The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Draken]

SSJ3 Goku: 40,000,000,000
Majin Buu: 18,000,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 23,000,000,000
That's how it's possible.

How is Majin Buu THAT weak though...? Subscribing to Super Buu = 8x Majin (which I think is what you're trying to do), then that means Super Buu is 144 billion, and SSJ3 Gotenks would be 184. But that's too huge a gap between Gotenks and Buu. And then this is pre-RoSaT Gotenks we're talking about. Post would be much stronger.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No... Super Buu is 180,000,000,000. When Buu gets angry to the point of splitting he powers up to 27,000,000,000 and then splits giving Good Buu 12,000,000,000 and Pure Evil Buu 15,000,000,000. When Pure Evil Buu eats him his power is multiplied by the first 2 digits in Good Buu's power level. Majin Buu isn't weak BTW. Buu didn't totally dominate Majin Vegeta and a 2x difference has always shown to be capable of one shotting and Buu isn't too far off that 2x marker.

[Draken]

Always? Nappa vs Goku, Vegeta vs Goku, Freeza vs Goku...

I wasn't saying he was weak, probably a poor choice of wording, just that you have him so weak in comparison to SSJ3 Goku.

Wow that's a really intricate fan-theory.

[RandomGuy96]

I just go with normal addition. It makes South Kaioshin unusually beastly but it still fits. Southy was sort of implied to be a beast anyway with the two sentences East says about him. Fatty doesn't really need to be near SS3 Goku, as anything can always be written off with "suppression" and "retcon" (originally, there was no indication he could kill Buu). He just needs to be a decent bit stronger than SS2 Goku and Vegeta. To represent this numerically, it would be like:

SS2 Vegeta- 10
SS2 Goku- 10.25
Fat Buu- 13
SS Gotenks- 15
SS3 Goku- 41
Kid Buu- 45
South Kaioshin- 65
Kid Buu + SK = Buff Buu- 110
Super Buu- 100
SS3 Gotenks- 120

[MDSTSSJ]

Super Saiyan Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku

SSJ3 Kakarotto wins by far!

[TheMightyOzaru]

Always? Nappa vs Goku, Vegeta vs Goku, Freeza vs Goku...

I wasn't saying he was weak, probably a poor choice of wording, just that you have him so weak in comparison to SSJ3 Goku.

Wow that's a really intricate fan-theory.

Goku wasn't trying against Nappa, Goku wasn't twice as strong as Vegeta, Freeza wasn't trying, he could certainly one shot Goku with no trouble at all. I don't really have a reason to assume Majin Buu is even close to SSJ3 Goku. I think Goku was putting forth half effort during that fight. Yeah it's an interesting fan theory. It basically has to do with the my idea that the Kaioshin's multiply or divide Buu's power in a way. Buu can basically negate Kaioshins influence that would normally divide Buu's power and multiply his power. If the Kaioshin's influence is stronger, Buu's power will be divided. Since Good Buu has that Kaioshin influence within him, Pure Evil Buu negated the influence and multiplied his power. That's how I see it anyway.

[MDSTSSJ]

I would take that as blatantly false.

Gotenks is suggested to be stronger than Goku numerous times.

Where is stated that Gotenks is numerous times stronger than Kakarotto?

Goku wouldn't leave the fate of the universe to someone who can't handle it.

Goku was dead at that time and have 0 responsibility to defend the Earth. Goku also had no more time to be on Earth And he could not revive again.

The kids are damn strong and together form a very powerful being and Kakarotto supposed that but, nothing indicates that Pre or 10 days Post RoSaT SSJ Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

SSJ3 Gotenks is another history.

[Draken]

Always? Nappa vs Goku, Vegeta vs Goku, Freeza vs Goku...

I wasn't saying he was weak, probably a poor choice of wording, just that you have him so weak in comparison to SSJ3 Goku.

Wow that's a really intricate fan-theory.

Goku wasn't trying against Nappa, Goku wasn't twice as strong as Vegeta, Freeza wasn't trying, he could certainly one shot Goku with no trouble at all. I don't really have a reason to assume Majin Buu is even close to SSJ3 Goku. I think Goku was putting forth half effort during that fight. Yeah it's an interesting fan theory. It basically has to do with the my idea that the Kaioshin's multiply or divide Buu's power in a way. Buu can basically negate Kaioshins influence that would normally divide Buu's power and multiply his power. If the Kaioshin's influence is stronger, Buu's power will be divided. Since Good Buu has that Kaioshin influence within him, Pure Evil Buu negated the influence and multiplied his power. That's how I see it anyway.

He got in several good hits and could only one shot hit after using kaioken. For Vegeta... Are you vein serious? I was obviously talking about Vegeta being the stronger one. 18000 vs 8000, more than 2x boost, Goku lives.

[Mjb1985]

That's not half bad.

I would say Fat Buu is at least double the Super Saiyan 2's. Considering that 3 Super Saiyan 2's have no chance against him.


Ssj3 Goku 40
Ssj Gotenks Post 30
Ssj Gotenks 25
Fat Buu 20
Ssj2 Goku 10

That's not half bad for the minimalist in this situation. I don't agree with it, but at least it's reasonable.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Always? Nappa vs Goku, Vegeta vs Goku, Freeza vs Goku...

I wasn't saying he was weak, probably a poor choice of wording, just that you have him so weak in comparison to SSJ3 Goku.

Wow that's a really intricate fan-theory.

Goku wasn't trying against Nappa, Goku wasn't twice as strong as Vegeta, Freeza wasn't trying, he could certainly one shot Goku with no trouble at all. I don't really have a reason to assume Majin Buu is even close to SSJ3 Goku. I think Goku was putting forth half effort during that fight. Yeah it's an interesting fan theory. It basically has to do with the my idea that the Kaioshin's multiply or divide Buu's power in a way. Buu can basically negate Kaioshins influence that would normally divide Buu's power and multiply his power. If the Kaioshin's influence is stronger, Buu's power will be divided. Since Good Buu has that Kaioshin influence within him, Pure Evil Buu negated the influence and multiplied his power. That's how I see it anyway.

He got in several good hits and could only one shot hit after using kaioken. For Vegeta... Are you vein serious? I was obviously talking about Vegeta being the stronger one. 18000 vs 8000, more than 2x boost, Goku lives.

Oh, well Vegeta wasn't trying too hard either . Only when Goku used Kaioken x2 did he think oh I better fight a little seriously, then he got screwed over by Kaioken x3.

[dbzfan7]

I don't bother with gaps. They aren't consistent. They can be small but still be a massive difference.

[RandomGuy96]

Captain Ginyu vs Oozaru King Vegeta

Captain Ginyu vs Oozaru King Vegeta and Oozaru Bardock

[Draken]

Captain Ginyu vs Oozaru King Vegeta

Captain Ginyu vs Oozaru King Vegeta and Oozaru Bardock

Ginyu takes one with ease and two with a little trouble depending on which Bardock you're talking about and how much of a zenkai he really got.

[RandomGuy96]

The one that was at slightly less than 10,000.

[RandomGuy96]

New one: had Goku been healthy, could he and Vegeta have beaten Android 18 if they teamed up?

[hleV]

New one: had Goku been healthy, could he and Vegeta have beaten Android 18 if they teamed up?

Only if Goku or Vegeta pull off a really strong energy attack. Genki-Dama, perhaps. Otherwise they're screwed.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta wasn't that far off from 18. 17 said that 18 couldn't handle Vegeta, Piccolo, and Trunks at once and it was never contradicted.

[hleV]

Vegeta wasn't that far off from 18. 17 said that 18 couldn't handle Vegeta, Piccolo, and Trunks at once and it was never contradicted.

Vegeta did nothing to #18. #18 broke Vegeta's arm as if it was nothing. #18's body is too durable, Goku & Vegeta's normal attacks wouldn't do shit. That's why they need a really really powerful energy attack. More powerful that the one Vegeta used.

Othwerise all they can achieve is completely tear #18's clothes so she ends up naked and runs away out of embarassment (fanart plz).

[Kid Buu]

Vegeta wasn't that far off from 18. 17 said that 18 couldn't handle Vegeta, Piccolo, and Trunks at once and it was never contradicted.

17 didn't even know who Trunks was, was #17 even factoring him into the equation?

[RandomGuy96]

I really don't know why the author would try to throw us for a loop by having his characters lie or be wrong for no reason. Doesn't seem like something he'd do. And the characters in story noted that Vegeta was on par with 18 prior to losing stamina and Vegeta + Piccolo + Trunks would be too much for 18, hence why 17 felt it necessary to step in.