Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[TheOne]

Or maybe normal SSB Vegeta was simply a lot more powerful than SSB Goku was from the hour special. That's why he (and Hit) were abled to do much better against Jiren than SSBKK Goku did in ep.109. There's no evidence that either of them tapped into UI at all during either fight.

We know Vegeta and Hit did better as Hit had his time skip but for Vegeta they never gave an explanation apart from him just "seeing his moves" somehow. I just think it's more logical that he managed to tap into UI but of course it would be a weaker version than the mastered one and Omen. The manag showed that even Roshi has a version of it due to experience so if he can use it then so can Vegeta and that scene helps (I'm using help cause no one said he was using it) prove it.

He saw Jiren's moves and predicted that he would do the same thing, also this is the weakest Jiren that we see in the entire tournament as implied by Vegeta. There's really no explanation needed it is very self explanatory

Or screw it, Vegeta gets Omen and Goku gets MUI to finish Broly.

Vegeta getting Omen would look ridiculously good(see my avatar) but I don't think it would fit here yet. I think they should wait until a more narratively fitting moment for them to give Vegeta UI. Also, he should get the attacking side first as a nice contrast to Goku getting the defensive side of it

It depends on how the plot is for the movie. If there’s a correlation between Saiyan royalty, The creation of S Cells and Vegetas entitlement of being the first ever Super Saiyan In Centuries, then I could see this movie being based off of him and ultimately have him take the spotlight in the end. Very rarely has Goku gotten the W in Super so I can see them continuing this approach.

[Big Black Sayian]

Whether this news will have any bearing on what will happen in the movie or not is still up for query, but I thought I would still drop this tidbit anyway as it may have relevance in the future.

Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC:
[spoiler]Its Broly and Gogeta.[/spoiler]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

[Lord Beerus]

Whether this news will have any bearing on what will happen in the movie or not is still up for query, but I thought I would still drop this tidbit anyway as it may have relevance in the future.

Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC:
[spoiler]Its Broly and Gogeta.[/spoiler]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Or any other version of Broly for that matter?

[Sora Saiyan]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Or any other version of Broly for that matter?

Releasing them together, and around the time of the movie says it all really.

[Miracles]

Whether this news will have any bearing on what will happen in the movie or not is still up for query, but I thought I would still drop this tidbit anyway as it may have relevance in the future.

Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC:
[spoiler]Its Broly and Gogeta.[/spoiler]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Who said any version of Gogeta is going to be in the movie?

[TysonWine]

Whether this news will have any bearing on what will happen in the movie or not is still up for query, but I thought I would still drop this tidbit anyway as it may have relevance in the future.

Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC:
[spoiler]Its Broly and Gogeta.[/spoiler]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

Gogeta, SS4 Gogeta, and Broly are already in the game...

[MainJPW]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Who said any version of Gogeta is going to be in the movie?

Another Gogeta is being added in with another Broly. Take a guess where they may be from.

[Miracles]

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Who said any version of Gogeta is going to be in the movie?

Another Gogeta is being added in with another Broly. Take a guess where they may be from.

The video game...

Whether this news will have any bearing on what will happen in the movie or not is still up for query, but I thought I would still drop this tidbit anyway as it may have relevance in the future.

Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC:
[spoiler]Its Broly and Gogeta.[/spoiler]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

Gogeta, SS4 Gogeta, and Broly are already in the game...

Can't wait to see SS4 Gogeta in the movie too.

[Alruneia]

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Or any other version of Broly for that matter?

Well, there's plenty of Brolies they could add. SS3 Broly, SS4 Broly, Broly Dark, Broly God, Kale... But the options on Gogeta are pretty much exhausted, so it does at the moment seem likely that Broly and Gogeta will both be versions from this upcoming movie, which, of course, would mean that Gogeta appears in the movie.

[TysonWine]

Who said any version of Gogeta is going to be in the movie?

Another Gogeta is being added in with another Broly. Take a guess where they may be from.

The video game...

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

Gogeta, SS4 Gogeta, and Broly are already in the game...

Can't wait to see SS4 Gogeta in the movie too.

You misunderstand. They are ALREADY in the game. A different Broly and Gogeta are being added in the future. Ask yourself why they would add characters who are already in the game, and maybe you'll understand the speculation.

[RecolorSaiyan]

Caulifla's and Kale's bases are notmuch lower than Goku's and Vegeta's at all. The only reason why base Goku was doing well against SSJ2 Caulifla at first was a skill gap. Once Caulifla started to adapt to Goku's skill level, that forced Goku to use SSJ2 on her, showing that their bases are relative in power. Kale's base in the anime was actually even stronger than that once she gains more confidence. This is because Kale in her normal SSJ1 form from ep.101 and 113 (not the green-hair Mastered Berzerk form from ep.114) was able to tank and trade hits with SSJ2 Goku in ep.113 without too much of a problem. Since SSJ2 is 2 times the power of SSJ1, that would imply that Kale's full base in the anime was at that point about 2x the power of Goku's.

Kale's SSJ form is not a normal SSJ form, it still has a different color, so assuming Kale has a stronger base form than Goku's based on that is not so valid, I mean, do you really think Base Kale can do anything against base Goku?

I wasn't talking about Base Goku vs SSJ2 Caulifla, I was talking about the time when both SSJ2 Caulifla and SSJ Kale were teaming up on SSJ2 Goku, and they fought on par, (another reason SSJ Kale is far below SSJ2 Goku) and he managed to hold them off even after she turned green.

Besides, even if Base Kale and base Caulifla are as strong as Base Goku and Vegeta (and they're not), the potara still managed to make Base Kefla stronger than GOD Goku, so Vegito's base should be the same, now imagine how strong his SSJ Form would be, let alone Blue.

Kales SSJ1 is clearly a normal SSJ form. It has the same yellow hair and it was never said to be any different in the show nor in any outside material.

SSJ1 Kale & SSJ2 Caulifla together forced Goku to pull out SSJ3, hell SSJ2 Caulifla alone pushed Goku into SSJ2. So there is no way their bases are way lower than Goku's and Vegeta's.

This isn't a normal ssj form. Like others have said. Kale's forms are not the same golden forms every other saiyan uses. So to say base kale is > base goku based on her transformed state doesn't hold water

[Kenneth La Torre]

Really happy to see a canon gogeta. Who would have believed there would be a day where two overwhelmingly popular movie characters, broly and gogeta, would be canon... i still think we are all in some sort of dream

[Miracles]

Another Gogeta is being added in with another Broly. Take a guess where they may be from.

The video game...

Gogeta, SS4 Gogeta, and Broly are already in the game...

Can't wait to see SS4 Gogeta in the movie too.

You misunderstand. They are ALREADY in the game. A different Broly and Gogeta are being added in the future. Ask yourself why they would add characters who are already in the game, and maybe you'll understand the speculation.

I understand that a different version of said characters are in the game. So people assume "omg Gogeta is in the movie."

[Lord Frieza]

Ok I tried to stay away, I really did, but this site and you lot are just to much fun to be around so I've come crawling back.

On the subject of Kale's forms, this has been giving me a headache. We have now 3 versions of LSS and each one has their own set of unique forms.

Classic Broly has - Restricted, SS, LSS.

Xeno Broly (who just a buffed vesion of Classic) has - LSS3, LSS Golden Oozaru, LSS4, LSS4 Enhanced and Xeno/Dark Dragon Ball mode.

Kale has - a Unquie SS form, LSS/Berserker and Mastered LSS. I don't count Kafla as he forms are a fusion of two transformation branches.

Shin (True) Broly has - Enraged, Shin (True) SS (my name for it) and Full Power/LSS.

Even between two characters in the same series there no conistancy between their transformation branchs, as Shin Broly and Kale's SS forms are noticable different.


Also has anyone noticed that Shin Broly's hair, in all his powered up states, is very.... Goku-ish?

[Kenneth La Torre]

I do hope is not a stomp on gogetas favor, tho its possible if fusion reborn is anything to go by.

[Lord Frieza]

I do hope is not a stomp on gogetas favor, tho its possible if fusion reborn is anything to go by.

I hope so to, Vegito and Zamasu being evenly matched in the anime made form a far better fight then any of the other Goku/Vegeta fusion battles. There is also the issue of the time limit, unless SSB affects the fusion in some unknown way, powering up to that level is going to burn out his fusion time faster then it did for Vegito. But I don't want that to be the reason they don't beat Broly if he's going to lose.


On a side note I hope they get his character right. GT Gogeta is like a bad parody of Vegito, it's like the writers forgot that Vegito only acted that way as a ploy t get absorbed in the first place. Vegito in super is how he acts normally.

I want Super's Gogeta to likewise build on his original apperance's character.

[MainJPW]

I do hope is not a stomp on gogetas favor, tho its possible if fusion reborn is anything to go by.

I wonder if he'll use Stardust Breaker? Like, to purify Broli or whatever.

[RedHeat]

Ok I tried to stay away, I really did, but this site and you lot are just to much fun to be around so I've come crawling back.

On the subject of Kale's forms, this has been giving me a headache. We have now 3 versions of LSS and each one has their own set of unique forms.

Classic Broly has - Restricted, SS, LSS.

Xeno Broly (who just a buffed vesion of Classic) has - LSS3, LSS Golden Oozaru, LSS4, LSS4 Enhanced and Xeno/Dark Dragon Ball mode.

Kale has - a Unquie SS form, LSS/Berserker and Mastered LSS. I don't count Kafla as he forms are a fusion of two transformation branches.

Shin (True) Broly has - Enraged, Shin (True) SS (my name for it) and Full Power/LSS.

Even between two characters in the same series there no conistancy between their transformation branchs, as Shin Broly and Kale's SS forms are noticable different.


Also has anyone noticed that Shin Broly's hair, in all his powered up states, is very.... Goku-ish?

It's a bit confusing, but all incarnations of Broly have the same/similar initial transformations:

1. A-type (Xeno Broly, Alternate Broly, Main timeline/Shin/whatever Broly)
-Restricted form, usually identified by an odd coloration of spiked up hair (purple, blue, black) caused a control device
2. C-type (Kale, Xeno Broly, Alternate Broly, Main timeline Broly)
-Super Saiyan form, identified by a noticeable increase of muscle mass and height with normal golden hair (dark gold in the case of Kale)
3. Berserker Legendary SSJ (Kale, Xeno Broly, Alternate Broly, Main-timeline Broly)
-Normal/uncontrolled form, identified by a massive increase of muscle mass and height with green hair.
3. Mastered Beserker Legendary SSJ (Kale)
-Obtained when when the user fully controls the LSSJ form, identified by a similar height and muscle mass of C-type but with green hair and a massive increase in power.

And the rest belong to Xeno Broly. I guess the issue is Toei/Toriyama isn't willing to give Main Timeline Broly Broly and Kale's forms proper names.

[Lord Frieza]

It's a bit confusing, but all incarnations of Broly have the same/similar initial transformations:

1. A--type (Xeno Broly, Alternate Broly, Main timeline/Shin/whatever Broly)
-Restricted form, usually identified by an odd coloration of spiked up hair (purple, blue, black)
2. C-type (Kale, Xeno Broly, Alternate Broly, Main timeline Broly)
-Super Saiyan form, identified by a noticeable increase of muscle mass and height with normal golden hair (dark gold in the case of Kale)
3. Berserker Legendary SSJ (Kale, Xeno Broly, Alternate Broly, Main-timeline Broly)
-Normal/uncontrolled form, identified by a massive increase of muscle mass and height with green hair.
3. Mastered Beserker Legendary SSJ (Kale)
-Obtained when when the user fully controls the LSSJ form, identified by a similar height and muscle mass of C-type but with green hair and a massive increase in power.

And the rest belong to Xeno Broly. I guess the issue is Toei/Toriyama isn't willing to give Main Timeline Broly Broly and Kale's forms proper names.

Thats also another issue, if they get named at all, none of the names match. I persoanlly think that maybe there is not... how to put this... an exact branch for LSS were Broly and Kale are consirened. Maybe due to genetic differences they got variants of the power. I've had a similur fan theory about Cooler's Super form and Frieza's Golden Form.

Just becuase the standered Saiyan forms follow a specific branch regardless of the user, maybe that dose not hold true for LSS or other races for that matter.

[Mister_Popo]

I do hope is not a stomp on gogetas favor, tho its possible if fusion reborn is anything to go by.

I hope so to, Vegito and Zamasu being evenly matched in the anime made form a far better fight then any of the other Goku/Vegeta fusion battles. There is also the issue of the time limit, unless SSB affects the fusion in some unknown way, powering up to that level is going to burn out his fusion time faster then it did for Vegito. But I don't want that to be the reason they don't beat Broly if he's going to lose.


On a side note I hope they get his character right. GT Gogeta is like a bad parody of Vegito, it's like the writers forgot that Vegito only acted that way as a ploy t get absorbed in the first place. Vegito in super is how he acts normally.

I want Super's Gogeta to likewise build on his original apperance's character.

Original Super Vegito vs Super Buu was never meant to be a real battle, it was very one-sided, because Vegito wasn't really a serious character in the first place: he was the ultimate "joke/parody" of the absorption-fusion-era, in which power levels rose absurdly high. In the anime it almost seemed as if, with adding base Vegito and prolonging the fight, it was somehow serious, but it never was meant to be. The manga made that clear. Gogeta later on became the parody of the parody. Ah well, it was written in the stars he would become canon one day. But against Broly of all people ...