surpass him though.

Well, goku would probably never surpass whis. But if he indeed does someday, theres the great priest, which would be an infinitely better mentor.

[TheSaiyanGod]

After leaving images of the episode 122, we saw that in one of them Vegeta is well wounded and with part of the broken armor.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

This seems to be at the end of the fight, because in the preview, the moment Vegeta is preparing to use the Final Flash, we can already see him with some scratches and the same part of the broken armor.
Probably, this Final Flash will consume a lot of your energy and it will be worn out (though, as we have seen in the synopses, it will continue to struggle with Goku).

It is possible that the attack that left Vegeta so wounded is that Jiren's Ki sphere, the same one that appeared dragging him around the arena in the preview (maybe he will resist and try to use his last resort to defeat Jiren, in this case Final Flash)

[Mercenary]

After leaving images of the episode 122, we saw that in one of them Vegeta is well wounded and with part of the broken armor.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

This seems to be at the end of the fight, because in the preview, the moment Vegeta is preparing to use the Final Flash, we can already see him with some scratches and the same part of the broken armor.
Probably, this Final Flash will consume a lot of your energy and it will be worn out (though, as we have seen in the synopses, it will continue to struggle with Goku).

It is possible that the attack that left Vegeta so wounded is that Jiren's Ki sphere, the same one that appeared dragging him around the arena in the preview (maybe he will resist and try to use his last resort to defeat Jiren, in this case Final Flash)

Your prediction is probably right.

Man, I really grew on Vegeta in DBS. I know he was badass back in the day but I like him more in DBS than ever before. I hope he will contribute to Jiren's downfall at the very end.

[Lionel]

In my opinion, Jiren doesn't seem all that impressive. Sure he wields near indomitable power but that seems to be the crux of his worth. He can't be stopped because the studio purposefully delimits the ingenuity of its main cast. Good for the spectacle that it will inevitably create but bad for the underlying concept that this tournament and the characters are supposed to represent. If there's any impression of Jiren that I personally have it's that he's tasteless and dull, and that's not even counting his personality. I find more vibrancy and entertainment in Guldo's short fight with the Z-fighters frankly.

[ToshioWrites]

In my opinion, Jiren doesn't seem all that impressive. Sure he wields near indomitable power but that seems to be the crux of his worth. He can't be stopped because the studio purposefully delimits the ingenuity of its main cast. Good for the spectacle that it will inevitably create but bad for the underlying concept that this tournament and the characters are supposed to represent. If there's any impression of Jiren that I personally have it's that he's tasteless and dull, and that's not even counting his personality. I find more vibrancy and entertainment in Guldo's short fight with the Z-fighters frankly.

Thats how this franchise has always been. Techniques, skills and strategy can only make up for so much. When someone is ridiculously more powerful than you, you will lose regardless of what you do. Look at Goku vs Beerus, Goku is a fighting savant and still in SSG he couldn't do jack to Beerus cause the power gap was so much.

[The gr]

Funny? Nah I think you meant epic, also I would like to see him attaining Ultra Instinct (Freeza owning Jiren ass while "Ka Ka Kachi Daze" plays would be priceless on screen) and he possibily winning this tournament for some twist.

More like frieza taking a cheap shot to jiren when the latter is completely tired after his match with UI

In my opinion, Jiren doesn't seem all that impressive. Sure he wields near indomitable power but that seems to be the crux of his worth. He can't be stopped because the studio purposefully delimits the ingenuity of its main cast. Good for the spectacle that it will inevitably create but bad for the underlying concept that this tournament and the characters are supposed to represent. If there's any impression of Jiren that I personally have it's that he's tasteless and dull, and that's not even counting his personality. I find more vibrancy and entertainment in Guldo's short fight with the Z-fighters frankly.

Didn't jiren completely adapted to Hit time skip,i think that is a impressive feat.

[Jigurashi]

Funny? Nah I think you meant epic, also I would like to see him attaining Ultra Instinct (Freeza owning Jiren ass while "Ka Ka Kachi Daze" plays would be priceless on screen) and he possibily winning this tournament for some twist.

More like frieza taking a cheap shot to jiren when the latter is completely tired after his match with UI

In my opinion, Jiren doesn't seem all that impressive. Sure he wields near indomitable power but that seems to be the crux of his worth. He can't be stopped because the studio purposefully delimits the ingenuity of its main cast. Good for the spectacle that it will inevitably create but bad for the underlying concept that this tournament and the characters are supposed to represent. If there's any impression of Jiren that I personally have it's that he's tasteless and dull, and that's not even counting his personality. I find more vibrancy and entertainment in Guldo's short fight with the Z-fighters frankly.

Didn't jiren completely adapted to Hit time skip,i think that is a impressive feat.

He did. Jiren usually relies on raw power, but for the first half of his fight with Hit, he wasn't fighting like that. He fought like a martial artist and relied on his combat prowess and combat intellect for the first half. Instead of just tanking Hit's attacks when Hit was on the offensive, Jiren reads Hit's movements through the Time Skip + Pocket Dimension, adapted to the Time Skip as Hit stated, and countered every assault Hit tried. Jiren has a lack of techniques, but I enjoyed watching his fight with Hit because you can have a character who is mostly raw power and still present them as a very skilled fighter.

[Lionel]

Eh... I'm not so sure. In the Goku vs Beerus example, their fight can be summarised as a tried & true fisticuffs scrimmage. If the originality and out of the box thinking was there then where were the power independent techniques like the Taiyoken or Kienzan? Why doesn't Goku attack with a different style of combat that would bypass these outer defences of the opponent? With Jiren, I did notice how he "adapted" to Hit's Toki-Tobashi. But I would attribute that to Jiren's power level being so much higher that relativistic perception doesn't matter with skipped time segments because Hit's speed is insufficient (we saw this in the initial stages of Goku's usage of Kaioken against Hit). What was also noteworthy is the lack of Phoenix Eye Fist techniques used there. Dim Mak is supposed to work by attacking the pressure points in the most sensitive areas of the body but I think what we saw was just uncharacteristically normal punches from the assassin. Jiren's image of invincibility seems artificially propped up because of these shortsighted limitations of his opponents' instincts.

[HeroR]

No fusion,thanks.It is a deus ex machina that should be written out of story,preferably forever.

There are 4-5 types of fusion, the first of which has been used in the Namek Saga (before we've seen the first Super Saiyan) and all but one of them have already been used in/for the ToP. How is it that a deus ex machina?

It causes unnecessary power creep and plot holes(like why don't they fuse?)

Piccolo who is in low thousands gets in million range.

Two brats which are individually weaker than piccolo become stronger than antagonist which was dozens of time stronger than if not hundreds time stronger.

Then,vegata and goku become more powerful than the antagonist who again if not hundred times but still is dozens of times powerful becomes fodder to fusion.Same with merged zamasu.

Plot hole is not a character not doing something. Goku and Vegeta don’t fused because they hate it.

Fusion also isn’t a deus ex anything since it is a known, not something out of nowhere.

[Professor Freeza]

After leaving images of the episode 122, we saw that in one of them Vegeta is well wounded and with part of the broken armor.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

This seems to be at the end of the fight, because in the preview, the moment Vegeta is preparing to use the Final Flash, we can already see him with some scratches and the same part of the broken armor.
Probably, this Final Flash will consume a lot of your energy and it will be worn out (though, as we have seen in the synopses, it will continue to struggle with Goku).

It is possible that the attack that left Vegeta so wounded is that Jiren's Ki sphere, the same one that appeared dragging him around the arena in the preview (maybe he will resist and try to use his last resort to defeat Jiren, in this case Final Flash)

I come to a bit different conclusion.

I believe Vegeta will attack him aggressively. Kick and punch Jiren in the gut. But after that jiren mauls him a bit and tries to end Vegeta with the Power Impact, which Vegeta gets out of with all he has. That will leave the scratches and damage the armor. Then Vegeta goes for the Final Flash which Jiren tanks.

[Jigurashi]

Eh... I'm not so sure. In the Goku vs Beerus example, their fight can be summarised as a tried & true fisticuffs scrimmage. If the originality and out of the box thinking was there then where were the power independent techniques like the Taiyoken or Kienzan? Why doesn't Goku attack with a different style of combat that would bypass these outer defences of the opponent? With Jiren, I did notice how he "adapted" to Hit's Toki-Tobashi. But I would attribute that to Jiren's power level being so much higher that relativistic perception doesn't matter with skipped time segments because Hit's speed is insufficient (we saw this in the initial stages of Goku's usage of Kaioken against Hit). What was also noteworthy is the lack of Phoenix Eye Fist techniques used there. Dim Mak is supposed to work by attacking the pressure points in the most sensitive areas of the body but I think what we saw was just uncharacteristically normal punches from the assassin. Jiren's image of invincibility seems artificially propped up because of these shortsighted limitations of his opponents' instincts.

It's not like he ever really got a chance to do anything. Jiren easily countered Hit's assault and then went on the offense himself, keeping Hit on the defensive. I don't really see how his aura of invincibility is artificially propped up in the slightest.

He also suppressed himself to around Hit's level. Him being much stronger doesn't really mean much since nothing at all suggested power was the reason he adapted to and countered everything Hit tried to do.

After leaving images of the episode 122, we saw that in one of them Vegeta is well wounded and with part of the broken armor.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

This seems to be at the end of the fight, because in the preview, the moment Vegeta is preparing to use the Final Flash, we can already see him with some scratches and the same part of the broken armor.
Probably, this Final Flash will consume a lot of your energy and it will be worn out (though, as we have seen in the synopses, it will continue to struggle with Goku).

It is possible that the attack that left Vegeta so wounded is that Jiren's Ki sphere, the same one that appeared dragging him around the arena in the preview (maybe he will resist and try to use his last resort to defeat Jiren, in this case Final Flash)

I come to a bit different conclusion.

I believe Vegeta will attack him aggressively. Kick and punch Jiren in the gut. But after that jiren mauls him a bit and tries to end Vegeta with the Power Impact, which Vegeta gets out of with all he has. That will leave the scratches and damage the armor. Then Vegeta goes for the Final Flash which Jiren tanks.

I could see this happening word for word.

[ToshioWrites]

I don't know what people were expecting. In episode 93 we were told there was a fighter that was > GoD. Why would you expect that fighter to have ANY issues in this tournament? Replace Jiren with Beerus, do you think the likes of Goku or Vegeta would give him any trouble. Even Hit at the u6 tournament had accepted that if Zeno hadn't appeared, Champa would have destroyed them

[IndieBooToo]

People are expecting Vegeta to be around Kefla level, meaning stronger than TV Special UI Goku.

Once Jiren gets bored and tosses Vegeta out or Vegeta goes and embarrasses himself so Goku could awaken UI again, we could move on to the real fight with Goku vs. Jiren. Frieza or Gohan could jump in once Toppo has been dealt with.

[ToshioWrites]

People are expecting Vegeta to be around Kefla level, meaning stronger than TV Special UI Goku.

Once Jiren gets bored and tosses Vegeta out or Vegeta goes and embarrasses himself so Goku could awaken UI again, we could move on to the real fight with Goku vs. Jiren. Frieza or Gohan could jump in once Toppo has been dealt with.

If you read the spoilers you would know that Goku and Vegeta team up vs Jiren in 124 and can't do anything to him. Anyways Frieza isn't going to jump in and tangle with Jiren and risk elimination. Gohan as much as I love the guy can't help vs Jiren unless its a final beam struggle with Goku