Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:09 pm

Toei's already got a winning combination as it is with Dragon Ball Kai and One Piece airin' like so. No need to spend the money completely reanimating what they already have.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:11 pm

So then what's the point of all of this? To put it back on the air in HD with parts of episodes cut out so it will be shorter? For what!? If they wanted a shorter Z they should just redo the episodes in the style of the special they just came out with.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:16 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So then what's the point of all of this? To put it back on the air in HD with parts of episodes cut out so it will be shorter? For what!? If they wanted a shorter Z they should just redo the episodes in the style of the special they just came out with.

They'll save tons of cash by using old animation, and they'll make tons of cash selling the show. I'm hoping they're testing the waters for a new series, myself.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:21 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So then what's the point of all of this? To put it back on the air in HD with parts of episodes cut out so it will be shorter? For what!? If they wanted a shorter Z they should just redo the episodes in the style of the special they just came out with.

What's the point of doing it the way you want, when they can do it the way they want? You either want to see a revised version of DBZ or you don't, that's the point. How we get it is irrelevant at this point, because Toei is doing it the way they want to do it.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:26 pm

snaku wrote:What's the point of doing it the way you want, when they can do it the way they want? You either want to see a revised version of DBZ or you don't, that's the point. How we get it is irrelevant at this point, because Toei is doing it the way they want to do it.

The point of doing it the way I'd like to see it be done is because it would make more sense. If they're gonna go and have the voice actors redo scenes and add new music and possibly come up with a new intro then why not go the extra mile and animate new episodes? It can't be because they don't have the money for it...

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:28 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:The point of doing it the way I'd like to see it be done is because it would make more sense.

In what way does it make "more" sense?

Chrono Trigger wrote:If they're gonna go and have the voice actors redo scenes and add new music and possibly come up with a new intro then why not go the extra mile and animate new episodes? It can't be because they don't have the money for it...

Because they decided the existing animation they have right now is adequate for what they want to do?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:32 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So then what's the point of all of this? To put it back on the air in HD with parts of episodes cut out so it will be shorter? For what!? If they wanted a shorter Z they should just redo the episodes in the style of the special they just came out with.

As someone else pointed out way back in this thread I think, there are younger fans in Japan who haven't even seen Dragon Ball Z yet. It's not like they get reruns of it and the DVDs are expensive, and it's a damn long series to collect.

Isn't the fact that it's still popular enough for them to do this interesting enough? I'm excited just by the idea of Dragon Ball Z being back on the air in it's native country. It may bring in new fans and even more new interest in the series than it's already been getting, what with the Jump Special and the movie. Who knows where it could go from here?

Seriously, would you prefer it to just disappear into obscurity? Sure, I'd like to see a redone version of the series too, but this is just as exciting to me.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:33 pm

snaku wrote:In what way does it make "more" sense?

I meant for to me. Personally. I understand you're excited about it and I'm not trying to bring down anyone's excitement. I just feel like if they can make a new logo, rerecord the audio, and make a new intro/ending then they could animate new episodes. That's all.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:37 pm

SSJ Helldog wrote:They'll save tons of cash by using old animation

Not necessarily, depending on the scope of the project. Gainax's restoration of Evangelion reportedly cost more than the original animation did. My guess is that if you add the cost of the restoration that was done for the DragonBox and any additional restoration plus the new animation to "expand" the footage to 16:9, if would be a heftier price tag than simply animating a new series.

-Corey

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:37 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:I meant for to me. Personally. I understand you're excited about it and I'm not trying to bring down anyone's excitement. I just feel like if they can make a new logo, rerecord the audio, and make a new intro/ending then they could animate new episodes. That's all.

That's precisely where I hope these efforts lead: new episodes. Hopefully DBK gains so much popularity that they'll pick up where the 2008 OVA left off and create new episodes in the same vein when they're finished with the Buu saga.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:44 pm

Bussani wrote:As someone else pointed out way back in this thread I think, there are younger fans in Japan who haven't even seen Dragon Ball Z yet. It's not like they get reruns of it and the DVDs are expensive, and it's a damn long series to collect.

Actually, when the Dragon Boxes came out, Fuji TV re-aired the entire series from beginning to end I believe.

snaku wrote:That's precisely where I hope these efforts lead: new episodes. Hopefully DBK gains so much popularity that they'll pick up where the 2008 OVA left off and create new episodes in the same vein when they're finished with the Buu saga.

They did create new episodes after the Boo arc; it's called GT! We all know how well that went.

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:48 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
snaku wrote:In what way does it make "more" sense?
I meant for to me. Personally. I understand you're excited about it and I'm not trying to bring down anyone's excitement. I just feel like if they can make a new logo, rerecord the audio, and make a new intro/ending then they could animate new episodes. That's all.

Do you know how expensive full animation is compared to what they are doing? Sure, they may have the money for it, but the finished product will be a lot worse than what it will be if they improve on existing art. I doubt we want to see 100 newly animated episodes of Dragonball with every other episode having a "hey Goku, you look kind of cool"* feel to it, instead of the best of 294 episodes made even better.

Oh, and to clarify what I mean by that quote, I was poking fun at cheap animation done by underpaid Korean animation students by parodying up a notorious scene from Naruto.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:49 pm

Yi Xing Long wrote:
Bussani wrote:As someone else pointed out way back in this thread I think, there are younger fans in Japan who haven't even seen Dragon Ball Z yet. It's not like they get reruns of it and the DVDs are expensive, and it's a damn long series to collect.
Actually, when the Dragon Boxes came out, Fuji TV re-aired the entire series from beginning to end I believe.

That's cool. How long ago was that?

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:50 pm

Yi Xing Long wrote:They did create new episodes after the Boo arc; it's called GT! We all know how well that went.

That creative team was obviously way off base. Dragon Ball isn't so complex that only Akira Toriyama is capable of telling fun and entertaining stories in it. The writing team just needs the right mindset, and I think those responsible for the 2008 OVA have the right idea.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:51 pm

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:
snaku wrote:In what way does it make "more" sense?
I meant for to me. Personally. I understand you're excited about it and I'm not trying to bring down anyone's excitement. I just feel like if they can make a new logo, rerecord the audio, and make a new intro/ending then they could animate new episodes. That's all.
Do you know how expensive full animation is compared to what they are doing? Sure, they may have the money for it, but the finished product will be a lot worse than what it will be if they improve on existing art. I doubt we want to see 100 newly animated episodes of Dragonball with every other episode having a "hey Goku, you look kind of cool"* feel to it, instead of the best of 294 episodes made even better.

Oh, and to clarify what I mean by that quote, I was poking fun at cheap animation done by underpaid Korean animation students by parodying up a notorious scene from Naruto.
http://banjo.macrochan.org/source/L/F/L ... 2P4EQA.jpg

You mean that one scene where his head is missing?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:53 pm

No, it's his face. You have to copy&paste the url link in your browser due to direct linking issues.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:54 pm

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:Do you know how expensive full animation is compared to what they are doing? Sure, they may have the money for it, but the finished product will be a lot worse than what it will be if they improve on existing art. I doubt we want to see 100 newly animated episodes of Dragonball with every other episode having a "hey Goku, you look kind of cool"* feel to it, instead of the best of 294 episodes made even better.

Actually, it would possibly be cheaper to re-animate it all over again compared to restoring it properly in addition to the redone voice acting, cutting and pasting of footage, and supposed extending of the sides of frames among many other factors.

By the way, it is 291 episodes.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:56 pm

snaku wrote:That's precisely where I hope these efforts lead: new episodes. Hopefully DBK gains so much popularity that they'll pick up where the 2008 OVA left off and create new episodes in the same vein when they're finished with the Buu saga.

I understand they are probably trying to test the waters and stuff but come on the show has been over for over a decade! It's still one of the most popular shows ever. If they wanted to they could make a new series. People are always going to be interested it just needs to be good.

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:Do you know how expensive full animation is compared to what they are doing? Sure, they may have the money for it, but the finished product will be a lot worse than what it will be if they improve on existing art. I doubt we want to see 100 newly animated episodes of Dragonball with every other episode having a "hey Goku, you look kind of cool"* feel to it, instead of the best of 294 episodes made even better.

Why can't they just animate something new that sticks closer the manga with little to no filler? It'd basically be the same thing and it'd make sense for them to change the name and do all that other stuff.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:59 pm

snaku wrote:
Yi Xing Long wrote:They did create new episodes after the Boo arc; it's called GT! We all know how well that went.
That creative team was obviously way off base. Dragon Ball isn't so complex that only Akira Toriyama is capable of telling fun and entertaining stories in it. The writing team just needs the right mindset, and I think those responsible for the 2008 OVA have the right idea.

Dragon Ball is only as complex as you make it. It is not by any stretch of the imagination "complex" by most standards. Also, Toriyama made the story up as he went. He did not set out to create an grand epic; it was originally a gag manga. Please tell me what makes you think that Toei would do any better this time around?

By the way, Toriyama is responsible for the Jump special.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:03 pm

Yi Xing Long wrote:Dragon Ball is only as complex as you make it. It is not by any stretch of the imagination "complex" by most standards. Also, Toriyama made the story up as he went. He did not set out to create an grand epic; it was originally a gag manga.

Right, I never claimed it was complex, quite the opposite.