"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Theophrastus]

From Viz's release of Chapter 2 that came out today:



...I know that typesetting has always been a bit of a weak spot for Viz, but this is kind of embarrassing. Really hope they fix these kind of errors whenever they release the volume.

[Ajay]

I imagine they will. Seems like someone accidentally moved a layer.

[sintzu]

I'm not sure this has been mentioned here but Viz announced that they'll release the 1st volume in print form next spring.

[B]

As long as they keep putting it out digitally, I'm good with that. They're probably gonna redraw all the SFX.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Kinda surprised we're actually getting the manga here. While I'm a little more nonplussed by this version in comparison to the anime, I'm still pretty psyched and can't wait to start picking up volumes. Glad I finally picked up all the rest of the original a while back.

I wonder what the chances are of them grabbing the three chapters of Toyotaro's Resurrection 'F' manga and throwing them into the appropriate volume? Probably pretty low, and even then it'd still be incomplete, but I can dream.

[Xeztin]

I wonder when the Super anime will air it's first episode, later this year? or next year? (If it get's announced)

[White Oni]

Given the most recent chapter, is the following the best assumption we have atm?
Weakest to strongest

Base
Ssj
Ssj 2
Ssj 3
Base (with God Ki)
Ssj (attempting to use God Ki but failing to contain it.[we saw this in BoG)
SsjG
Ssj Blue.

[Grimlock]

Given the most recent chapter, is the following the best assumption we have atm?
Weakest to strongest

Base
Ssj
Ssj 2
Ssj 3
Base (with God Ki)
Ssj (attempting to use God Ki but failing to contain it.[we saw this in BoG)
SsjG
Ssj Blue.

It's not just this chapter, everything points it to be that way. Also, "base with God ki" is called Saiyan beyond God and the regular Super Saiyan (of nowadays) is just the Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God off.

[LightBing]

There's no two bases in the manga. If your point is that Base Goku was able to survive Hit, the assassin is holding back. Both Goku and Hit say that "the real fight will start now", the moment Goku goes SSJ.

Further proof: Undigested Food Goku is equal to Weight-Suit Goku, said so by Champa. It's fairly logical that Goku while training, was giving his best. Since him at this capability was taking hits from Botamo, he's pretty weak and nowhere near "God Tier".

If SSJ2 and SSJ3 are still usable forms in the manga remains to be seen. With this said the natural progression of Goku should be as follows:
Base
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan God
Super Saiyan Blue

[ekrolo2]

*crosses fingers* Please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3,...

[LightBing]

*crosses fingers* Please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3,...

It's like someone said in this thread before, it looks like something Toei would do. Another callback cough, unimaginative repeated scene, cough from Dragon Ball. In this case, the famous finger and sword fight.

It's more likely it won't appear. I hope...

[ekrolo2]

*crosses fingers* Please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3,...

It's like someone said in this thread before, it looks like something Toei would do. Another callback cough, unimaginative repeated scene, cough from Dragon Ball. In this case, the famous finger and sword fight.

It's more likely it won't appear. I hope...

True, though Toyotaro does like his own callbacks of his own. Admittedly, almost all of those are just poses from before, the only real power one he's done is bring back God.

[LightBing]

*crosses fingers* Please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3 Toyotaro, please don't use SS2/3,...

It's like someone said in this thread before, it looks like something Toei would do. Another callback cough, unimaginative repeated scene, cough from Dragon Ball. In this case, the famous finger and sword fight.

It's more likely it won't appear. I hope...

True, though Toyotaro does like his own callbacks of his own. Admittedly, almost all of those are just poses from before, the only real power one he's done is bring back God.

I don't consider God a callback, it's way too recent. Just a surprise. While Toyotarõ does have some callbacks, it's in a much smaller number than the anime and, for the most part, tastefully done and short.
The only really bad one that comes to mind, was Frost copying Freeza's poses. It literally made me cringe.
While Vegeta using the same attack against Cabba, as the one used to kill Nappa is a nice way to showcase the character development, with perfect timing.

Toei generally is something like, "remember when Piccolo sacrificed himself for Gohan, let's do it again"; "remember how cool Vegeta was using the Galick Gun and the Final Flash, again!". To the point one starts to wonder if they don't have imagination, or they think we're just jacking off to the nostalgia.
I'm being kinda harsh but they really abuse it.

[White Oni]

There's no two bases in the manga. If your point is that Base Goku was able to survive Hit, the assassin is holding back. Both Goku and Hit say that "the real fight will start now", the moment Goku goes SSJ.

Further proof: Undigested Food Goku is equal to Weight-Suit Goku, said so by Champa. It's fairly logical that Goku while training, was giving his best. Since him at this capability was taking hits from Botamo, he's pretty weak and nowhere near "God Tier".

If SSJ2 and SSJ3 are still usable forms in the manga remains to be seen. With this said the natural progression of Goku should be as follows:
Base
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan God
Super Saiyan Blue

What proof do you have that there aren't?

I'm operating under the assumption that the manga follows BoG, which clearly has base goku using God Ki...

[ekrolo2]

There's no two bases in the manga. If your point is that Base Goku was able to survive Hit, the assassin is holding back. Both Goku and Hit say that "the real fight will start now", the moment Goku goes SSJ.

Further proof: Undigested Food Goku is equal to Weight-Suit Goku, said so by Champa. It's fairly logical that Goku while training, was giving his best. Since him at this capability was taking hits from Botamo, he's pretty weak and nowhere near "God Tier".

If SSJ2 and SSJ3 are still usable forms in the manga remains to be seen. With this said the natural progression of Goku should be as follows:
Base
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan God
Super Saiyan Blue

What proof do you have that there aren't?

I'm operating under the assumption that the manga follows BoG, which clearly has base goku using God Ki...

Which BoG? The movie? Doubtful, the manga has its own BoG where Goku only ever fights Beerus in his God form, the second he falls out of it the fights over and no mention is ever made about him absorbing God Ki into his base form to make it stronger. If anything, it seems he can only use God Ki with SSG or Blooper.

[White Oni]

There's no two bases in the manga. If your point is that Base Goku was able to survive Hit, the assassin is holding back. Both Goku and Hit say that "the real fight will start now", the moment Goku goes SSJ.

Further proof: Undigested Food Goku is equal to Weight-Suit Goku, said so by Champa. It's fairly logical that Goku while training, was giving his best. Since him at this capability was taking hits from Botamo, he's pretty weak and nowhere near "God Tier".

If SSJ2 and SSJ3 are still usable forms in the manga remains to be seen. With this said the natural progression of Goku should be as follows:
Base
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan God
Super Saiyan Blue

What proof do you have that there aren't?

I'm operating under the assumption that the manga follows BoG, which clearly has base goku using God Ki...

Which BoG? The movie? Doubtful, the manga has its own BoG where Goku only ever fights Beerus in his God form, the second he falls out of it the fights over and no mention is ever made about him absorbing God Ki into his base form to make it stronger. If anything, it seems he can only use God Ki with SSG or Blooper.

Doubtful?

So is it based after super, in which, base goku with God Ki is an irrefutable fact?

If the manga is based on either super or BoG, you have to insist on God Ki bases...

[ekrolo2]

Doubtful?

So is it based after super, in which, base goku with God Ki is an irrefutable fact?

If the manga is based on either super or BoG, you have to insist on God Ki bases...

It might be based on it but that hasn't stopped it making clear differences from both the films and the anime in the same way the animes taken liberties with the movies material.

Don't assume one thing counts for the manga just because its in the anime or the movies. They're different things that operate on different rules, I would think people would get that when each one had its own version of BoG that cannot exist with one another.

[Swifticuffs]

I know you guys are probably gonna wail on me for this, but didn't Toriyama (I know I know, put away the flogs) say SSJ2 and SSJ3 were done for due to "stress" and won't be used? I can kinda see why we see them in the anime, what with trunks displaying it. So it doesn't mean they're unusable per se, but that they'd never rely on them for big/important fights.

I dunno, Toriyama drives me nuts... why did he say that if he doesn't mean it?

[Luso Saiyan]

I know you guys are probably gonna wail on me for this, but didn't Toriyama (I know I know, put away the flogs) say SSJ2 and SSJ3 were done for due to "stress" and won't be used? I can kinda see why we see them in the anime, what with trunks displaying it. So it doesn't mean they're unusable per se, but that they'd never rely on them for big/important fights.

What he said was: "Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

And the anime is following that logic. They were just used for display/testing someone. Not as a solution.

[Swifticuffs]

I know you guys are probably gonna wail on me for this, but didn't Toriyama (I know I know, put away the flogs) say SSJ2 and SSJ3 were done for due to "stress" and won't be used? I can kinda see why we see them in the anime, what with trunks displaying it. So it doesn't mean they're unusable per se, but that they'd never rely on them for big/important fights.

What he said was: "Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

And the anime is following that logic. They were just used for display/testing someone. Not as a solution.

Totally makes sense. Many thanks brother.