"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Grimlock]

So, Vegeta's new power-up is basically Full Power/Completed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, only that this is Toei we're talking about, so they made it more flashy. Okay then.

[Freeza9000]

[spoiler]This is probably surpassing Super Saiyan Ikari levels of incoherence.[/spoiler]

[MisteryOne]

Dyspo even has a similar aura to Beerus. I hope Toyo at least tries to explain why this guy is so similar to him.

Goku's strategys were kinda cool, but I don't understand why he didn't use them against Jiren on their first battle instead of trying the Gendikama

So, Vegeta's new power-up is basically Full Power/Completed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, only that this is Toei we're talking about, so they made it more flashy. Okay then.

What similarities you see between Mastered SSB and this? Because this thing definetly isn't Mastered SSB. In any way the concepts and explanations are not even similar.

[Lord Frieza]

You know thing have gone completely insane when...

[spoiler]A guy starts unleashing powerful ki attacks just from putting more effort into his punches!!![/spoiler]

[Lord Beerus]

[spoiler]This is probably surpassing Super Saiyan Ikari levels of incoherence.[/spoiler]

It's basically powering up to SSJ Grade 2 while you're a SSJB. Doesn't seem that complicated to me. Nothing is ever stated that you couldn't transform on top of SSJB.

[BlueBasilisk]

So in case anyone was wondering about the Gohan/17 thing
[spoiler]Gohan doesn't fuck up at all. 17 traps them both in a barrier and Gohan nearly pushes them out with a Kamehameha, but Toppo breaks out of the attack before they go off.[/spoiler]

[Freeza9000]

[spoiler]This is probably surpassing Super Saiyan Ikari levels of incoherence.[/spoiler]

It's basically powering up to SSJ Grade 2 while you're a SSJB. Doesn't seem that complicated to me. Nothing is ever stated that you couldn't transform on top of SSJB.

And no one has tried this before because?

[MisteryOne]

[spoiler]This is probably surpassing Super Saiyan Ikari levels of incoherence.[/spoiler]

It's basically powering up to SSJ Grade 2 while you're a SSJB. Doesn't seem that complicated to me. Nothing is ever stated that you couldn't transform on top of SSJB.

I thought Grade 2 was an useless transformation? And why didn't Goku figured this earlier?

[BlueBasilisk]

[spoiler]This is probably surpassing Super Saiyan Ikari levels of incoherence.[/spoiler]

It's basically powering up to SSJ Grade 2 while you're a SSJB. Doesn't seem that complicated to me. Nothing is ever stated that you couldn't transform on top of SSJB.

I thought Grade 2 was an useless transformation? And why didn't Goku figured this earlier?

3 is the useless one. 2 just drains stamina.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

I don't get why they didn't just do SSB2.

[Grimlock]

What similarities you see between Mastered SSB and this? Because this thing definetly isn't Mastered SSB.

Completed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is supposed to:

• Possess a power beyond Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan's previous power.
• Be its all as of now and Vegeta says that his new power-up is his all in this episode.
• Overcome the limits. Also something Vegeta said just after unlocking this new power-up.

If we are to ignore these, then this is just another random power-up Toei/Vegeta pulled out of that asses and we won't have any explanation. But since the only thing explaining this new power-up are the similarities I can see between it and Completed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, I call it just that for now.

[ankokudaishogun]

You know thing have gone completely insane when...

[spoiler]A guy starts unleashing powerful ki attacks just from putting more effort into his punches!!![/spoiler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eqpc7E5tu4

[TheSaiyanGod]

Nowhere was it said that this was an SSB grade 2. They simply did not explain what this new transformation is, Vegeta was only apparently more muscular in one of the frames

[dbzfan7]

Well we didn't have Gohan fuck up thankfully. Vegeta gets a new form thing by not really doing anything that different but I'll give it a bit more time. Goku and Vegeta still ain't really accomplishing much even together which isn't a surprise. Jiren also looks more like a meat head. But I dig his power punch. I've always thought up that kind of attack to use ki fists as a neat idea (Not taking credit or anything, just thought it'd be cool to see), so seeing something like it is pretty sweet. Oh and Freeza....what happened to that lesson you told Frost about using your power? You just forget it?

And now I kinda laugh as back in 88 Gohan mentions unlocking a whole other ultimate form different than anything seen before, different from Goku....and Goku and Vegeta are the one's who do just that .

[Freeza9000]

And now I kinda laugh as back in 88 Gohan mentions unlocking a whole other ultimate form different than anything seen before, different from Goku....and Goku and Vegeta are the one's who do just that .

This lack of faith in Gohan, I find awfully disturbing.
[spoiler]
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[CJStriker_CBR]

SO many where predicting 17’s ring-out cause of Gohan in this episode from the previews 2 weeks ago.

Well........the rumors of 17’s death have been greatly exaggerated as always like I believed!

Congrats to Lapislettuce, your boy is still kicking in this.

[dbzfan7]

And now I kinda laugh as back in 88 Gohan mentions unlocking a whole other ultimate form different than anything seen before, different from Goku....and Goku and Vegeta are the one's who do just that .

This lack of faith in Gohan, I find awfully disturbing.
[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

He just needs to believe in his Nakama like Vegeta. Then suddenly something will happen. Believe in Piccolo, and his true power will be somehow summoning Piccolo into a shield for him to use again XD

[MisteryOne]

What similarities you see between Mastered SSB and this? Because this thing definetly isn't Mastered SSB.

Completed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is supposed to:

• Possess a power beyond Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan's previous power.
• Be its all as of now and Vegeta says that his new power-up is his all in this episode.
• Overcome the limits. Also something Vegeta said just after unlocking this new power-up.

If we are to ignore these, then this is just another random power-up Toei/Vegeta pulled out of that asses and we won't have any explanation. But since the only thing explaining this new power-up are the similarities I can see between it and Completed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, I call it just that for now.

-No, it isn't. It's exactly as powerful as SSB is the very moment you transform, with the difference that the power doesn't go away because the user retains it in this body, which also eliminates the aura. This two things are the most important things of Mastered SSB, and this new form doesn't have any of those characteristics. Vegeta also hasn't shown to be able to concentrate all of his power and aura in any specific point.
- And? Goku said twice that he was using his full power in the Zamasu arc. This being all of Vegeta's power doesn't relate it to mastered SSB, because by that logic if Vegeta goes red SS3 and says "This is my all" that form would also be similar to it.
- Mastered SSB has nothing to do with overcoming limits. That's like saying Grade 4 is also about that. Mastered SSB in fact is about understanding your limit and trying to find a way to make use of your our limitations (you can't get stronger than Blue, but you can at least mantain its full power all the time). In that sense this new form is more similar to Ultra Instict, in fact it's more similar to it that for Mastered Blue.

You definetly don't see to understand how the manga form works.

[Grimlock]

If at the end of the day you come off as being right, then it's just what I said:

Ithen this is just another random power-up Toei/Vegeta pulled out of that asses and we won't have any explanation.

Which is bad, in reality. But since Dragon Ball Super doesn't care to provide any explanation to most of the most important thing they introduce...

[Lord Beerus]

[spoiler]This is probably surpassing Super Saiyan Ikari levels of incoherence.[/spoiler]

It's basically powering up to SSJ Grade 2 while you're a SSJB. Doesn't seem that complicated to me. Nothing is ever stated that you couldn't transform on top of SSJB.

And no one has tried this before because?

No one thought you could power up SSJ2 to SSJ3 level strength but Future Trunks pulled it off while Goku and Vegeta never did.