Mercenary wrote:My bet is - Jiren will lose to Goku & Vegeta tag team.
A big plot twist would be Toppo being the strongest of u11 all along.
Didn't the better Toppo aka manga one outright say Jiren was stonger than him?
That would eliminate any such revelation scenarios..
As for the ending, before this ,there was speculation of Gohan and Goku being the last two members Because of him and Gohan being together in the ending..
Now it's Vegeta and Goku and the tournament isn't even over yet, for all we know it's kept there because Vegeta and Goku are going to try to take on Jiren together like they did against kid buu, with the roles staying the same as they were before, Vegeta holding jiren off with his powerup beyond blue and Goku trying to perfect Ulta instinct by meditation or something..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Mercenary wrote:My bet is - Jiren will lose to Goku & Vegeta tag team.
A big plot twist would be Toppo being the strongest of u11 all along.
Didn't the better Toppo aka manga one outright say Jiren was stonger than him?
That would eliminate any such revelation scenarios..
As for the ending, before this ,there was speculation of Gohan and Goku being the last two members Because of him and Gohan being together in the ending..
Now it's Vegeta and Goku and the tournament isn't even over yet, for all we know it's kept there because Vegeta and Goku are going to try to take on Jiren together like they did against kid buu, with the roles staying the same as they were before, Vegeta holding jiren off with his powerup beyond blue and Goku trying to perfect Ulta instinct by meditation or something..
Just curious. Besides being show more powerful, how is manga Toppo better?? He is just another Generic, Thanks for the good fight i respect you now Goku!! Character, without much else going for him.
TCH wrote:
Just curious. Besides being show more powerful, how is manga Toppo better?? He is just another Generic, Thanks for the good fight i respect you now Goku!! Character, without much else going for him.
Not screaming Justice as many times makes him a Ok in my book, and like you said he defeated Goku in a really cool way, Goku never saw it coming, he actually feels like a god of destruction candidate, in the anime Toppo seems strong that's fine but the feeling of him being a god candidate isn't there..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
TCH wrote:
Just curious. Besides being show more powerful, how is manga Toppo better?? He is just another Generic, Thanks for the good fight i respect you now Goku!! Character, without much else going for him.
Not screaming Justice as many times makes him a Ok in my book, and like you said he defeated Goku in a really cool way, Goku never saw it coming, he actually feels like a god of destruction candidate, in the anime Toppo seems strong that's fine but the feeling of him being a god candidate isn't there..
Him being so over the top Justice loving added some personality atleast, in the manga he has none, him being respectful and kind to Goku also completely goes against the idea of Toppo and the others seeing Goku as a bad guy/Wreckless Fool, which is such an interresting Dynamic for once, to have Legit good guys see Goku as a wreckless Danger.
I agree he's not felt like a God Candidate yet, but i think that can still be the case in next few episodes.
What if Frieza's 'big moment' is becoming the final boss of the arc? So far he's done nothing really noteworthy and I feel like they've had hi, throw out his bait a few too many times not to have someone bite. Toppo, Jiren, Dyspo and Khai wouldn't but Belmod has been shown as somewhat scummier than any of them so if he needed to save his I feel like he would.
Throwing out a purely hypothetical: Frieza offers his line to Dyspo who refuses. Business goes on as usual, and as it looks like U11 is about to lose, Belmod contacts Frieza telepathically and cuts some kind of deal that's to Frieza's liking. U11's last fighter is knocked out, but as the Grand Priest is about to announce their erasure, Frieza declares his defection to U11 and takes out all but one of U7's remaining fighters. It's then down to that one fighter to take down a Frieza that's near full power to save all of Universe 7. If that played out I'd guess the last U7 fighter would be Gohan, partly because he'd be the desperate underdog compared to Frieza and partly as redemption for Resurrection F, 108 and for helping Frieza in whatever capacity in 124.
I'd wager Frieza doesn't really expect Goku to wish him back and would jump at the chance to get rid of him when the path to victory was cleared. Threatening the entire universe would be a big step up for Frieza.
TCH wrote:
Him being so over the top Justice loving added some personality atleast, in the manga he has none, him being respectful and kind to Goku also completely goes against the idea of Toppo and the others seeing Goku as a bad guy/Wreckless Fool, which is such an interresting Dynamic for once, to have Legit good guys see Goku as a wreckless Danger.
The anime Toppo straight up stopped his justice and said enough playing around ( or something like that ) he really isn't that over the top right now and goku being the "bad" guy idea was basically dropped and never picked back up..
Both his initial Justice screams and Goku being an antagonist to his justice team contributed nothing at the end, the plot would have progressed just fine without it, like we see it happening in the Manga..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
BlueBasilisk wrote:What if Frieza's 'big moment' is becoming the final boss of the arc?
There aren't many episodes left before the arc ends for something that big to happen. Toppo and Vegeta are getting massive power ups in 125&126 so at the very earliest they'll be out in 127 while Goku and Jiren will probably fight till 129. The arc will end in March in 132 or 133 so it'll be very rushed if they have another villain take center stage, deal with him then finally close the arc off.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
If Dyspo and Toppo manages to eliminate Freeza, Gohan and 17 as Jiren could probably eliminate Vegeta, leaving Goku alone to fight all three... Man that would be worse than the Three Of Might
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
I believe that Freeza will not face Toppo now for two reasons
First, he wants to save energy until the end of the tournament and also wants Goku to get even stronger to defeat Jiren. So, somehow, apparently he intends to overthrow Goku in order to stay with the SDB. Fighting Toppo would take Frieza to the limit
After the 125 title, it is very likely that Toppo's level is far superior to SSB, and since Freeza has not yet shown anything new, I do not think he would be able to defeat him. Only Goku with the UI or Vegeta with his new power (that perhaps appears in the 126)
Honestly I'm quite tired of this all Goku & Vegeta spotlight, so I hope Gohan gets fast a new transformation soon that could make him the strongest of Universe 7 once again.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:Honestly I'm quite tired of this all Goku & Vegeta spotlight, so I hope Gohan gets fast a new transformation soon that could make him the strongest of Universe 7 once again.
A guy who doenst even bother training shouldnt be on this level. They should push Piccolo instead of Gohan. Ill be comfortable with Piccolo being a main guy again.
Professor Freeza wrote:A guy who doenst even bother training shouldnt be on this level. They should push Piccolo instead of Gohan. Ill be comfortable with Piccolo being a main guy again.
Nah it would pretty much forced to Piccolo be God Level, Gohan we all know he has the build for out of nowhere power-ups, so he fits better on this place.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:Nah it would pretty much forced to Piccolo be God Level, Gohan we all know he has the build for out of nowhere power-ups, so he fits better on this place.
Which actually makes him worse than Piccolo, because while Gohan gets stuff out of nowhere, Piccolo can get something/the red-eyed form out of that book of the Namekuseijins.
BlueBasilisk wrote:What if Frieza's 'big moment' is becoming the final boss of the arc?
There aren't many episodes left before the arc ends for something that big to happen. Toppo and Vegeta are getting massive power ups in 125&126 so at the very earliest they'll be out in 127 while Goku and Jiren will probably fight till 129. The arc will end in March in 132 or 133 so it'll be very rushed if they have another villain take center stage, deal with him then finally close the arc off.
Nothing says Vegeta is getting a massive power up in 126.
What if episode 126 means Vegeta will use the Gamma Burst Flash? Final Flash sent Jiren to the ground, while not doing any dmg, Gamma Burst Flash was an even stronger attack and besides it was the best manga in the DBS manga.
BlueBasilisk wrote:What if Frieza's 'big moment' is becoming the final boss of the arc?
There aren't many episodes left before the arc ends for something that big to happen. Toppo and Vegeta are getting massive power ups in 125&126 so at the very earliest they'll be out in 127 while Goku and Jiren will probably fight till 129. The arc will end in March in 132 or 133 so it'll be very rushed if they have another villain take center stage, deal with him then finally close the arc off.
Not really. Frieza's an established villain already been set up as a conniving, backstabbing scumbag with an agenda ever since his recruitment episodes so it wouldn't be coming out of nowhere and if it happened it'd be the last minute or two of the tournament so it'd only take 1-2 episodes to deal with. He's been slow-burning for nearly 30 episodes. The latest the fighting could last is 130 with 8 minutes left but I really don't think Goku and Jiren are going to fight for 9 episodes straight.
Frieza can't enact much of an agenda if he stays U7 because he's dependent on Goku bringing him back to life.
BlueBasilisk wrote:Frieza can't enact much of an agenda if he stays U7 because he's dependent on Goku bringing him back to life.
Goku is the only one stupid enough to bring him back cause there's no way u11 will.
I actually don't think Goku is that stupid. He knows full well the Earth's Dragon Balls can only bring a person back to life once. That's why he was so furious when Frieza killed Krillin on Namek. But he kept quiet about that when Frieza said the Earth's DBs would do and he's certainly not above lying to or tricking people as we've seen a few times this arc.
The only way I see Goku honoring that agreement is if Frieza is wholly loyal and helpful until the very end or if he somehow does something good and saves the day.
Even if he did strike a deal with Belmod like I suggested I don't think that deal would actually be honored. Once the tournament ends, Frieza really has no leverage except for gratitude for his help. He might run afoul of the old 'you have outlived your usefulnes' trope himself.
