"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Whatever]

It's already happening with the Dyspo and Jiren fights so...

Teamwork only matters against opponents you can hurt,Toppo no sold Gohan's Kamehameha and he did not even block it like he did against ssjb Goku and to make matters worse Toppo is not even going all out.
And speaking of teamwork its not like Gohan has any usefull moves like the SBC anyways,so he is pretty much dead weight against Jirren or Toppo.

So Toppo is either going out by Goku or by the new form Vegeta will get since Gohan and 17 cannot even scratch him.

Y'all can keep fighting over Goku and Vegeta meanwhile this guy will get the job done
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Blue pushed Jiren back somewhat, combined with a good plan will result in Jiren tripping and falling off the stage, don't have to be stronger than them to waste them

You know what you are right,maybe Jirren will trip into one of Piccolo's arms that Gohan made him lose,all according to plan.

[Ki Breaker]

Y'all can keep fighting over Goku and Vegeta meanwhile this guy will get the job done
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Blue pushed Jiren back somewhat, combined with a good plan will result in Jiren tripping and falling off the stage, don't have to be stronger than them to waste them

[HeroR]

Alright. 17 had a better showing with SSB Goku than Gohan. Is 17 on blue level? Is he stronger than Ultimate Gohan since he had a better showing than Gohan?


Hilarious logic.

Yes he is, that was confirmed months ago. I would say yes, 17 is stronger, but the writers put them on equal footing.

I am using statements from the show and writers. While you are, quite frankly, are acting like a jerk because something doesn't fit your narrative.

The difference is that Goku SSB (said to be able to rival GoDs) could actually face or give a good fight to Beerus (even without using all his power).

However, Gohan can not even scratch Toppo with a Kamehameha, and Toppo did not even defend himself.
Toppo also seems to be playing with Gohan and 17 together (who are supposed to be Blue level).

It was said that Gohan's power rivaled that of Goku. But did the narrator specify? Did he say whether that referred to Goku SSB or Goku SSJ2 (which Gohan also rivaled)?
The narrator also erred in saying that Freeza was defeated by Goku in EP 95, being that the two tied.

Vegeta has to contribute to Jiren's downfall.


Any other scenario will be poor for Vegeta as a character.

Vegeta doesn't have to do anything. And I don't see how Vegeta getting beating up by Jiren 'reflects poorly on his character' given how strong Jiren is and how UI is overall presented.

Is not Vegeta supposed to do anything? He stayed the entire tournament by defeating Randons and had no great fights. Against Jiren, he was only defeated.

So yes, he deserves more. And I hope he defeats Toppo, the second strongest of his universe (especially after releasing his true power)

The same Berus that was severely holding back power to the point that he made it seemed Super Saiyan God Goku back in Battle of Gods had a chance? Even Beerus said that Goku was never a real threat to him.

Again, rival doesn't mean equal. So saying that Gohan rivals Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan doesn't mean he's equal to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. Yes, the narrator was specific and one of the writers back up the statement by putting Gohan over 17 who traded hands with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku while they were both holding back. And why would Gohan only rival Super Saiyan 2 Goku who he was seen at least equal to?

The narrator wasn't wrong since Freeza was defeated by Goku. It's just that Goku was also defeated too.

Vegeta doesn't 'deserve' anything. No fiction character does.

[Professor Freeza]

Rival or being on par does not mean equal. Just like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is said to 'rival the gods', yet we know it's much weaker than any God of Destruction. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan also has a huge power range so it's perfectly possible to be stronger than Super Saiyan God, but weaker than a full powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. And Goku was ready to used the Kaioken when Toppo started to get serious.

The difference is that Goku SSB (said to be able to rival GoDs) could actually face or give a good fight to Beerus (even without using all his power).

However, Gohan can not even scratch Toppo with a Kamehameha, and Toppo did not even defend himself.
Toppo also seems to be playing with Gohan and 17 together (who are supposed to be Blue level).

It was said that Gohan's power rivaled that of Goku. But did the narrator specify? Did he say whether that referred to Goku SSB or Goku SSJ2 (which Gohan also rivaled)?
The narrator also erred in saying that Freeza was defeated by Goku in EP 95, being that the two tied.

Vegeta doesn't have to do anything. And I don't see how Vegeta getting beating up by Jiren 'reflects poorly on his character' given how strong Jiren is and how UI is overall presented.

Is not Vegeta supposed to do anything? He stayed the entire tournament by defeating Randons and had no great fights. Against Jiren, he was only defeated.

So yes, he deserves more. And I hope he defeats Toppo, the second strongest of his universe (especially after releasing his true power)

He doesn't deserve anything lol. Vegeta fanboys are so entitled. I hope his "big move" ends up failing per usual and Toppo rings him out.

Irony just killed itself

[Professor Freeza]

Alright. 17 had a better showing with SSB Goku than Gohan. Is 17 on blue level? Is he stronger than Ultimate Gohan since he had a better showing than Gohan?


Hilarious logic.

Yes he is, that was confirmed months ago. I would say yes, 17 is stronger, but the writers put them on equal footing.

I am using statements from the show and writers. While you are, quite frankly, are acting like a jerk because something doesn't fit your narrative.

PRESENT them. Lets see

[HeroR]

Alright. 17 had a better showing with SSB Goku than Gohan. Is 17 on blue level? Is he stronger than Ultimate Gohan since he had a better showing than Gohan?


Hilarious logic.

Yes he is, that was confirmed months ago. I would say yes, 17 is stronger, but the writers put them on equal footing.

I am using statements from the show and writers. While you are, quite frankly, are acting like a jerk because something doesn't fit your narrative.

PRESENT them. Lets see

You can easily go and look at Toshi's twitter yourself and read the narration from 91.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle. I'm guessing thats what 126 is about.

[Ki Breaker]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle.

Certainly a battle not worth watching

[Mercenary]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle.

Certainly a battle not worth watching

Such a waste of Vegeta's potential....

[Professor Freeza]

Yes he is, that was confirmed months ago. I would say yes, 17 is stronger, but the writers put them on equal footing.

I am using statements from the show and writers. While you are, quite frankly, are acting like a jerk because something doesn't fit your narrative.

PRESENT them. Lets see

You can easily go and look at Toshi's twitter yourself and read the narration from 91.

Not my job. You present what you quote

[Kagari]

PRESENT them. Lets see

You can easily go and look at Toshi's twitter yourself and read the narration from 91.

Not my job. You present what you quote

What she said is true. Toshio did say those things, as did the episode narrator. If you don't want to put in the work to look it up that's fine but the evidence is all there to be seen plain and simple.

[Ki Breaker]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle.

Certainly a battle not worth watching

Such a waste of Vegeta's potential....

Don't worry kakarot, I will take care of this guy you can now look at and defeat, I got this! *Gets bear hugged*

[YamiGoku]

I think super is not at its best when talking about power scaling...

but i think the fan base is also too fixed on making every character a number, like goku is like a 10, so vegeta must be an 8, and gohan a 7, etc. I understand the necessity of making sense of how much stronger is one of another, but, we sometimes forget that this is not DBZ, yes is a continuation of DBZ and a DB series, but also is a new different thing, like DBZ had a different approach of power scaling compared to DB .

I think DBS just want you to know how strong "x" character is, but in a more basic (and less fixed on numerical power levels) way.



I dont think Gohan is SSB level, because he just didn't do something on SSB level and also (i think) no one said he is (literally) on the same level.

[Jigurashi]

Oh, I'm getting a strong Ikari Trunks vibe from this. I don't think this is getting an explanation.

Explanations are overrated.

What to do when it's your favorite's turn to get toie's blessings 101

Oh no....oh no..........ooooh f###ing no.......hehe my headaches back. Well it here and I'm gonna have to deal with it.

Well this new form look cool and is consistent with the minimalist style of the god forms. The deeper blue hair, darker aura and the more prominent sparkles all look cool. I'll have to hold of further judgments till we know what this form truly is.

Thinking about it.....it's interesting for Vegeta to have his own forms rather then him and Goku always sharing. Besides his Grade forms, which Goku can us, Vegeta has always been playing catch up with Goku and getting SS forms as hand-me-downs. Him and Goku have unique variations of similar forms could be a good thing.

The idea of vegeta having blue god and Goku having red has always appealed to me, but Goku being base and Vegeta darker than blue works just fine as well..


So, about the new form, I will go out on a limb and refer to this as Vegeta's version of UI, could be anime only but seems that's what they are trying to go with as well..
Remember how UI goku saw everything painted in his blurred UI aura vision?
Keeping that in mind take a look at this baby

That looks more like those cluster bomb things the spoilers said Goku is going to use and how in the NEP Goku was running around Jiren and looked at the ground.

[Ki Breaker]

That looks more like those cluster bomb things the spoilers said Goku is going to use and how in the NEP Goku was running around Jiren and looked at the ground.

Eeh, could be, stopped paying attention to spoilers a while ago, ever since they straight up started lying..
If this is an attack, that's quite a pretty little death trap Goku set up..

[HeroR]

That looks more like those cluster bomb things the spoilers said Goku is going to use and how in the NEP Goku was running around Jiren and looked at the ground.

I hope it's real along with IT spam. I will be pissed if it is the summaries screwing us again.

[Jigurashi]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle. I'm guessing thats what 126 is about.

Considering Jiren is very clearly Goku's opponent, I'm inclined to agree. If Toppo is proven that he stronger than people think, I don't see why Vegeta possibly beating him is disrespectful to Vegeta. It's quite likely he won't manage much against Jiren.

That looks more like those cluster bomb things the spoilers said Goku is going to use and how in the NEP Goku was running around Jiren and looked at the ground.

Eeh, could be, stopped paying attention to spoilers a while ago, ever since they straight up started lying..
If this is an attack, that's quite a pretty little death trap Goku set up..

I'm not necessarily completely sold on it myself, but based on NEP and spoilers it does appear to be that. Regardless, take sspoilers as grain of salt. I do hope it's real though.

That looks more like those cluster bomb things the spoilers said Goku is going to use and how in the NEP Goku was running around Jiren and looked at the ground.

I hope it's real along with IT spam. I will be pissed if it is the summaries screwing us again.

I also want the spoilers for that to be accurate myself. Goku taking a more tactical approach to fighting Jiren the second time around interests me more than Vegeta fighting Jiren in 122 did and more than Goku and Vegeta teaming up (their interactions bore me from both sides).

[HeroR]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle. I'm guessing thats what 126 is about.

Considering Jiren is very clearly Goku's opponent, I'm inclined to agree. If Toppo is proven that he stronger than people think, I don't see why Vegeta possibly beating him is disrespectful to Vegeta. It's quite likely he won't manage much against Jiren.

Because it proves Vegeta is the second fiddle.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Rival or being on par does not mean equal. Just like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is said to 'rival the gods', yet we know it's much weaker than any God of Destruction. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan also has a huge power range so it's perfectly possible to be stronger than Super Saiyan God, but weaker than a full powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. And Goku was ready to used the Kaioken when Toppo started to get serious.

The difference is that Goku SSB (said to be able to rival GoDs) could actually face or give a good fight to Beerus (even without using all his power).

However, Gohan can not even scratch Toppo with a Kamehameha, and Toppo did not even defend himself.
Toppo also seems to be playing with Gohan and 17 together (who are supposed to be Blue level).

It was said that Gohan's power rivaled that of Goku. But did the narrator specify? Did he say whether that referred to Goku SSB or Goku SSJ2 (which Gohan also rivaled)?
The narrator also erred in saying that Freeza was defeated by Goku in EP 95, being that the two tied.

Vegeta doesn't have to do anything. And I don't see how Vegeta getting beating up by Jiren 'reflects poorly on his character' given how strong Jiren is and how UI is overall presented.

Is not Vegeta supposed to do anything? He stayed the entire tournament by defeating Randons and had no great fights. Against Jiren, he was only defeated.

So yes, he deserves more. And I hope he defeats Toppo, the second strongest of his universe (especially after releasing his true power)

He doesn't deserve anything lol. Vegeta fanboys are so entitled. I hope his "big move" ends up failing per usual and Toppo rings him out.

I think I'll just ignore you.

You just hate Vegeta for no reason (I do not even know why there's hatred for a character). It makes no sense to go on arguing like this, you do not even have arguments.

The difference is that Goku SSB (said to be able to rival GoDs) could actually face or give a good fight to Beerus (even without using all his power).

However, Gohan can not even scratch Toppo with a Kamehameha, and Toppo did not even defend himself.
Toppo also seems to be playing with Gohan and 17 together (who are supposed to be Blue level).

It was said that Gohan's power rivaled that of Goku. But did the narrator specify? Did he say whether that referred to Goku SSB or Goku SSJ2 (which Gohan also rivaled)?
The narrator also erred in saying that Freeza was defeated by Goku in EP 95, being that the two tied.

Vegeta doesn't have to do anything. And I don't see how Vegeta getting beating up by Jiren 'reflects poorly on his character' given how strong Jiren is and how UI is overall presented.

Is not Vegeta supposed to do anything? He stayed the entire tournament by defeating Randons and had no great fights. Against Jiren, he was only defeated.

So yes, he deserves more. And I hope he defeats Toppo, the second strongest of his universe (especially after releasing his true power)

The same Berus that was severely holding back power to the point that he made it seemed Super Saiyan God Goku back in Battle of Gods had a chance? Even Beerus said that Goku was never a real threat to him.

Again, rival doesn't mean equal. So saying that Gohan rivals Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan doesn't mean he's equal to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. Yes, the narrator was specific and one of the writers back up the statement by putting Gohan over 17 who traded hands with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku while they were both holding back. And why would Gohan only rival Super Saiyan 2 Goku who he was seen at least equal to?

The narrator wasn't wrong since Freeza was defeated by Goku. It's just that Goku was also defeated too.

Vegeta doesn't 'deserve' anything. No fiction character does.

Toppo is also playing with Gohan and 17 together, and even then neither of them even have a chance against him (and according to some users, they are Blue level).

I know what it means to rival ... and it does not matter here, it was never stipulated that Gohan rivaled with Goku Blue, conveniently (for some people), while the narrator was talking about it, appeared the fight scene between him and Goku SSB.
But this may simply refer to Goku SSJ2.

Why use the argument of one of the writers here? Was he making it clear that it was just his personal opinion. Even Kale (less than a tired SSG) has already resisted a Kamehameha from a contained Goku SSB, it does not make sense to use as arguments fights in which Goku did not use Blue's full power, this varies greatly.

And use the word you want, the point is that Vegeta needs more, after all, he did not do anything very relevant in this tournament. What is expected of a character so prominent as Vegeta is to defeat Toppo

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle.

Certainly a battle not worth watching

Such a waste of Vegeta's potential....

We know how TOEI acts in DBS, Vegeta is usually humiliated to exalt Goku.
So overcoming Toppo and getting a new transformation is something surprising, but I do not think we should expect him to defeat Jiren or anything like that.

[Jigurashi]

Vegeta isnt going to acmplish anything against jiren, but he certainly will show toppo who is the king of second fiddle. I'm guessing thats what 126 is about.

Considering Jiren is very clearly Goku's opponent, I'm inclined to agree. If Toppo is proven that he stronger than people think, I don't see why Vegeta possibly beating him is disrespectful to Vegeta. It's quite likely he won't manage much against Jiren.

Because it proves Vegeta is the second fiddle.

No disrespect but there's nothing to prove since he's been second fiddle for the bulk of Super and the series in general.