FUNimation Announces "Kai" License ("DBZ Kai")

[SSVegetto]

the characters are still the hero's.

No.

The characters are changed by the dub's dialogue. And often the scenarios, so therefore the plot.

We've been over this.

I disagree, that is your opinion. The characters are also defined by their actions. And their actions can not be changed. With that said, I don't think they dub's dialogue changed their characterization. Actions mean almost everything. I got Goku's personality just the same in both the English dub and Japanese dub. But like I said it's your opinion. You can have it. I just don't see it the way you do. It's alright.

[Kaboom]

A bad, changed script may not necessarily change what happens in the show, but it can change why it happened through altering the characters' personalities and motivations. For example...

• Dub-Goku: "Aw, let's let Vegeta go. Deep down, he's really a big ol' teddy bear. He's just lonely!"
  True-Goku: "I know Vegeta's a scumbag, but I really REALLY want to fight him again. So let him go for now."
  
  Dub-Vegeta: "I'm not a bad guy, honest! Freeza took me away from my daddy and forced me to wipe out all those planets! I had to do it or he'd kill me!"
  True-Vegeta: "I may hate and want to kill Freeza, but BOY OH BOY do I love my job!"

See? THAT is a fact. If simply keeping what visually happens the same was all that matters, then why bother? Have the characters be singing Beatles lyrics instead of accurate dialogue.

But I don't think we should let this thread expand into another one of these debates. Let's drop it and move on.

[Amigo Ten]

Why separate the two because of Funimation's script?

Uh, because the script changes make it a different show.

At least with Kai, it might not.

That's where I disagree. To me it's the same show. Nothing has changed, the plot is still the same, the characters are still the hero's. The actions are still the same. The video is uncut. They still do the exact same thing. I agree the script is not always accurate, but not to a degree that the actual plot is different. So all in all, in both the Japanese dub and English dub I still see the same show.

You see that way, a lot of others don't. I'd say the number of fans who much prefer one version over the other far outweigh those who aren't bothered either way.

And there are instances where dialogue chances make quite a dramatic difference. Things like Vegeta's death speech, or Goku's reason for letting Vegeta live.

[linkdude20002001]

That's where I disagree. To me it's the same show. Nothing has changed, the plot is still the same, the characters are still the hero's. The actions are still the same. The video is uncut. They still do the exact same thing. I agree the script is not always accurate, but not to a degree that the actual plot is different. So all in all, in both the Japanese dub and English dub I still see the same show.

Not accourding to FUNimation. They even label it as "reversioned by FUNimation.".

[fig404]

That's where I disagree. To me it's the same show. Nothing has changed, the plot is still the same, the characters are still the hero's. The actions are still the same. The video is uncut. They still do the exact same thing. I agree the script is not always accurate, but not to a degree that the actual plot is different. So all in all, in both the Japanese dub and English dub I still see the same show.

Not accourding to FUNimation. They even label it as "reversioned by FUNimation.".

On what release?

[SSVegetto]

A bad, changed script may not necessarily change what happens in the show, but it can change why it happened through altering the characters' personalities and motivations. For example...

• Dub-Vegeta: "I'm not a bad guy, honest! Freeza took me away from my daddy and forced me to wipe out all those planets! I had to do it or he'd kill me!"
  True-Vegeta: "I may hate and want to kill Freeza, but BOY OH BOY do I love my job!"

See? THAT is a fact. If simply keeping what visually happens the same was all that matters, then why bother? Have the characters be singing Beatles lyrics instead of accurate dialogue.

But I don't think we should let this thread expand into another one of these debates. Let's drop it and move on.

Very well. I'll drop it. But some people take that one bad line and use it for the rest of the series. Like Vegeta's character is now messed up. I always perceived Vegeta is still a bad ass in both dubs.

[Kaboom]

On what release?

Pretty much everything recent.

[fig404]

On what release?

Pretty much everything recent.

Even the Dragon Box?

[linkdude20002001]

Not accourding to FUNimation. They even label it as "reversioned by FUNimation.".

On what release?

The Ultimate Uncut Editions, as well as the season sets for DBZ.

[penguintruth]

If Goku lets Vegeta go because he wants to fight him again, it shows that, even though Goku's actions helped save the planet, ultimately what he really likes is a good fight, and people's safety can sometimes come in second to his own selfish desires.

If Goku lets Vegeta go because he thinks there's good in him, it means Goku is looking for the good in all people and things and thinks we should all join hands across the world in song and prayer. In other words, he becomes a generic do-gooder.

If Vegeta tells Goku to defeat Freeza because a Saiyan has to be the one to defeat the one who destroyed their race and does so while crying because it's hurting his pride to ask this, then it's him being his usual prideful self and while it shows he's growing in one sense, it's more about defeating Freeza no matter what than trusting in Goku.

If Vegeta begs Goku to stop Freeza before he takes another young boy away from his father and turns him into a monster, it shows that Vegeta regrets becoming what he is and doesn't want to see it happen to anyone else. This is then entirely contradicted by the fact that after coming back from the dead, Vegeta immediately reverts back to being an arrogant prick who enjoys bullying people and plans to kill Goku, not to mention that until this point Vegeta has been nothing but proud of what he's become. Also of note, the Saiyans were a race of mass murderers long before they met Freeza and Vegeta would have ended up as he is regardless.

Are you saying these changes don't affect the way a viewer watches the story unfold? And these are NOT isolated incidents.

[linkdude20002001]

Even the Dragon Box?

FUNi's Dragon Box Z only has the Japanese credits.

[TripleRach]

Even the Dragon Box?

FUNi's Dragon Box Z only has the Japanese credits.

No, they do have a long string of English credits at the end of each disc, and they appear to be lifted directly from the season sets' credits (hooray for Steve Franko?). But I don't remember if it includes the "reversioned" line or not. I want to say it does, though, because it seems familiar.

[Kaboom]

But I don't remember if it includes the "reversioned" line or not. I want to say it does, though, because it seems familiar.

Indeed it does.

[Mountain]

All I know is that whenever I watch the Japanese version, I feel a lot of emotion and powerful acting, dialog, music, etc. I also feel safe as this IS Dragon Ball as it was meant to be seen. I'll occasionally check the English dub and, within two minutes, feel embarrassed, causing me to immediately switch back. I mean, there's talking when there should be silence, strange grunting, annoying voices, inaccurate dialog, etc.

Now, if you're a fan of the English version, I totally respect your opinion and I won't bash you. On the other hand, I've seen every episode in both languages and I can say that they are two different shows. Not all, but some of the dub fans are basing opinions on things they don't know about. I'm not biased either. I'd LOVE a good English dub. It's just probably not going to happen anytime soon. Note: I said "probably" because, as I have stated before, I intend to give Kai a chance.

[Innagadadavida]

It sure is hilarious when "Sub vs. Dub" breaks out in every thread. Oh wait, "hilarious" isn't the right word... "annoying" that's the word.

[Mountain]

It sure is hilarious when "Sub vs. Dub" breaks out in every thread. Oh wait, "hilarious" isn't the right word... "annoying" that's the word.

Sorry to post again so soon, but I have a point to make. I don't want a sub vs. dub debate anymore than the next person. I just want to say that a lot of people forget, or never even begin to think, that without the Japanese version of the show... there would be no English dub! You have to learn to respect and understand the original intent before you start to improve upon and/or decide what is best for the show. The Japanese version IS the show. Okay, that's where you start. It's a fairly simple concept to pick up on. What dub fans are failing to realize here is that many sub fans, including myself, WANT to be dub fans! That's the reason this is such a big deal to me. I just don't think it's that difficult to produce a tolerable and accurate English version of the show.

[Kendamu]

It sure is hilarious when "Sub vs. Dub" breaks out in every thread. Oh wait, "hilarious" isn't the right word... "annoying" that's the word.

What did you expect people to be talking about in this thread? I mean, really... FUNi announces Kai and gives some details about the dub based on our questions and you didn't expect people to get opinionated over it? What were you expecting?

Person #1: They're dubbing Kai.

Person #2: That's nice. I have no opinion of it.

Person #1: Same here. I'll watch anything.

Person #2: I'm glad we all have the exact same thoughts and feelings. It makes this board a moot point! Let's hug and braid each other's hair!

Person #1: Let's!

First off, my hair isn't long enough for braiding. Second off, that would be a boring forum.

[UristtheGreat]

Jheese better not have that annoying ass accent for Kai.

[Innagadadavida]

First off, my hair isn't long enough for braiding. Second off, that would be a boring forum.

You're misunderstanding me. Sub vs dub is a fine topic on it's own, but there are much better and more relevant things to talk about in this thread. Things that don't boil down to a decade-long redundantly redundant sub vs dub discussion.

[penguintruth]

You're misunderstanding me. Sub vs dub is a fine topic on it's own, but there are much better and more relevant things to talk about in this thread.

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