Chronoa: The Time Kaioushin from 75 million years ago. In this era, she was a Kaiou called Chronoa. She's trying to solve the disasters ocurring in the Heavenly Realm.
Demigra: A wizard that once was in the Heavenly Realm. He's plotting with two other wizards.
Gravy: A wizard that once was in the Heavenly Realm. A user of strong thunder black magic, he takes part in Demigra's plan.
Putine: A wizard that once was in the Heavenly Realm. A user of strong ice black magic, she takes part in Demigra's plan.
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Is it just me, or are their designs really uninspired? They just look bland overall.
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Eh? They look fine. They're simple, which is nice. I'm not a fan of more flashy things like Demigra's Demon God incarnation. So I'm glad they didn't go that path.
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I didn't like the monster form, but I quite enjoyed the "normal" one in which he kinda looks like Kefka from Final Fantasy 6. I'm okay with simple, not so much with over simplistic.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Eh? They look fine. They're simple, which is nice. I'm not a fan of more flashy things like Demigra's Demon God incarnation. So I'm glad they didn't go that path.
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It's okay if you don't like them. I'm not trying to say you can't, I didn't really like either form of Demigra prior to this. I just don't think these guys are all over simplistic though, so I don't really think it's that good of a reason. I mean, their faces are mostly pretty standard Toriyama elements, they've got multiple layers to their robes, the robes themselves have embroidery stuff going on, multiple colors, etc.
Maybe you find them bland more for color choices leaning towards darker shades? I dunno. They're not that different than the 4 Kaio from the series...did you dislike the Kaio designs?
Maybe you find them bland more for color choices leaning towards darker shades? I dunno. They're not that different than the 4 Kaio from the series...did you dislike the Kaio designs?
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Yeah, I think it's mostly their faces that seem bland. The Kaios? Yeah wasn't really a fan, other than North and Dai Kaio.
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She was a Kaio? Can a god be promoted?alakazam^ wrote:Chronoa: The Time Kaioushin from 75 million years ago. In this era, she was a Kaiou called Chronoa. She's trying to solve the disasters ocurring in the Heavenly Realm.
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Apparently they can but I would keep this separated from Toriyama's lore since he has described things in various ways.Grimlock wrote:She was a Kaio? Can a god be promoted?alakazam^ wrote:Chronoa: The Time Kaioushin from 75 million years ago. In this era, she was a Kaiou called Chronoa. She's trying to solve the disasters ocurring in the Heavenly Realm.
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Indeed, but that's really interesting. I'd like to know more about how this promotion works if ever Heroes bother to explain.
Anyway, I found a video with everyone doing their techniques and we even got a Team Attack, they adapted the Beerus vs Champa fight seen in Dragon Ball Super manga. That was awesome!
Anyway, I found a video with everyone doing their techniques and we even got a Team Attack, they adapted the Beerus vs Champa fight seen in Dragon Ball Super manga. That was awesome!
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To speculate, Toriyama originally said (and later quasi contradicted) that Kaio are born from regular Kaiju fruit on the Planet Kaioshin, while Kaioshin are only born from special golden fruit. I wouldn't be surprised if Kaio can't be promoted to Kaioshin, but the Time Kaioshin is a special position outside the regular Kaio and Kaioshin hierarchy though.
If we include Xenoverse lore here (because we don't have much else to go by), she was granted her position as Time Kaioshin for finding and raising Toki Toki (and probably keeping him out of Demigra's hands in their first scuffle). I imagine this was a special exception.
If we include Xenoverse lore here (because we don't have much else to go by), she was granted her position as Time Kaioshin for finding and raising Toki Toki (and probably keeping him out of Demigra's hands in their first scuffle). I imagine this was a special exception.
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How did he contradict this?TheDevilsCorpse wrote:To speculate, Toriyama originally said (and later quasi contradicted) that Kaio are born from regular Kaiju fruit on the Planet Kaioshin, while Kaioshin are only born from special golden fruit. I wouldn't be surprised if Kaio can't be promoted to Kaioshin, but the Time Kaioshin is a special position outside the regular Kaio and Kaioshin hierarchy though.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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This potential mess.
The Kaiōshin are said to have the highest status in the universe, but how can you become a Kaiōshin?
No one can. Kaiōshin are born as Kaiōshin. There are three of them, and they work in shifts. Though there are two of them on duty now, if one of the Kaiōshin were to die in an accident, then the currently-inactive Kaiōshin would grow in the Kaiōshin Realm like a plant. If there aren’t any accidents, then it’s said their lifespans are about 75,000 years.
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So, we have a debate in the Super Power Level Discussion Thread, and there is a question. I recall that SbG gives Goku a smaller boost than SSG, but is SbG Goku stronger than SSG Goku in the game?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I don't think there's really any point in answering that. It's dependent on arbitrary game stats. You can have Saibaimen cards that are stronger than Freeza cards, and Super Saiyans who are stronger than their respective Super Saiyan 4 states.
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I know, some are just interested to see if the statement holds true (in-game) to the description that Goku is a Saiyan that has surpassed God.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I don't think there's really any point in answering that. It's dependent on arbitrary game stats. You can have Saibaimen cards that are stronger than Freeza cards, and Super Saiyans who are stronger than their respective Super Saiyan 4 states.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That's my point though. With stats being arbitrary, and there being SSG cards stronger and weaker than SSGSS. There's no consistency. Whether SbG is stronger or not, what weight would it hold for anything?
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Well, read mine & Hugo Boss' posts in that page.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:That's my point though. With stats being arbitrary, and there being SSG cards stronger and weaker than SSGSS. There's no consistency. Whether SbG is stronger or not, what weight would it hold for anything?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I got it beforehand, but I still find it utterly pointless. Anyway, this conversation was mostly a stall while I did the research. Not that it should be worth anything, but here you go:
The two Goku cards that once had access to Saiyan Beyond God end up with a power of 9100 and 11000 when the boost is applied. From what I browsed through:
The weakest SSG Goku base card has a power of 5800.
The strongest SSG Goku transformation card has a power of 12100.
The weakest SSGSS Goku base card has a power of 6500.
The strongest SSGSS Goku transformation card has a power of 14000.
The two Goku cards that once had access to Saiyan Beyond God end up with a power of 9100 and 11000 when the boost is applied. From what I browsed through:
The weakest SSG Goku base card has a power of 5800.
The strongest SSG Goku transformation card has a power of 12100.
The weakest SSGSS Goku base card has a power of 6500.
The strongest SSGSS Goku transformation card has a power of 14000.
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Thanks a lot.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I got it beforehand, but I still find it utterly pointless. Anyway, this conversation was mostly a stall while I did the research. Not that it should be worth anything, but here you go:
The two Goku cards that once had access to Saiyan Beyond God end up with a power of 9100 and 11000 when the boost is applied. From what I browsed through:
The weakest SSG Goku base card has a power of 5800.
The strongest SSG Goku transformation card has a power of 12100.
The weakest SSGSS Goku base card has a power of 6500.
The strongest SSGSS Goku transformation card has a power of 14000.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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So, guys... GDM7 has "plot"...
Not a lot of it that I can find (not everyone records before and after the battle), and I'm not sure how much of it makes sense (because some of the battles sure as hell don't), but it's there in pre and/or post battle dialogue for a handful of missions. The last one with Demon God Demigra also has a cutscene immediately after he's defeated in-game. Hopefully alakazam^ can translate them when he has time.
Part1(Pre): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWA1IU4mhwc
Part 2 (Pre & Post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU9RflfTEOE
Part 3 (Pre & Post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8EAUt-LGSg
Part 4 (Pre, Defeat, & Post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BdrMBhgzHQ / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCg45w2w5h4 (alt incase his defeat speech can't be heard)
Also, more techniques:
--Frost's true form's Super is the Chaos Ball. It's basically his version of the Death Ball.
--Demon God Demigra's Super is the "Seasoning Arrow". It's the move from Xenoverse's cutscene in the Time Vault where he clones his staff and fires them at Goku and the Player.
--Still nothing on Vados...
Not a lot of it that I can find (not everyone records before and after the battle), and I'm not sure how much of it makes sense (because some of the battles sure as hell don't), but it's there in pre and/or post battle dialogue for a handful of missions. The last one with Demon God Demigra also has a cutscene immediately after he's defeated in-game. Hopefully alakazam^ can translate them when he has time.
Part1(Pre): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWA1IU4mhwc
Part 2 (Pre & Post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU9RflfTEOE
Part 3 (Pre & Post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8EAUt-LGSg
Part 4 (Pre, Defeat, & Post): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BdrMBhgzHQ / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCg45w2w5h4 (alt incase his defeat speech can't be heard)
Also, more techniques:
--Frost's true form's Super is the Chaos Ball. It's basically his version of the Death Ball.
--Demon God Demigra's Super is the "Seasoning Arrow". It's the move from Xenoverse's cutscene in the Time Vault where he clones his staff and fires them at Goku and the Player.
--Still nothing on Vados...