"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kenneth La Torre]

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That so looks fan made..
Funny thing is it's not..

Gohan has been really good this arc, this is probably his last stand here, taking dyspo down with him.. not bad for a guy who's last notable battle was being one shotted by first form freeza..

???, gohans last notable battle was being one shotted by first form freeza? what?

[Ki Breaker]

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That so looks fan made..
Funny thing is it's not..

Gohan has been really good this arc, this is probably his last stand here, taking dyspo down with him.. not bad for a guy who's last notable battle was being one shotted by first form freeza..

???, gohans last notable battle was being one shotted by first form freeza? what?

Like I said, besides this arc..

Gohan has really shined in every battle he has been in this arc, without fail..

[IndieBooToo]

My guess is, Dyspo gets eliminated with the help of Gohan, then Toppo becomes very angry and goes full power. After that I assume Vegeta takes on Toppo, since he is to much for 17, Gohan and Freeza. Or Toppo eliminates all 3.

Frieza is as strong or likely stronger than Vegeta so if he can't take full power Toppo neither can Vegeta.

[buutenks]

My guess is, Dyspo gets eliminated with the help of Gohan, then Toppo becomes very angry and goes full power. After that I assume Vegeta takes on Toppo, since he is to much for 17, Gohan and Freeza. Or Toppo eliminates all 3.

Frieza is as strong or likely stronger than Vegeta so if he can't take full power Toppo neither can Vegeta.

I guess u havent seen the NEP preview or read the spoilers?

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm going to laugh if Vegeta "surpassing SSBlue" is some Rage Trunks type thing that is never acknowledged or brought up again.

[BlueBasilisk]

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Then Dyspo bites his arm and gets away. Gohan gets blasted out of the ring with nothing gained.

[Whatever]

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Then Dyspo bites his arm and gets away. Gohan gets blasted out of the ring with nothing gained.

Thats not true,Freeza will gain an elimination point in this case.

[Mercenary]

My guess is, Dyspo gets eliminated with the help of Gohan, then Toppo becomes very angry and goes full power. After that I assume Vegeta takes on Toppo, since he is to much for 17, Gohan and Freeza. Or Toppo eliminates all 3.

Frieza is as strong or likely stronger than Vegeta so if he can't take full power Toppo neither can Vegeta.

There are still people who actually think that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta ?

[HeroR]

My guess is, Dyspo gets eliminated with the help of Gohan, then Toppo becomes very angry and goes full power. After that I assume Vegeta takes on Toppo, since he is to much for 17, Gohan and Freeza. Or Toppo eliminates all 3.

Frieza is as strong or likely stronger than Vegeta so if he can't take full power Toppo neither can Vegeta.

There are still people who actually think that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta ?

Before this coming episode, what proof do you have that Freeza wasn't stronger than Vegeta.

[sintzu]

There are still people who actually think that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta ?

I wouldn't take him seriously as he says Vegeta didn't do anything important in the last episode.

Before this coming episode, what proof do you have that Freeza wasn't stronger than Vegeta.

He was more or less equal to his golden form in RF and ever since he was training with Whis, nearly died against Black then Zamasu and got 5 years of training in the ROSAT (3 before champs's tournament, 1 before fighting black & 1 before the current tournament) while Freeza was just sitting in hell so why wouldn't he be stronger ? even before the power up he's getting, he was still able to see Jiren's attack without it so that alone would give him a huge edge against Freeza.

[TheSaiyanGod]

I'm going to laugh if Vegeta "surpassing SSBlue" is some Rage Trunks type thing that is never acknowledged or brought up again.

Well, we have a "small" difference between Vegeta's case and that of future Trunks.

Trunks was featured in just one saga, so of course we'll never see the Super Saiyan Rage again (unless Trunks appears in a new saga).

But Vegeta is one of the main characters in the series, and is always present in all sagas. Soon, we will surely see him use his "new form" several times. Many people thought that SSB KK would be forgotten after the Champa tournament, but what happened was the opposite

Frieza is as strong or likely stronger than Vegeta so if he can't take full power Toppo neither can Vegeta.

There are still people who actually think that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta ?

Before this coming episode, what proof do you have that Freeza wasn't stronger than Vegeta.

There is no reason for Freeza to be stronger than Vegeta. The emperor is at the same level as SSB Goku, and SSB Vegeta also has the same level of SSB Goku or even higher (considering EP 122)

[HeroR]

Well, we have a "small" difference between Vegeta's case and that of future Trunks.

Trunks was featured in just one saga, so of course we'll never see the Super Saiyan Rage again (unless Trunks appears in a new saga).

But Vegeta is one of the main characters in the series, and is always present in all sagas. Soon, we will surely see him use his "new form" several times. Many people thought that SSB KK would be forgotten after the Champa tournament, but what happened was the opposite

Before this coming episode, what proof do you have that Freeza wasn't stronger than Vegeta.

There is no reason for Freeza to be stronger than Vegeta. The emperor is at the same level as SSB Goku, and SSB Vegeta also has the same level of SSB Goku or even higher (considering EP 122)

So no proof other than 'Vegeta should be even with Goku'. And Vegeta noted in 122 that Jiren was faster and stronger when fighting Goku and it was never specific if he meant current or before with Blue Kaioken.

As for the Kaioken, only some thought that not 'many'. And most was of it was wishful thinking since they hated Goku being that much stronger.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Well, we have a "small" difference between Vegeta's case and that of future Trunks.

Trunks was featured in just one saga, so of course we'll never see the Super Saiyan Rage again (unless Trunks appears in a new saga).

But Vegeta is one of the main characters in the series, and is always present in all sagas. Soon, we will surely see him use his "new form" several times. Many people thought that SSB KK would be forgotten after the Champa tournament, but what happened was the opposite

Before this coming episode, what proof do you have that Freeza wasn't stronger than Vegeta.

There is no reason for Freeza to be stronger than Vegeta. The emperor is at the same level as SSB Goku, and SSB Vegeta also has the same level of SSB Goku or even higher (considering EP 122)

So no proof other than 'Vegeta should be even with Goku'. And Vegeta noted in 122 that Jiren was faster and stronger when fighting Goku and it was never specific if he meant current or before with Blue Kaioken.

As for the Kaioken, only some thought that not 'many'. And most was of it was wishful thinking since they hated Goku being that much stronger.

First, if Jiren was using even less power, how could only Vegeta be able to read his moves and hit him while Goku did not (in round 2)? Because Goku also saw Jiren attacking Vegeta and apparently, he was not able to see his blows.

And at the end of EP 122, Vegeta awakened a power that surprises even Vermoud and the other gods (remembering that Vermoud saw Goku's SSB KK x20 and was not surprised). Anyway, with this '' new power '' in EP 122, Vegeta would at least have surpassed SSB Goku and consequently, Freeza

[Noah]

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Thats just weird.

My interpretion is that Gohan is waiting for Freeza to land the finishing blow.

No! Enough of characters willing to sacrifice themselves for the team. My interpretion is that Gohan is choking Dyspo to death in a desperate move.

[HeroR]

First, if Jiren was using even less power, how could only Vegeta be able to read his moves and hit him while Goku did not (in round 2)? Because Goku also saw Jiren attacking Vegeta and apparently, he was not able to see his blows.

And at the end of EP 122, Vegeta awakened a power that surprises even Vermoud and the other gods (remembering that Vermoud saw Goku's SSB KK x20 and was not surprised). Anyway, with this '' new power '' in EP 122, Vegeta would at least have surpassed SSB Goku and consequently, Freeza

When did Goku have a chance to observed Vegeta's fight and fight himself in 122?

He didn't awakening anything. He got a boost because his pride was hurt. It's no different than a rage boost.

[TheSaiyanGod]

First, if Jiren was using even less power, how could only Vegeta be able to read his moves and hit him while Goku did not (in round 2)? Because Goku also saw Jiren attacking Vegeta and apparently, he was not able to see his blows.

And at the end of EP 122, Vegeta awakened a power that surprises even Vermoud and the other gods (remembering that Vermoud saw Goku's SSB KK x20 and was not surprised). Anyway, with this '' new power '' in EP 122, Vegeta would at least have surpassed SSB Goku and consequently, Freeza

When did Goku have a chance to observed Vegeta's fight and fight himself in 122?

He didn't awakening anything. He got a boost because his pride was hurt. It's no different than a rage boost.

Goku not only had the chance, as he saw with his own eyes Vegeta deflecting from Jiren's attacks (and was surprised).
Vegeta saw Jiren's attacks in the same way as Goku, watching Jiren attack his companion. The difference is that Goku could not read the movements of Jiren

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Well, Piccolo himself says that he awakened a dormant power within him ... a power that surprised even Vermoud. If it was just a boost rage, Piccolo would have said.

[Omniboy]

transformations ( or powerups ) in the manga come with solid reasoning behind it while the anime is up in the air with everything.

I wouldn't say "solid", as I still do not know where the power-up that Trunks has in the Super Saiyan 2 form comes from and what it is exactly. We have never seen it before. All we know is that throught it Trunks is on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku somehow.

We did see it with Vegeta didn't we. Also, somebody else posted this recently, but during is fight with Goku, Trunks did imply that he continued to improve super saiyan 2 because he never settled for the power that SSJ 2 had.

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[Grimlock]

As far as we can tell, no. Nothing stating Vegeta also has that power-up. Yeah, it would seem Trunks somehow "improved" his Super Saiyan 2 and pulled that power-up, but then, why didn't Goku, Gohan or Vegeta do that too? If Super Saiyan 2 can have that power-up and if one of them had used it in Majin Buu saga, we would not need Super Saiyan 3 (we really didn't need it) at all. Events would even have different outcomes.

[HeroR]

First, if Jiren was using even less power, how could only Vegeta be able to read his moves and hit him while Goku did not (in round 2)? Because Goku also saw Jiren attacking Vegeta and apparently, he was not able to see his blows.

And at the end of EP 122, Vegeta awakened a power that surprises even Vermoud and the other gods (remembering that Vermoud saw Goku's SSB KK x20 and was not surprised). Anyway, with this '' new power '' in EP 122, Vegeta would at least have surpassed SSB Goku and consequently, Freeza

When did Goku have a chance to observed Vegeta's fight and fight himself in 122?

He didn't awakening anything. He got a boost because his pride was hurt. It's no different than a rage boost.

Goku not only had the chance, as he saw with his own eyes Vegeta deflecting from Jiren's attacks (and was surprised).
Vegeta saw Jiren's attacks in the same way as Goku, watching Jiren attack his companion. The difference is that Goku could not read the movements of Jiren

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Well, Piccolo himself says that he awakened a dormant power within him ... a power that surprised even Vermoud. If it was just a boost rage, Piccolo would have said.

Goku never attacked Jiren again after Vegeta read his movements. So that’s kinda assumption that he can’t.

Piccolo said Vegeta powered up because his pride was hurt. Hence ‘pride boost’.

[ernesth100]

Piccolo said Vegeta powered up because his pride was hurt. Hence ‘pride boost’.

That's one thing about Vegeta that makes him a formidable opponent. The majority of his boosts come from raw willpower/emotion rather than training or even Zenkai. It helps differentiate him from Goku in that aspect. As most of Goku's boosts come from training and Zenkai. With the exception of the first SSJ transformation which came from emotion. Not sure what I'd count the trigger for UI as but I'd let it fall under Zenkai. It makes me realize that whatever pushes Vegeta into UI will either be a severe emotional trauma or simply him forcing himself into it such as he did with all his transformations thus far.