"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

No, the 6 months after Buu thing makes it clear that they're dumping the Gods movies and taking key things from them for Super, such as Beerus, Whis and Super Saiyan God.

... All that BoG gave us was Beerus, Whis, and Super Saiyan God.

Sure, ignore that it was an entire movie. My point is that the actual movies themselves, the things that helped revive the franchise, are looking like they are going to be ignored with some things cherry-picked from them.

[Araki]

Man, it's weird as shit that the two God movies helped revive Dragon Ball and now they are just going to get rid of them, especially since they were building up plot points.

I don't understand that thought. The movies never meant anything for the tv series' continuity and yet it's not like they don't exist or were erased - games and other merchandising never stopped acknowledging them. If Toriyama had no involvement with BoG and RoF no one would see them differently from the previous movies. Besides, the plot points they introduced will more than likely be expanded now, in a more friendly format.

I see Dragon Ball as three disctinct timelines: manga/tv anime/movies and ova. The first two are canon inside their own separate universes, while the third item are just extras that eventually follow their own timeline too.
I believe that's how Toei and Shueisha work too, and that's how most long running franchises do it, anyway. Trying to fit everything into one big continuity is just a pointless headache, and a tv show can't assume viewers are familiar with manga/novels/movies or other sources, they need to stick to their world. I'm positive at this point that Super will ignore anything not seen on tv before.

[Cursemark505]

Gohan was 11 when he faced Cell + 7 years time skip... 18 years old. Videl should be the same.

Gohan was 9 then. He was 16 after the timeskip. The manga blatantly stated this.

Gohan was born on May, AGE 757.
The Majin Buu saga was on May, AGE 774. +1 year on the ROSAT = 18 years.

As I said, the manga blatantly stated that he was 16. He was also a high school freshman. The ROSAT is irrelevant since neither the characters nor the manga took that into account.

[ArchedThunder]

Man, it's weird as shit that the two God movies helped revive Dragon Ball and now they are just going to get rid of them, especially since they were building up plot points.

I don't understand that thought. The movies never meant anything for the tv series' continuity and yet it's not like they don't exist or were erased - games and other merchandising never stopped acknowledging them. If Toriyama had no involvement with BoG and RoF no one would see them differently from the previous movies. Besides, the plot points they introduced will more than likely be expanded now, in a more friendly format.

I see Dragon Ball as three disctinct timelines: manga/tv anime/movies and ova. The first two are canon inside their own separate universes, while the third item are just extras that eventually follow their own timeline too.
I believe that's how Toei and Shueisha work too, and that's how most long running franchises do it, anyway. Trying to fit everything into one big continuity is just a pointless headache, and a tv show can't assume viewers are familiar with manga/novels/movies or other sources, they need to stick to their world. I'm positive at this point that Super will ignore anything not seen on tv before.

The point of BoG was that it was supposed to be a continuation of the series, it expanded the world of Dragon Ball and it marked the return of Akira Toriyama to the franchise. BoG was a big hit and renewed interest in the series, I don't see how you can't understand how I think it's weird that they aren't just going to move forward with the plot they were setting up with the movies and instead ignore the movies and cherry-pick from them.
And to get people up to date they could have easily just showed BoG on TV again...
And as for videogames RF might continue to show up in those because all that really matters in that is the fights with Freeza, but BoG is likely to be completely ignored since as far as the content the games are concerned with(the fights) BoG will just be a simpler and redundant version of Super's first arc.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Sure, ignore that it was an entire movie. My point is that the actual movies themselves, the things that helped revive the franchise, are looking like they are going to be ignored with some things cherry-picked from them.

Except they are not ignoring them, they are expanding them (or at least BoG). They are not saying fuck everything here like they do with GT. There will probably be a time-skip to the year BoG took place either way, and we will probably see what we saw in BoG, though differently I suppose, since it's impossible to have a Super Saiyan God 6 months after Boo arc.

[shinmaru]

Except for the actual movies that helped revive the series...

They are not erasing them, they are just expanding them.

Uh, nothing is confirmed yet. The retelling thing is speculation.

[sintzu]

I think it's weird that they aren't just going to move forward with the plot they were setting up with the movies and instead ignore the movies and cherry-pick from them.

Not to me cause they can do a lot more with the stories due to them not being rushed for time.

They can give us the team battle against Beerus Toriyama mentioned.

They can show Freeza's training and possible trainer.

They can give each Z fighter a main Freeza henchman to fight instead of the 1000 useless ones in the movie.

Vegeta can and probably will have a much longer fight with Freeza.

[GokuRules987]

Gohan was 11 when he faced Cell + 7 years time skip... 18 years old. Videl should be the same.

Thats too high, Gohan actual age from the raditz saga was 3 years old which Toriyama stated when he drew Gohan lifting 3 fingers. Some editors and publishers did censor his age though to be a couple years higher though.

Gohan during Nappa and Frieza battle would be only 4

Gohan during Namek battle is 4.3

Gohan during Yardrat Goku arrival 5.3

Gohan during Android saga was 8.3

Gohan during hyperbolic time chamber would be 9.3 years old

7 years time skip
Gohan age is 16.3

[sintzu]

There will probably be a time-skip to the year BoG took place.

BOG's events will probably take place after 6 months instead of 4 years.

[ZombieVito]

I think it's weird that they aren't just going to move forward with the plot they were setting up with the movies and instead ignore the movies and cherry-pick from them.

Not to me cause they can do a lot more with the stories due to them not being rushed for time.

They can give us the team battle against Beerus Toriyama mentioned.

They can show Freeza's training and possible trainer.

They can give each Z fighter a main Freeza henchman to fight instead of the 1000 useless ones in the movie.

Vegeta can and probably will have a much longer fight with Freeza.

This is what I want.

I did like the movies but I will discard them in an instance for all of that.

[Chuquita]

I do want to see that team battle against Beerus. I hope we get it this time around.

[sangofe]

You're basing this on nearly zero information. For all we know there might be a timeskip within the next few episodes, or this might be a parallel universe, or this is a fudged up time line that Trunks will have to fix, etc. This baseless speculation about Toei dumping the last two films is absurd.

Nobody knows! They haven't said they're using the story from the movies, either...

[ArchedThunder]

Sure, ignore that it was an entire movie. My point is that the actual movies themselves, the things that helped revive the franchise, are looking like they are going to be ignored with some things cherry-picked from them.

Except they are not ignoring them, they are expanding them (or at least BoG). They are not saying fuck everything here like they do with GT. There will probably be a time-skip to the year BoG took place either way, and we will probably see what we saw in BoG, though differently I suppose, since it's impossible to have a Super Saiyan God 6 months after Boo arc.

Everything points to them just completely overwriting BoG with a similar story. The 6 months after Buu thing was really the final piece of the puzzle to me, Beerus and Champa are probably going to crash Gohan's wedding and then the fighting starts.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Gohan is already married.

[soulnova]

Gohan was 11 when he faced Cell + 7 years time skip... 18 years old. Videl should be the same.

Thats too high, Gohan actual age from the raditz saga was 3 years old which Toriyama stated when he drew Gohan lifting 3 fingers. Some editors and publishers did censor his age though to be a couple years higher though.

Gohan during Nappa and Freeza battle would be only 4

Gohan during Namek battle is 4.3

Gohan during Yardrat Goku arrival 5.3

Gohan during Android saga was 8.3

Gohan during hyperbolic time chamber would be 9.3 years old

7 years time skip
Gohan age is 16.3

Gohan was born on May, AGE 757.
The Majin Buu saga was on May, AGE 774. +1 year on the ROSAT = 18 years.

You can check the dates to confirm. I'm not making them up.

[ArchedThunder]

Gohan is already married.

"Newly married Gohan and Videl are living peaceful days, but...!?

Goten and Trunks, what did they choose as a wedding present!?

Goten wants to give a wedding present to Gohan, and Trunks gives him advice! What item did those two choose!?"

These two things conflict with each other, unless Goten's present is a late one.

[dbgtFO]

Gohan is already married.

It's not impossible, they could hold a big party a while after they got married, if for example their formal marriage was just them signing a paper in the City Hall or whatever.

Gohan was born on May, AGE 757.
The Majin Buu saga was on May, AGE 774. +1 year on the ROSAT = 18 years.

You can check the dates to confirm. I'm not making them up.

The important thing is what the admittedly contradictory manga states and with which facts the series is being written.
For some reason Gohan is 16 years old in the Buu arc, even though like you say he should be nearing 18.

[Big Momma]

These two things conflict with each other, unless Goten's present is a late one.

That's most likely what's going on here.

That, or we'll end up seeing the wedding within the first few episodes...which would be awesome.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Gohan was born on May, AGE 757.
The Majin Buu saga was on May, AGE 774. +1 year on the ROSAT = 18 years.

You can check the dates to confirm. I'm not making them up.

The important thing is what the admittedly contradictory manga states and with which facts the series is being written.
For some reason Gohan is 16 years old in the Buu arc, even though like you say he should be nearing 18.

He is 16 when it starts because it's not a literal 7 year timeskip. The Cell Game was held in late May and the Buu Arc starts in April. The (almost a) year in the RoSaT isn't officially counted towards his age, but yes, he would be nearing 18 physically by that point.

[dbzfan7]

Gohan will probably be only a Super Saiyan, and I'm going to laugh.