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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:38 pm

floofychan333 wrote:Sometimes I wish power levels never existed. They cause so much tension between users and debates that stereotype our fan base as being annoying, and seem to piss people off way more than help them out. Also, everyone here seems to know all of them and I frankly don't care whose power level is what.
I'm pretty much at the point where I "Foe" anyone who nitpicks power levels. I refuse to even acknowledge their absurdity as a part of the fandom.
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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:05 pm

floofychan333 wrote:Sometimes I wish power levels never existed. They cause so much tension between users and debates that stereotype our fan base as being annoying, and seem to piss people off way more than help them out. Also, everyone here seems to know all of them and I frankly don't care whose power level is what. If there have to be "Who's the strongest/who's stronger" debates (which seem unavoidable regardless in this fandom), I'd rather we used examples of actual stuff from the manga and anime to justify our opinions.
You'll find debates of this type in ANY type of show. In action shows, it's who can beat up whom, in romantic stories, it's who should end up with whom. As long as the debates are intelligently discussed, I see no issue with it, nitpicky or not.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:06 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
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ekrolo2 wrote:I give less of a fuck about aspect ratio discussions/analyses than Gaffer Tape does about the equivalent things for power levels.
Who? And what?!
He doesn't give a damn about cropping.
I appreciate the complimentary words (directed to various people in the conversation), but proper aspect ratios, not just in Dragon Ball but in all media, is a VERY big deal to me. A very, very, VERY big deal to me. In fact, the aspect ratios were by far the tipping point for me when it came to not getting the orange bricks. Honestly, had it been the exact same release, with all of the other (really bad terrible) problems, only in 4:3, I probably would have bought them all... and then felt very stupid two years later when the Dragon Boxes came out.

So... yeah. Thanks, FUNimation, for screwing up the orange bricks so badly that I didn't waste my money on them!

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:10 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Wait. What were we talking about again?
What's Piccolo's power level in Resurrection F the movie if Zarbon level Shisami is stronger than him :P
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Esfír Dedragón » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:05 pm

Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.

It is only marginally better than the idea of a resurrected, golden-paint job Frieza. And that's saying a lot!
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:31 pm

Abridged Dartz is better than everyone in DBZA.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:37 pm

Esfír Dedragón wrote:Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.
Definitely, but Goku Black managed to break everyone's expectations.

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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:43 pm

Esfír Dedragón wrote:Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.

It is only marginally better than the idea of a resurrected, golden-paint job Frieza. And that's saying a lot!
How was it the worst?
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Post by Footlong Shoe » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:51 pm

Esfír Dedragón wrote:Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.

It is only marginally better than the idea of a resurrected, golden-paint job Frieza. And that's saying a lot!
The concept of an evil Goku is a bad idea, I agree with you there, but I think what we got in the end was actually pretty clever.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Noah » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:24 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Abridged Dartz is better than everyone in DBZA.
As someone who really appreciates YGOTAS, I disagree :D

I mean Abridged Dartz is really funny in the Marik's Evil Concil and in the actual arc, but I think he's not even close to Nappa or Guru in the DBZA IMO
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:46 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Abridged Dartz is better than everyone in DBZA.
He isn't even Dragon Ball Z Abridged Freeza tier. If he tried to take on the heavy hitters like Perfect Cell he'd get spanked.

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Post by ABED » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:07 am

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Esfír Dedragón wrote:Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.

It is only marginally better than the idea of a resurrected, golden-paint job Frieza. And that's saying a lot!
The concept of an evil Goku is a bad idea, I agree with you there, but I think what we got in the end was actually pretty clever.
Why is it a bad idea?

Ideas are easy, what matters is execution. Everyone can come up with good ideas. You can have the best idea, but if it falters in execution, then does the idea really matter? If the idea sounds bad but the execution is great, who cares if the idea sounded bad in theory?
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Post by Footlong Shoe » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:19 pm

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Esfír Dedragón wrote:Goku Black is, so far, the WORST idea for a villain in the Dragon Ball Franchise.

It is only marginally better than the idea of a resurrected, golden-paint job Frieza. And that's saying a lot!
The concept of an evil Goku is a bad idea, I agree with you there, but I think what we got in the end was actually pretty clever.
Why is it a bad idea?

Ideas are easy, what matters is execution. Everyone can come up with good ideas. You can have the best idea, but if it falters in execution, then does the idea really matter? If the idea sounds bad but the execution is great, who cares if the idea sounded bad in theory?
That's essentially my point. The idea sounds bad, but it was executed well, which is why you won't hear me criticizing it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:00 pm

The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:17 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.
The premise for the Android Arc connects to the Red Ribbon Arc as well as the Saiyan Arc to Freeza, I'll write that off as a harmless slip-up. In DBS, neither the first tournament or the FT Arc tie into anything else other than pre-existing characters, but even the Boo Arc did that.

Edit: Forgot, BoG was also a thing that is as stand-alone as it gets.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:20 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.
I'm sorry but DBS has no organic storytelling
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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The gr wrote:
FortuneSSJ wrote:The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.
I'm sorry but DBS has no organic storytelling
I'd say that the Future Trunks Arc and the Universe Six arc were pretty organic, for Dragon Ball

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:26 pm

Gog wrote:
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FortuneSSJ wrote:The plot structure of DBS is much better than DBZ.
In Super every arc has plot points that connect to each other, while in DBZ only Saiyan arc connects to Freeza arc. The Cyborgs/Androids and Majin Buu came from nowhere.
I'm sorry but DBS has no organic storytelling
I'd say that the Future Trunks Arc and the Universe Six arc were pretty organic, for Dragon Ball
Your right about that but bog and ROF hell no. the original DB plot structure or organic storytelling is way better than DBS and DBZ
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:29 pm

The gr wrote:
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The gr wrote: I'm sorry but DBS has no organic storytelling
I'd say that the Future Trunks Arc and the Universe Six arc were pretty organic, for Dragon Ball
Your right about that but bog and ROF hell no. the original DB plot structure or organic storytelling is way better than DBS and DBZ
I enjoyed Battle Of Gods and Resurrection Of Freeza.

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Dragon Ball, the original version wasn't that good, hell the Majin Buu arc was more entertaining than it

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:31 pm

The gr wrote:I'm sorry but DBS has no organic storytelling
That's quite an exaggeration. RoF, while mediocre in itself, provided a natural fulfillment to Goku's God power, as well as having Vegeta achieve it on his own through hard work. Then, it gave them a challenge that not only let them fully make use of their perfected power, but reminded them of their weakness. Not to mention the obvious tie-in with Freeza's army, something that should have been addressed ages ago in my opinion.

Actually... I guess that's pretty much it. I guess you could count Future Trunks as a tie-in, but that's really stretching it.
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