Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[sintzu]

I think they should wait until a more narratively fitting moment for them to give Vegeta UI.

A Planet Sadal arc would be perfect as he could go up against the king or whoever would be the main villain in it.

[PFM18]

I think they should wait until a more narratively fitting moment for them to give Vegeta UI.

A Planet Sadal arc would be perfect as he could go up against the king or whoever would be the main villain in it.

Yeah pretty much. Something along those lines would work out very well IMO. This movie just isn't a very good fit for Vegeta to get UI and I hope he doesn't.

I just wish they kept the design for UI Omen as the final UI design rather than the silver hair. The Black hair with the silver tint looked so much better

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I do wonder though...... Could Ultra Instinct Omen come back?

I know that Ultra Instinct, the completed version, is the main goal, but the Omen precursor seems like a good compromise that doesn't depend on its completed version either cucking or cucking to Broly, plus it looks so damn good.

After all, Jiren only managed to put pressure on Ultra Instinct Omen Goku because he used his immense power and speed in conjunction with his knowledge on Omen Goku's fighting quirks and inability to properly attack without thought.

[GodVegetto91]

SSJ Blue Gogeta is quite literally USELESS!

Why resort to a much weaker fusion with a much shorter time limit aswell as a non-guarantee success? (I.e. the fusion dance technique can heavily backfire if done the wrong way).

It would quite literally be the dumbest decision by Toei ever made. It just SCREAMS Fanservice.

Vegito is stronger, lasts longer, and can be performed instantly, effortlessy, and with absolutely no drawbacks at all.

Hell, even Vegito lasted for a measly 5 minutes in the Future Trunks Arc, this means Gogeta won’t even last a single minute lmao. Why people even believe he even stands a chance against Broly is permanently beyond me.

Especially when MUI Goku>SSJ Blue Vegito>SSJ Blue Gogeta.

I guess people are just desperate for one of the fusions to become canon JUST BECAUSE, and no other reason.

[RedHeat]

SSJ Blue Gogeta is quite literally USELESS!

Why resort to a much weaker fusion with a much shorter time limit aswell as a non-guarantee success? (I.e. the fusion dance technique can heavily backfire if done the wrong way).

It would quite literally be the dumbest decision by Toei ever made. It just SCREAMS Fanservice.

Vegito is stronger, lasts longer, and can be performed instantly, effortlessy, and with absolutely no drawbacks at all.

Hell, even Vegito lasted for a measly 5 minutes in the Future Trunks Arc, this means Gogeta won’t even last a single minute lmao. Why people even believe he even stands a chance against Broly is permanently beyond me.

Especially when MUI Goku>SSJ Blue Vegito>SSJ Blue Gogeta.

I guess people are just desperate for one of the fusions to become canon JUST BECAUSE, and no other reason.

what's wrong with fanservice?

[Amir]

Kefla was formed from Base Kale and Caulifla who are much weaker than base Goku and Vegeta but never mind that, even Kale's berserker form still needed Kale to beat SSJ2 Goku, though I believe she could have done that alone.

Caulifla's and Kale's bases are notmuch lower than Goku's and Vegeta's at all. The only reason why base Goku was doing well against SSJ2 Caulifla at first was a skill gap. Once Caulifla started to adapt to Goku's skill level, that forced Goku to use SSJ2 on her, showing that their bases are relative in power. Kale's base in the anime was actually even stronger than that once she gains more confidence. This is because Kale in her normal SSJ1 form from ep.101 and 113 (not the green-hair Mastered Berzerk form from ep.114) was able to tank and trade hits with SSJ2 Goku in ep.113 without too much of a problem. Since SSJ2 is 2 times the power of SSJ1, that would imply that Kale's full base in the anime was at that point about 2x the power of Goku's.

Kale's SSJ form is not a normal SSJ form, it still has a different color, so assuming Kale has a stronger base form than Goku's based on that is not so valid, I mean, do you really think Base Kale can do anything against base Goku?

I wasn't talking about Base Goku vs SSJ2 Caulifla, I was talking about the time when both SSJ2 Caulifla and SSJ Kale were teaming up on SSJ2 Goku, and they fought on par, (another reason SSJ Kale is far below SSJ2 Goku) and he managed to hold them off even after she turned green.

Besides, even if Base Kale and base Caulifla are as strong as Base Goku and Vegeta (and they're not), the potara still managed to make Base Kefla stronger than GOD Goku, so Vegito's base should be the same, now imagine how strong his SSJ Form would be, let alone Blue.

[sintzu]

What's wrong with fanservice?

It's unoriginal and in most cases lazy. Thankfully Toriyama has been able to make things work out.

SSJ Blue Gogeta is quite literally USELESS! It would quite literally be the dumbest decision by Toei ever made. It just SCREAMS Fanservice.

Modern DB has been giving us fan service at nearly every turn but Gogeta is where you draw the line ?

I do wonder though...... Could Ultra Instinct Omen come back?

Yes. We know Goku can't use it at will so he may fall into the Omen state again at one point.

[SSJgogeto]

Besides, even if Base Kale and base Caulifla are as strong as Base Goku and Vegeta (and they're not), the potara still managed to make Base Kefla stronger than GOD Goku, so Vegito's base should be the same, now imagine how strong his SSJ Form would be, let alone Blue.

That's hard to know, every Potara fusion have his own rules.

[ricky84]

Kefla was formed from Base Kale and Caulifla who are much weaker than base Goku and Vegeta but never mind that, even Kale's berserker form still needed Kale to beat SSJ2 Goku, though I believe she could have done that alone.

Caulifla's and Kale's bases are notmuch lower than Goku's and Vegeta's at all. The only reason why base Goku was doing well against SSJ2 Caulifla at first was a skill gap. Once Caulifla started to adapt to Goku's skill level, that forced Goku to use SSJ2 on her, showing that their bases are relative in power. Kale's base in the anime was actually even stronger than that once she gains more confidence. This is because Kale in her normal SSJ1 form from ep.101 and 113 (not the green-hair Mastered Berzerk form from ep.114) was able to tank and trade hits with SSJ2 Goku in ep.113 without too much of a problem. Since SSJ2 is 2 times the power of SSJ1, that would imply that Kale's full base in the anime was at that point about 2x the power of Goku's.

Kale's SSJ form is not a normal SSJ form, it still has a different color, so assuming Kale has a stronger base form than Goku's based on that is not so valid, I mean, do you really think Base Kale can do anything against base Goku?

I wasn't talking about Base Goku vs SSJ2 Caulifla, I was talking about the time when both SSJ2 Caulifla and SSJ Kale were teaming up on SSJ2 Goku, and they fought on par, (another reason SSJ Kale is far below SSJ2 Goku) and he managed to hold them off even after she turned green.

Besides, even if Base Kale and base Caulifla are as strong as Base Goku and Vegeta (and they're not), the potara still managed to make Base Kefla stronger than GOD Goku, so Vegito's base should be the same, now imagine how strong his SSJ Form would be, let alone Blue.

Kales SSJ1 is clearly a normal SSJ form. It has the same yellow hair and it was never said to be any different in the show nor in any outside material.

SSJ1 Kale & SSJ2 Caulifla together forced Goku to pull out SSJ3, hell SSJ2 Caulifla alone pushed Goku into SSJ2. So there is no way their bases are way lower than Goku's and Vegeta's.

[ricky84]

Besides, even if Base Kale and base Caulifla are as strong as Base Goku and Vegeta (and they're not), the potara still managed to make Base Kefla stronger than GOD Goku, so Vegito's base should be the same, now imagine how strong his SSJ Form would be, let alone Blue.

That's hard to know, every Potara fusion have his own rules.

Fusion and transformations have the same rules for everyone.

[Lord Beerus]

I dug my own grave.

[ricky84]

I think they should wait until a more narratively fitting moment for them to give Vegeta UI.

A Planet Sadal arc would be perfect as he could go up against the king or whoever would be the main villain in it.

The Broly film itself should take place in U6 Planet Sadala.

[Mister_Popo]

SSJ Blue Gogeta is quite literally USELESS!

Why resort to a much weaker fusion with a much shorter time limit aswell as a non-guarantee success? (I.e. the fusion dance technique can heavily backfire if done the wrong way).

It would quite literally be the dumbest decision by Toei ever made. It just SCREAMS Fanservice.

Vegito is stronger, lasts longer, and can be performed instantly, effortlessy, and with absolutely no drawbacks at all.

Hell, even Vegito lasted for a measly 5 minutes in the Future Trunks Arc, this means Gogeta won’t even last a single minute lmao. Why people even believe he even stands a chance against Broly is permanently beyond me.

Especially when MUI Goku>SSJ Blue Vegito>SSJ Blue Gogeta.

I guess people are just desperate for one of the fusions to become canon JUST BECAUSE, and no other reason.

what's wrong with fanservice?

Moderate fanservice doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if used in excessive ways it can have it's imprint on the quality of the story.
Because you get too much 'obliged' elements that are forced it's way into a story that normally wouldn't be a part of it if.

[Sora Saiyan]

I dug my own grave.

Super in this Broly era will be an entirely different animal when it comes to this stuff. All bets should be off now.

[Issei189]

SSJ Blue Gogeta is quite literally USELESS!

Why resort to a much weaker fusion with a much shorter time limit aswell as a non-guarantee success? (I.e. the fusion dance technique can heavily backfire if done the wrong way).

It would quite literally be the dumbest decision by Toei ever made. It just SCREAMS Fanservice.

Vegito is stronger, lasts longer, and can be performed instantly, effortlessy, and with absolutely no drawbacks at all.

Hell, even Vegito lasted for a measly 5 minutes in the Future Trunks Arc, this means Gogeta won’t even last a single minute lmao. Why people even believe he even stands a chance against Broly is permanently beyond me.

Especially when MUI Goku>SSJ Blue Vegito>SSJ Blue Gogeta.

I guess people are just desperate for one of the fusions to become canon JUST BECAUSE, and no other reason.

This logic you're talking about are just hypothetical fan rules. Gogeta could last for more than 2 minutes or even be useful cause anything goes since AT wrote the script and he can establish a new logic, not us fans.

[SSJgogeto]

Fusion and transformations have the same rules for everyone.

More or less. There's a general rule, but every fusion have their own peculiarities.

[Green_Goblin]

I don't mind if Gogeta will appear, as long as Android 17 and his crazy-idiotic fanservice are out of this one, I'm pleased.

[GodVegetto91]

I dug my own grave.

Nothing has been confirmed yet. So no need to draw to conclusions.

[MonkeyKing16]

I'm more a Vegito guy, but Broly vs Gogeta sounds awesome nevertheless.

[Miracles]

Whether this news will have any bearing on what will happen in the movie or not is still up for query, but I thought I would still drop this tidbit anyway as it may have relevance in the future.

Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC:
[spoiler]Its Broly and Gogeta.[/spoiler]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?