Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Nevaeh]

I just hope his screen time isn't as short as it was in Fusion reborn. Now that Broly and possibly Gogeta are canon, when can we expect Cooler to follow ?

Yes I think Cooler will be the next one

Is Cooler even popular? He didn't crack the top 10 in that V-Jump poll we got a few months back

[sintzu]

Is Cooler even popular? He didn't crack the top 10 in that V-Jump poll we got a few months back

He's getting pushed in Heroes and will be a good way to write a Freeza focused story.

If Gogeta Blue is going to be in this movie instead of Ultra Instinct Goku, than they have literally gone INSANE, and i have lost ALL my respect and attention for them. I will NOT be spending ANY money on this piece of trash garbage movie.

That is all.

Luckily for me, nothing has been CONFIRMED yet.

You don’t introduce a new transformation/technique to NOT use it again in the next story arc.

Any decent person who’s been raised well enough by their parents knows this rule.

I guess I haven't benn raised well by my parents then.

Give him time to take it all in and you'll see him lined up opening evening with the rest of us.

[Amir]

Given how Gogeta would be weaker than Ultra Instinct anyways, I think it'd be a neat subversion if Gogeta appears only to fail to be strong enough to take on Broly.

I don't think Blue Gogeta would be weaker than UI Goku, look what fusion did to Kefla. 2 SSJ2 tier characters to almost UI Omen level in power. I think Gogeta would easily beat Broly with low to mid difficulty.

[Xeogran]

I just hope his screen time isn't as short as it was in Fusion reborn. Now that Broly and possibly Gogeta are canon, when can we expect Cooler to follow ?

Yes I think Cooler will be the next one

Is Cooler even popular? He didn't crack the top 10 in that V-Jump poll we got a few months back

Well, he got into FighterZ where all other characters so far are canon

That must mean something in regards to his popularity.

[TheOne]

About the Spoilers...

I've been saying if we get a fusion, we get UI Vegeta at some point. It’s not impossible for Vegeta to gain some knowledge of how UI works by combining bodies with Goku. This could help kickstart Vegetas version of an upgrade. I could see Vegeta deciphering certain things couldn’t. Thoughts?

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Given how Gogeta would be weaker than Ultra Instinct anyways, I think it'd be a neat subversion if Gogeta appears only to fail to be strong enough to take on Broly.

I don't think Blue Gogeta would be weaker than UI Goku, look what fusion did to Kefla. 2 SSJ2 tier characters to almost UI Omen level in power. I think Gogeta would easily beat Broly with low to mid difficulty.

Thing is, if you look into it further you'll see why this actually isn't the case.

Kefla was formed from a fusion with characters just as strong as Goku and Vegeta in equivalent forms AND had a mutated SS2 form. Vegito, who's on a similar level of power in base and equivalent forms, could go SSB; remember that Vegito is a Potara Fusion, a superior fusion method to the Metamoran Fusion Dance, and would be stronger than Gogeta. Despite this, Vegito Blue is only debatably as strong or stronger than a God of Destruction like Beerus.

Jiren is someone who's even stronger than a God of Destruction, yet Ultra Instinct Goku cucked him badly until he awakened his hidden power.

Broly is said to be the strongest opponent yet, said to also have power that may surpass even a God of Destruction. If Vegito, the superior fusion, can only hope to match up to a God of Destruction, Gogeta has absolutely nothing going for him beyond the convenience of not having to use the earrings.

That's why I see Gogeta not accomplishing the task and being weaker than Broly, thus showing that even the power of Fusion Dance isn't enough to take down a threat on the level of if not greater than a God of Destruction, necessitating other means; whether that'd be the superior-to-fusion Ultra Instinct or something else is unknown.

[Sora Saiyan]

So Gogeta.. I’m not surprised so I’m not bothered really.
I just hope he looks like he did in fusion reborn, I don’t want an appearance that resembles the GT version which looks a lot more like Goku.
Anyway, I’d still love if we could get UI in this, and have that be the way that Broly is defeated. I don’t want another fusion having the enemy on the ropes only to time out again, so if it comes to it I’d rather Gogeta get the win.
But needing Gogeta has set a huge goal post which Vegeta and Goku are gonna need to close individually in the future, so maybe a new SSJ form will appear at some point, and UI is end game, or they master UI pretty soon.

[sintzu]

About the Spoilers...

I've been saying if we get a fusion, we get UI Vegeta at some point. It’s not impossible for Vegeta to gain some knowledge of how UI works by combining bodies with Goku. This could help kickstart Vegetas version of an upgrade. I could see Vegeta deciphering certain things couldn’t. Thoughts?

I don't know how Vegeta will get it but I don't think we're that far away from at least seeing him use Omen. If he doesn't in Broly then possibly in Super's first arc when it returns. Your theory makes sense on the surface (they may do it for all we know) but if Goku himself doesn't know how to use it then I don't know how Vegeta could learn it from fusing with him.

[Sora Saiyan]

About the Spoilers...

I've been saying if we get a fusion, we get UI Vegeta at some point. It’s not impossible for Vegeta to gain some knowledge of how UI works by combining bodies with Goku. This could help kickstart Vegetas version of an upgrade. I could see Vegeta deciphering certain things couldn’t. Thoughts?

I didn’t see this post. You know I was thinking the same thing about Vegeta learning UI like that. Maybe they defuse and we get a team work UI. That would be the ultimate fan service! Or like a lot of people were talking about around the ToP, neither can complete it properly yet so they fight together with UIO. I doubt both, but it would be a spectacle.

[TheOne]

About the Spoilers...

I've been saying if we get a fusion, we get UI Vegeta at some point. It’s not impossible for Vegeta to gain some knowledge of how UI works by combining bodies with Goku. This could help kickstart Vegetas version of an upgrade. I could see Vegeta deciphering certain things couldn’t. Thoughts?

I don't know how Vegeta will get it but I don't think we're that far away from at least seeing him use Omen. If he doesn't in Broly then possibly in Super's first arc when it returns. Your theory makes sense on the surface (they may do it for all we know) but if Goku himself doesn't know how to use it then I don't know how Vegeta could learn it from fusing with him.

In some ways, I think Vegeta is smarter than Goku. Especially in the common sense department. Even though Vegeta got spanked by Jiren, he still had a moment where he could see Jirens attacks and Goku couldn’t. I could see Gogeta not working out and Vegeta getting the omen. Or screw it, Vegeta gets Omen and Goku gets MUI to finish Broly.

Take what I said with a grain of salt since it’s mostly Vegeta bias kicking in lol.

[Amir]

Given how Gogeta would be weaker than Ultra Instinct anyways, I think it'd be a neat subversion if Gogeta appears only to fail to be strong enough to take on Broly.

I don't think Blue Gogeta would be weaker than UI Goku, look what fusion did to Kefla. 2 SSJ2 tier characters to almost UI Omen level in power. I think Gogeta would easily beat Broly with low to mid difficulty.

Thing is, if you look into it further you'll see why this actually isn't the case.

Kefla was formed from a fusion with characters just as strong as Goku and Vegeta in equivalent forms AND had a mutated SS2 form. Vegito, who's on a similar level of power in base and equivalent forms, could go SSB; remember that Vegito is a Potara Fusion, a superior fusion method to the Metamoran Fusion Dance, and would be stronger than Gogeta. Despite this, Vegito Blue is only debatably as strong or stronger than a God of Destruction like Beerus.

Jiren is someone who's even stronger than a God of Destruction, yet Ultra Instinct Goku cucked him badly until he awakened his hidden power.

Broly is said to be the strongest opponent yet, said to also have power that may surpass even a God of Destruction. If Vegito, the superior fusion, can only hope to match up to a God of Destruction, Gogeta has absolutely nothing going for him beyond the convenience of not having to use the earrings.

That's why I see Gogeta not accomplishing the task and being weaker than Broly, thus showing that even the power of Fusion Dance isn't enough to take down a threat on the level of if not greater than a God of Destruction, necessitating other means; whether that'd be the superior-to-fusion Ultra Instinct or something else is unknown.

Kefla was formed from Base Kale and Caulifla who are much weaker than base Goku and Vegeta but never mind that, even Kale's berserker form still needed Kale to beat SSJ2 Goku, though I believe she could have done that alone.
I have no idea why you think Vegito is only a bit stronger than Beerus, in the manga he was implied to be stronger without Perfected SSJB and the manga is the manga, not the anime.

I belive Vegito Blue should be much stronger than a GoD based on Kefla who could beat SSJ God in base, and Gogeta should be just as strong as Vegito.
It was never stated that Potara is stronger, just more effective due to the time limit and the fact one user doesn't have to lower his power level to match the other user, but Goku and Vegeta are pretty much equal besides UI so it doesn't matter.

[ricky84]

I mean, Gogeta should have appeared in Future Trunks saga, he would have had fit a role much better in there.

And be botchered such as Vegetto did? I'd rather not. In this movie, we'll be getting Toriyama's vision of Gogeta, which isn't going to be messed up by either the Toei writers or Toyotaro's ideas.

What makes you think Gogeta won't come and go just as fast as Vegito did? Fusions don't get W's under Toriyama

They don't take massive L's either (unless you're Gotenks lol). This means we are gonna get either a (near) even fight like Vegito vs M.Zamasu in the anime, or a heroic stomp that ends with Goku and Vegeta defusing before they could finish off Broly like Vegito vs M.Zamasu in the manga.

[sintzu]

Even though Vegeta got spanked by Jiren, he still had a moment where he could see Jirens attacks and Goku couldn’t. Take what I said with a grain of salt since it’s mostly Vegeta bias kicking in lol.

Whis said he was trying to attain UI so maybe he managed to momentarily tap into it but like you, I'm also biased for Vegeta so I may just be giving him too much credit. Regardless, it's always great to see Vegeta do well.

[ricky84]

Kefla was formed from Base Kale and Caulifla who are much weaker than base Goku and Vegeta but never mind that, even Kale's berserker form still needed Kale to beat SSJ2 Goku, though I believe she could have done that alone.

Caulifla's and Kale's bases are notmuch lower than Goku's and Vegeta's at all. The only reason why base Goku was doing well against SSJ2 Caulifla at first was a skill gap. Once Caulifla started to adapt to Goku's skill level, that forced Goku to use SSJ2 on her, showing that their bases are relative in power. Kale's base in the anime was actually even stronger than that once she gains more confidence. This is because Kale in her normal SSJ1 form from ep.101 and 113 (not the green-hair Mastered Berzerk form from ep.114) was able to tank and trade hits with SSJ2 Goku in ep.113 without too much of a problem. Since SSJ2 is 2 times the power of SSJ1, that would imply that Kale's full base in the anime was at that point about 2x the power of Goku's.

[PFM18]

Not sure how Gogeta is even going to exist since Blue was enough to cripple the Potara's already superior duration time.

Just say Gogeta has 5 minutes and give us a five minute fight. Easy as that

The tournament of power was 48 minutes yet it somehow lasted 35 episodes. Don't forget about the Namek 20 episode 5 minutes. They could easily say the fusion will just last a minute or even less yet have a 5 minute fight.

Well the ToP is a very poor example of this but given that they should be moving FTL and faster than the Freeza stuff, they could easily call it a 5 minute fight and have it last 20

[ricky84]

Even though Vegeta got spanked by Jiren, he still had a moment where he could see Jirens attacks and Goku couldn’t. Take what I said with a grain of salt since it’s mostly Vegeta bias kicking in lol.

Whis said he was trying to attain UI so maybe he managed to momentarily tap into it but like you, I'm also biased for Vegeta so I may just be giving him too much credit. Regardless, it's always great to see Vegeta do well.

Or maybe normal SSB Vegeta was simply a lot more powerful than SSB Goku was from the hour special. That's why he (and Hit) were abled to do much better against Jiren than SSBKK Goku did in ep.109. There's no evidence that either of them tapped into UI at all during either fight.

[ricky84]

Not sure how Gogeta is even going to exist since Blue was enough to cripple the Potara's already superior duration time.

Just say Gogeta has 5 minutes and give us a five minute fight. Easy as that

The tournament of power was 48 minutes yet it somehow lasted 35 episodes. Don't forget about the Namek 20 episode 5 minutes. They could easily say the fusion will just last a minute or even less yet have a 5 minute fight.

Well the ToP is a very poor example of this but given that they should be moving FTL and faster than the Freeza stuff, they could easily call it a 5 minute fight and have it last 20

Wasn't the Vegito vs M.Zamasu fight officially 10 minutes long (and he defused earlier than intended because of the Final Kamehameha)? If so, that's more than enough time to finish a fight with Broly.

[sintzu]

Or maybe normal SSB Vegeta was simply a lot more powerful than SSB Goku was from the hour special. That's why he (and Hit) were abled to do much better against Jiren than SSBKK Goku did in ep.109. There's no evidence that either of them tapped into UI at all during either fight.

We know Vegeta and Hit did better as Hit had his time skip but for Vegeta they never gave an explanation apart from him just "seeing his moves" somehow. I just think it's more logical that he managed to tap into UI but of course it would be a weaker version than the mastered one and Omen. The manag showed that even Roshi has a version of it due to experience so if he can use it then so can Vegeta and that scene helps (I'm using help cause no one said he was using it) prove it.

[PFM18]

Or maybe normal SSB Vegeta was simply a lot more powerful than SSB Goku was from the hour special. That's why he (and Hit) were abled to do much better against Jiren than SSBKK Goku did in ep.109. There's no evidence that either of them tapped into UI at all during either fight.

We know Vegeta and Hit did better as Hit had his time skip but for Vegeta they never gave an explanation apart from him just "seeing his moves" somehow. I just think it's more logical that he managed to tap into UI but of course it would be a weaker version than the mastered one and Omen. The manag showed that even Roshi has a version of it due to experience so if he can use it then so can Vegeta and that scene helps (I'm using help cause no one said he was using it) prove it.

He saw Jiren's moves and predicted that he would do the same thing, also this is the weakest Jiren that we see in the entire tournament as implied by Vegeta. There's really no explanation needed it is very self explanatory

Or screw it, Vegeta gets Omen and Goku gets MUI to finish Broly.

Vegeta getting Omen would look ridiculously good(see my avatar) but I don't think it would fit here yet. I think they should wait until a more narratively fitting moment for them to give Vegeta UI. Also, he should get the attacking side first as a nice contrast to Goku getting the defensive side of it

[MisteryOne]

Gogeta is kind of meh, I wonder if he at least will get some type of redesign (what could they even change trough? Mayhe fit the colors of his clothes with Gotenks?). In the manga version I could buy him being stronger than Broly/ Beerus if he used the mastered version of Blue. But on the anime, he really would need to use UI (unless we suddenly have to imagine Vegetto and Merged Zamasu were stronger than Jiren despite not real evidence at all). UI would actually be better since Blue would waste stamina way too quick, but maybe a fusion of two bodies would even have a harder time keeping the form. Man, they really have excuses to make him lose. And knowing Toriyama, I seriously doubt he will defeat Broly at all. I expect either a complete stomp or more likely, a somehow equal fight with Broly still having the upper hand, then fusion ends.

I seriously hope we can see Gogeta using God too, even if just for a moment to save some stamina. I'm really curious as to how it would look on this style.

Honestly I would rather have something like UI Vegeta, Broly going tecnically undefeated or whatever, but if we are going fanservice mode we may as well go full on it. As long as it looks great and manages to get memorable I will ignore my issues with it.