Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Avenged]

Also...



Not to mention Great Ape Goku/Vegeta.Gohan

[RandomGuy96]

Perfect Cell wasn't really huge, nor was any form of Buu. (except for Mr. Buu, I suppose)
Freeza and Vegeta were very small. Piccolo Daimaō was large, but not really stacked so to speak.

Could you give me a few examples? I genuinely feel like I'm missing something obvious.
Are you referring to form 2 Freeza versus Kuririn/Gohan? That's really the only one I can think of at the moment.

Perfect Cell is 2 meters tall and fairly bulky. Fat Buu is nearly seven feet tall and very wide. Super Buu is enormous. I'm pretty sure that if you met anyone of even Cell's size on the street, you'd say he was a huge guy.

Vegeta's strongest form was his largest. Same with Buu. Piccolo Daimao was inhumanly tall and fairly bulky.

Cell, Nappa, Recoome, 2nd form Freeza, 3rd Form Freeza, Spopovich, Raditz, Piccolo, Goku (in the context of his fight with Freeza), Oozaru Goku, Android 16, Oozaru Vegeta, Fat Buu (everyone he fought was tiny compared to him), Ginyu, Super Buu, etc.

Because it's sort of a David and Goliath thing: It's cooler when the hero does it. Freeza was the exception to the rule, not the example to be followed. In most other cases it was Goku or Gohan dealing damage to either a physically larger opponent or one that wore unimaginable strength on their sleeve for everyone to see.

Goku was much larger than Pure Buu and still lost to him, even though Pure Buu was one of the weakest Buu incarnations.

He's tall, but we're talking about muscle mass for the most part, which is why I mentioned Daimaō's height.

I'm not talking exclusively about muscle mass (which super tall people would still have a lot of). Super Buu is eight feet tall and fairly muscular. I'd say he more than counts, as he definitely looks like a big strong guy, not a small weak guy.

[VegettoEX]

A conversation for another thread, please. With these gigantic on-going threads, please try to keep it as on-topic and concise as possible. Thank you!

[EmmaWinters]

I'm not talking exclusively about muscle mass ... Perfect Cell is 2 meters tall and fairly bulky. ... Vegeta's strongest form was his largest. ... Nappa, Recoome, Super Buu, 2nd form Freeza, 3rd Form Freeza, Raditz, Piccolo, Goku (in the context of his fight with Freeza), Android 16, Oozaru Vegeta, Fat Buu (everyone he fought was tiny compared to him), Ginyu, Super Buu, etc.

We're talking about different things then. A lot of Cell's size is due to his head. Vegeta's strongest form is Super Saiyan 2 which is smaller than Grades 2&3. You're listing every big character, not large characters against small characters, which was what we were talking about. Out of your list, only a few apply.

To veer back on topic, and so that my speculation isn't buried:

I wonder if the Ginyu Tokusentai will show up in RoF?
When the postcard turned up, I wrote it off as inconclusive & an unlikely scenario, but their brief mention in Freeza's New Year message is making me question why they're being brought up again. It would be strange to bring them up and then ignore them in the final product. It also has me wondering if the "immortality" thing will be relevant.

[EXBadguy]

An Japanese idol group doing a song for the movie? Uh, Ewww! Who the hell ask for them? I hope the song "F" will crush them and stand out as one of the best in Japan, becuz it really does fit the series. Sure, it isn't Dragon Ball like, but it SURE IS Dragon Ball Z like with all the anger and crazy action going on, cuz as we all know, DBZ sets a different tone than DB and other genres like rock symbolizes DBZ for the rest of the world, excluding Japan, that is.

And NO I'm not a misogynist or sexist. I just don't think these Idol groups fit for DBZ, maybe for DB, but NOT Z! Most of these idol groups sound too damn happy for my taste.

[EmmaWinters]

An Japanese idol group doing a song for the movie? Uh, Ewww! ... I just don't think these Idol groups fit for DBZ, maybe for DB, but NOT Z! Most of these idol groups sound too damn happy for my taste.

Dragon Ball has plenty of poppy/feminine songs.
From what I've heard of their catalog, I think Momoiro Clover Z are going to do a great job.

[RandomGuy96]

We're talking about different things then. A lot of Cell's size is due to his head. Vegeta's strongest form is Super Saiyan 2 which is smaller than Grades 2&3. You're listing every big character, not large characters against small characters, which was what we were talking about. Out of your list, only a few apply.

Changing threads: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=29044

[EXBadguy]

An Japanese idol group doing a song for the movie? Uh, Ewww! ... I just don't think these Idol groups fit for DBZ, maybe for DB, but NOT Z! Most of these idol groups sound too damn happy for my taste.

Dragon Ball has plenty of poppy/feminine songs.
From what I've heard of their catalog, I think Momoiro Clover Z are going to do a great job.

They better amaze me, cuz I DO NOT trust Idol groups at all, they really do ruin some of the anime tones and I'm afraid it might ruin DBZ's serious and dangerous tone, which "F" is doing a good job at, maintaining its tone(...and going back to them old Funi days. Yeah, come at me!). The only "poppy" song I like regarding the series is Dragon Soul, other than that, NO WAY! DBZ's too "manly" to have super "poppy" songs.

So yeah, COME AT ME WEABOOS! And I'm no Westaboo, cuz I do like Kenji Yammamoto.

[EmmaWinters]

"F" is doing a good job at, maintaining its tone.

The little we know is very lighthearted:
Freeza trains for the first time ever, Kuririn gets a job, Gohan loses his dōgi and has to fight in a tracksuit.
The only "dark" aspect is the promise of despair, which has yet to be expounded on.

This movie won't open up to an Attack on Titan vibe, it'll be similar to Battle of Gods for at least the first quarter.

[EXBadguy]

This movie won't open up to an Attack on Titan vibe, it'll be similar to Battle of Gods for at least the first quarter.

Which sucks, cuz most of the DBZ movies had a AoT vibe most of the time, and was disappointed that BoG didn't deliver that and the lightheartedness turned many people off(I know some fans who despise BoG cuz of that). Now I loved Battle of Gods, but watching through half of it felt like watching a little kid show with mild sexual humor(I know the series is for kids and teens, but still). The earlier movies didn't have that. Hopefully if there is a sequel of this, Toriyama takes the backseat when it comes to story and atmosphere since he says that he's only doing light-hearted themes now.

[Chuquita]

What's frustrating is the lack of plot info about this movie. They're so much tighter with the leaks this time around. I want something like those not-spoilery-yet-conversation-starting WCF figures were had from BOG back in December of '12.

[Black Hawk]

This movie won't open up to an Attack on Titan vibe, it'll be similar to Battle of Gods for at least the first quarter.

And on that day, the Saiyans received a grim reminder...

*cue music*

Seid ihr das Saiyan?
Nein, wir sind der Freeza!

[MagicBox]

I'm not sure why 「F」 is such a hangup for some of us. It's an insert song, not a score.

I know this isn't particularly directed at me, but I wanted to clarify my opinion a little more since I feel partly responsible for steering the conversation in this direction.

I wouldn't say I'm "hung-up" on "F." I'm merely surprised by how well the song has been received, especially in a community whose majority seems to decry something that might go against the musical tone that's been established for this series over nearly three decades. Hell, we groan when we think about the pop idols. Here we have this hard-metal song created by fans as a tribute to the series. I listened to it back in 2008 and never cared for it. I thought it was obnoxious, I thought it was exhausting, I couldn't stand the screaming, etc. I don't dislike the genre; I just dislike the song. I listened to it again when we found out it had been licensed for "Revival Of F;" I still hated it. I don't think it suits the series (or Freeza) at all. I know that this isn't the exact same situation, but I still can't help but think of what FUNimation did to DBZ movies 04 and 05: licensing random metal songs for use in a Dragon Ball film. Which everyone hated in principle and practice. Now we have another random metal song being licensed for a Dragon Ball film, and fans seem... pretty okay with it? Everyone seems to like it. Everyone seems to think it fits. The Kanzenshuu staff was wishing for it to appear in the film on the podcast. I guess the main difference here is that "F" has endorsement from the original creator, but it's a creator whose judgment has been called into question by even the most dedicated fans in recent years.

I was simply surprised.

And don't get me wrong. The song could fit depending on how it's used in the film. It's all about the execution. But we haven't seen the execution yet. All we have is an announcement that a random metal song has been licensed for a Dragon Ball film. But as I've said before, I'm being very optimistic about this movie. Sure, I'm not crazy about this one song, but we're talking about two minutes of screentime at most. I've always kept this stuff in perspective. I guess I should just be grateful that everybody's being so open-minded about something for once. That's rare in any fan community. And really, who am I to rain on everyone's parade?

So yeah, COME AT ME WEABOOS! And I'm no Westaboo, cuz I do like Kenji Yammamoto.

Opinions are fine, but that seems needlessly confrontational right out of the gate...

[Chuquita]

I wonder if at least they'll update the character page on the DB15 site this month.

[EXBadguy]

I wouldn't say I'm "hung-up" on "F." I'm merely surprised by how well the song has been received, especially in a community whose majority seems to decry something that might go against the musical tone that's been established for this series over nearly three decades.

Which everyone hated in principle and practice.

What community you talkin' about? If anything, it's just 65% of the Kanzenshuu and the "passionate" (or as some would call weaboos) fans hate it cuz it didn't fit the happy DB musical tone and overzealously believe that Z is part of DB. Everybody else either loved the soundtrack for fitting for the movie atmospheres, the movie villains and crazy action or didn't mind it at all.

[So yeah, COME AT ME WEABOOS! And I'm no Westaboo, cuz I do like Kenji Yammamoto.

Opinions are fine, but that seems needlessly confrontational right out of the gate...

Oh? Ruffled some feather, didn't I? Just saiyan.

[MagicBox]

Oh? Ruffled some feather, didn't I? Just saiyan.

My feathers weren't ruffled, and this is hardly productive. I was just saying that the name-calling came out of nowhere and seemed to distract from your point. It just stood out as overly defensive in what has (thus far) been a very civil discussion. But that's neither here nor there, and I don't want to hijack the thread on something so minor.

I know Chuquita's anxious to see what Goku and Vegeta are up to, but I'd say I'm even more curious about some of the characters that we haven't even seen yet. Yamcha and Chaozu, for example. I'm very excited that Tenshinhan and Muten Roshi seem to be so involved, but I can't help but wonder where the rest of the gang is. Maybe we'll see everyone fighting various henchmen at different places.

[Kamiccolo9]

So yeah, COME AT ME WEABOOS! And I'm no Westaboo, cuz I do like Kenji Yammamoto.

What community you talkin' about? If anything, it's just 65% of the Kanzenshuu and the "passionate" (or as some would call weaboos) fans hate it

Tanooki Kuribo: Maybe I'm old, out of the loop, or just not hip anymore. But what's "weeaboos" ?!
Herms: It's a term used by a certain breed of internet half-wit against those with the audacity to point out that the Japanese show said half-wit likes happens to be Japanese.

[Saiga]

That description by Herms never made sense to me. Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[EXBadguy]

Tanooki Kuribo: Maybe I'm old, out of the loop, or just not hip anymore. But what's "weeaboos" ?!
Herms: It's a term used by a certain breed of internet half-wit against those with the audacity to point out that the Japanese show said half-wit likes happens to be Japanese.

If you say so.

My feathers weren't ruffled, and this is hardly productive. I was just saying that the name-calling came out of nowhere and seemed to distract from your point. It just stood out as overly defensive in what has (thus far) been a very civil discussion. But that's neither here nor there, and I don't want to hijack the thread on something so minor.

My bad for my outburst. I just find it a bit strange that some people staunchly believe Z should have a similar light tone to DB, cuz it actually didn't...until the Buu saga. And I'm not just talking about the soundtrack, I'm talking about the current movies in general. Even though we know little about the plot, so far I'm disappointed that this movie isn't taking the semi-dark tone that the earlier ones had(prior to BoG). If this movie has the same tone as BoG, people are gonna tell Toriyama to go into pasture, since he isn't doing dark themes anymore. To me, that's what made the DB series stand out(King Piccolo-Cell).

[Chuquita]

I know Chuquita's anxious to what Goku and Vegeta are up to, but I'd say I'm even more curious about some of the characters that we haven't even seen yet. Yamcha and Chaozu, for example. I'm very excited that Tenshinhan and Muten Roshi seem to be so involved, but I can't help but wonder where the rest of the gang is. Maybe we'll see everyone fighting various henchmen at different places.

I'm also curious about the cast we haven't seen yet. Missing-wise, Trunks and Goten have me wondering most. Are they missing because Toei didn't want to spoil that they're teenagers now, or ate they missing for plot reasons?