"Jaco the Galactic Patrolman" discussion (incl. "DB Minus")

[TripleRach]

I got my volume today thanks to Amazon's crazy international shipping speed. Though I assume most of the details are known already. (EDIT: Oh, look at all these new posts after I started typing this.)

I'm really not sure what the point of Minus was, other than the fanservice of Gine and kid Raditz. What little plot there is is pretty dull, and it retcons most of the TV special out of existence (not that it was ever 100% part of the manga continuity anyway). Plus the whole conflict with Gokuu's age. The only part I really liked was the ending pages tying it to Jaco.

Jaco itself seems pretty great (though I haven't read all of it yet), but DB Minus... Well, it's still better than Episode of Bardock, I guess.

[ZombieVito]

Will this be released in NA? Physically?

[dodge2461]

Will this be released in NA? Physically?

Yes. Both physically and digitally in January 2015.

[eledoremassis02]

I read it and it was weird because it's really not what we're used too.

It was also weird seeing Frieza again and

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mentioning Super Saiyan God

But i'm interested to see where this will go.

[Chuquita]

I read it and it was weird because it's really not what we're used too.

It was also weird seeing Freeza again and

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mentioning Super Saiyan God

But i'm interested to see where this will go.

Wow, I completely read over

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the super saiyajin god

part. That's pretty cool, tying things in together here. Also, on that same page, one of the henchmen in the background looks a lot like

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Cado from the 08' special.

EDIT:
OMG, I just noticed

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The hilariously Flinstones-esque cars on 236. There's so many gems in the background of this saiyajin village. Also checkout the elderly saiyajin on page 240, and the fact that Gine wears sanitation gloves while cutting the meat.

[MagicBox]

I like the idea of Raditz and Vegeta being sent off on a mission together, though I would have liked to see father, mother, and both sons together for at least one panel. Do Burdock and Gine mention Raditz at all or do they only focus on Goku?

I'll wait for Viz's translation on Monday before I make any judgements. I'm not sure why so many people are getting upset that this contradicts the TV special. I want Toriyama to tell the story that Toriyama wants to tell. It'd be boring otherwise.

EDIT #1: Oh, hey! The series that are pictured on Jaco's obi strip (Cowa, Kajika, Sand Land, Neko Majin, the short story collections, etc.). Are those the ones that are getting reprinted with new obi strips? I notice that Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump are also pictured on the dust jacket, but they're not getting reprinted, too, are they? That's a bit overkill for a simple obi message...

EDIT #2: How has freaking Kajika still not been licensed for North American release, by the way?

[Chuquita]

They do mention Raditz a couple times; Bardock asks about him on page 240 and Gine says Raditz is with Prince Vegeta. Gine also talks about Raditz to Kakarrotto on page 243 (the page with the shot of incredibly worried/lost Kakarrotto on it. Looking at that expression and then thinking about how sad it is that after he smacks his head he'll forget all about them and himself...)

I'm also sad we don't get to see much of Kakarrotto in this. I really wanted to see more of how his personality differs from Gokû's.

[MagicBox]

Thanks so much for the info!

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Yeah, I was really looking forward to reading if Goku talked "normally" or if he had a different dialect before losing his memory. But from what I can see, he doesn't even appear to talk. It's sad. To play devil's advocate, I suppose if you saw him really interacting with his family, it would be even more heartbreaking in the series proper to know that he doesn't remember any of them. Perhaps that's why Toriyama hardly showed him at all?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Oh, hey! The series that are pictured on Jaco's obi strip (Cowa, Kajika, Sand Land, Neko Majin, the short story collections, etc.). Are those the ones that are getting reprinted with new obi strips? I notice that Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump are also pictured on the dust jacket, but they're not getting reprinted, too, are they? That's a bit overkill for a simple obi message...

I dunno. The Jump website shares the same titles... http://www.shonenjump.com/j/sp_jaco/

[MagicBox]

I guess that more-or-less confirms that those are the series getting reprinted. Interesting that they posted all of his new obi messages up on the site. Doesn't that kinda kill the whole "collect them all!" thing they were apparently going for?

It's still really cool, nonetheless.

[xmysticgohanx]

So DB Minus knocks EoB out of canon or what? Also would you consider DB Minus as seperate to Jaco?

[Chuquita]

I'm waiting for Viz's translation on Monday, but it looks like it might knock both Bardock specials out into side-story territory.

Thanks so much for the info!

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Yeah, I was really looking forward to reading if Goku talked "normally" or if he had a different dialect before losing his memory. But from what I can see, he doesn't even appear to talk. It's sad. To play devil's advocate, I suppose if you saw him really interacting with his family, it would be even more heartbreaking in the series proper to know that he doesn't remember any of them. Perhaps that's why Toriyama hardly showed him at all?

It would explain

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why he has Kakarrotto sleep through a bunch of pages, and why he's eating instead of talking in his brief Jaco cameo. That look on his face on page 243 alone says a lot as does the final shot from behind of Bardock with his arm around Gine and her holding her hands up to her face. It is really heartbreaking, and makes Bulma asking Gokû about his parents in early DB chapters and Gokû laughing about how he doesn't know and flippantly thinks they abandoned him in the mountains awfully painful. If Bardock and Gine genuinely cared about Kakarrotto, and if Kakarrotto genuinely cared about them, it all becomes terribly tragic.

[VegettoEX]

Also would you consider DB Minus as seperate to Jaco?

Considering the fact that Jaco himself (and the setup of the actual Jaco the Galactic Patrolman series itself) is right there in Dragon Ball Minus, it's impossible to separate things.

[MagicBox]

It would explain

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why he has Kakarrotto sleep through a bunch of pages, and why he's eating instead of talking in his brief Jaco cameo. That look on his face on page 243 alone says a lot as does the final shot from behind of Bardock with his arm around Gine and her holding her hands up to her face. It is really heartbreaking, and makes Bulma asking Gokû about his parents in early DB chapters and Gokû laughing about how he doesn't know and flippantly thinks they abandoned him in the mountains awfully painful. If Bardock and Gine genuinely cared about Kakarrotto, and if Kakarrotto genuinely cared about them, it all becomes terribly tragic.

I agree with you 100%, even if I doubt Toriyama intended for people to think about it that way. It was easier to shrug it off when all we had was the TV special (in which Burdock couldn't have cared less about his son until his last moments, and even then, it was only a little). But this makes the whole thing awfully depressing. Poor guys.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, does this contradict EoB? How does it tie-in with BoG? How does Bardock knows about Planet Vegeta's destruction and secretly has Goku leave?

[Chuquita]

It contradicts EOB in that it contradicts the original Bardock special to which EOB builds off of. It ties into BOG by having Freeza mention super saiyajin god.

My guess (I'm waiting for the Viz translation since I know it's coming) is Bardock uses detective-work instead of psychic powers because it looks like Freeza had all the saiyajin called back to Planet Vegeta and that along with all the talk of "super saiyajin" and the presence of Freeza's ship hovering just outside of Planet Vegeta made Bardock suspicious that something bad was about to happen. I could be wrong though.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It contradicts EOB in that it contradicts the original Bardock special to which EOB builds off of. It ties into BOG by having Freeza mention super saiyajin god.

...Wait, what? ...What?! ._o

How in the heck does he know about Super Saiyan God? What specifically does he say about it?

[Chuquita]

It contradicts EOB in that it contradicts the original Bardock special to which EOB builds off of. It ties into BOG by having Freeza mention super saiyajin god.

...Wait, what? ...What?! ._o

How in the heck does he know about Super Saiyan God? What specifically does he say about it?

The line is

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超サイヤ人に超サイヤ人神ですか/"The super saiyajin in "super saiyajin god"." if I'm reading it correctly.

and it's on page 237. I'd have to go through and translate the whole page to know any details; it's Freeza having a monologue. I can try to translate the monologue, but it'll take a while.

EDIT:

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Continuation on the top-left panel on 237 reads something like "Freeza-sama has reached his boiling point." if I'm reading it correctly.

Bottom right says (I think):

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I have known and learned there is also a touch of anxiety within me.

Bottom left (Maybe?):

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The saiyajin are too prideful to have goodwill. They're very much faithful dogs. They don't turn such things off.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So, does this contradict EoB? How does it tie-in with BoG? How does Bardock knows about Planet Vegeta's destruction and secretly has Goku leave?

Here is a summary of DB-:

"Bardock is out conquering a planet when Freeza decides to eradicate the Saiyans and orders all of them back to their home world. Bardock returns to planet Vegeta, suspicious of Freeza's actions. Vegeta is out conquering a planet with Raditz and decides to ignore the order. Bardock reunites with Gine now that he is home and begins to wonder about his son. Worried that their planet might be met with a terrible fate, Bardock steals an Attack Ball and launches Kakarotto out into space. 1 month later, Freeza arrives to destroy the planet."

As already mentioned by other users, it ties into Battle of Gods with the Super Saiyan God name drop.

Goku is mentioned to be 3 years old and that it will soon be time for him to exit the pod-thing. This causes a number of "problems" of varying levels of importance, depending on what you care about.

Just counting the manga, Goku being 3, and then 10 years passing after he lands in Jaco, makes him 13, but he is said to be 12 during the Pilaf Arc though (after he learns to count under Roshi). This isn't a big issue, as Goku may not even know how old he was and Gohan just assumed he was two when he found him, or perhaps the 10 years that pass are the same as the "7" years that pass between the Cell and Buu Arcs...meaning not really 7, and not really enough time for Goten to be his stated age either. lol

Counting the guidebooks, more pretty major inconsistencies arise when you try and work with all the numbers: Goku's official birth year and stated age (737+3), Bluma's stated age and birth year (733+5), DB taking place 10 years after Jaco, and even planet Vegeta being destroyed during Beerus' 39 year nap. No matter how you slice it, things just won't add up correctly.

Episode of Bardock is likely contradicted in that Bardock doesn't go through the events of the TV Special. Granted that may not be required, as Episode of Bardock really only needs 3 things to fit with references made in it: Bardock's outfit, challenging Freeza above planet Vegeta, and losing his squad at the hands of Freeza's men. Of those three, two are completely possible. Bardock has a different outfit when we see him, but that was a month before the planet is attacked. Since Toriyama doesn't depict the showdown in DB-, he could easily fly up there and challenge Freeza too. But, DB- seems to imply that Toma, Selypa, Panbukin and Totepo don't exist. It's only a month before they are destroyed and Bardock is called back from his mission with a completely different partner by his side...

[redon]

Full Dragon Ball Minus chapter.

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