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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:41 am

Well, Bra's age wasn't mentioned in the original manga, so her age can be retconned in Super & have her born in Age 781.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by PMD » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:15 am

Even though I really liked Toyotaro's work, that's about the only good thing in this new number. Overall I think it was pretty meh. All the conversations about present and time paradox was super lame and random... Why EVERYBODY is talking about it before Trunks arrival? I get they're kind of shocked by Hit's technique, but that's not enough to explain that even the teacher was talking about that. Very, very lame. They can do better than that.

Also, one manga = one episode of the arc? C'mon... I'm very dissapointed, aside of Toyotaro's amazing drawings. I don't get all the hype with this new number. We have to rise our standards, fellas.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Noah » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:52 am

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Noah wrote:Damn, I wished Mirai Bulma's death was showed the same way Dr. Gero killed that civilian :(
If Toyotaro shown her death in this chapter, it would have definitely been very dark!
It could be nice.
ryou766 wrote:If there's one thing I love about Toyotaro, is that he delivers proper explanations to things Toei failed to do.
Let's not get too carried away, is not like Toyotaro explained a ton of important stuff at all. Better not forget we still don't know how strong is Base post God Saiyans, SSJ, SSGSS and why Goku became a SSJG again against Hit.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by sangofe » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:18 pm

PMD wrote:We have to smile and just enjoy , fellas :-)
Being irritated and angry helps nobody so I changed your quote for you. Enjoy and chillax, dude ;-)

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Post by dhaval_dongre » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:27 pm

Sodhi wrote:I dont know what is people's obsession to get everything explained.All info we really needed was trunks going back 17 years. Don't get me wrong I like things explained too, but sometimes it is good to leave things alone. It really gets annoying when you have to be spoon fed everything, like when I saw the anime I got that trunks machine was set the same as last time he came which was 17 years. Unless something creates a plothiole or is a new lore, we dont need to be explained every freaking thing. We have watched the series you know, we are not dumb.This is why whenever in anime or the manga they try to remind us shit what we as a fan already know,pissies me off.Otherwise good manga chapter, still prefer the anime version though.Oh and also awesome artwork, toyotaro did a really good job, great job actually.
You just took the words out of my mouth. I was just about to talk about that. The chapter was nice. But It sometimes irritates me when people say that the manga is way superior than the anime just because it does somethings better than the anime, but completely ignore the fact that the mangaka or the manga artist has the anime to refer to as the anime is way ahead, while also stating that the anime was bad.This was something that I saw especially on r/dbz. Personally I prefer the anime version but that doesn't mean the chapter was bad or mediocre by any means. I think the reason people think like that is particularly because Toei messed up the 2 adaptation of the 2 movies because of bad scheduling and as a consequence the early part of the U6 arc was also affected. I definitely think the first half of the U6 arc before the Vegeta vs Magetta fight was better in the manga hands down than the anime, but from there onwards the anime was superior. In case of the Trunks arc, after giving it some thought I definitely think the anime was better. There are also some talented people working at Toei. #47 was solid. Blacks revelation in it was also great and I loved the throwback to Dragon Ball regarding Master Roshi's training. So far all the 6 episodes of the arc have been solid IMO. But props to Toyotaro he did a good job nonetheless.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by kinisking » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:54 pm

*manga does like 2 things better. *anime does like 5 things better. Some people: Mangas sooooo much better.
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Post by ryou766 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:12 pm

Just now realized Goku's gi is kanji-less, similar to his gi in the Boo arc.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:16 pm

ryou766 wrote:Just now realized Goku's gi is kanji-less, similar to his gi in the Boo arc.
I liked his Buu Saga gi best so I'm happy about that.
Just wish Vegeta went back to his Buu outfit.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Neon Z » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:47 pm

PMD wrote:Even though I really liked Toyotaro's work, that's about the only good thing in this new number. Overall I think it was pretty meh. All the conversations about present and time paradox was super lame and random... Why EVERYBODY is talking about it before Trunks arrival? I get they're kind of shocked by Hit's technique, but that's not enough to explain that even the teacher was talking about that. Very, very lame. They can do better than that.
Well, technically it's Jaco that starts the whole conversation, and, in addition to Hit, it also seems to happen due to him learning about Bulma experimenting with something related to time travel, a coincidence that's around in both anime and manga.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:11 pm

Love how the manga skips all that SS Satan and Copy-Vegeta bullcrap...

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Miracles » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:48 pm

kinisking wrote:*manga does like 2 things better. *anime does like 5 things better. Some people: Mangas sooooo much better.
I know....With me though; Anime is better when it triumphs the manga, manga when it outdoes the anime.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Mazingerdestro » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:48 am

Sometimes I really think that some people began db from super that's why they expect stuff dbfans don't really want or care about.

In my opinion, you can't understand something fully if you don't check everything.

Stuff like "why don't they explain power levels or powers" sounds weird since db is not about facts but the adventure. Only fans overanalyse power levels. In general, Toriyama never cared. If you watch db and expect textbook explanations then I think you should read op. Oda overanalyses everything to the point of ruining the mystery of the adventure but if that's what you enjoy, I advise people to read it and drop db.


Also about Manga vs anime this week, I am 50-50. Ignoring the "Manga and anime present stuff differently and focus on different stuff" debate, both were great. Toyotaro focused on building the mood and the anime focused on presenting Trunks back to story and "the Goku" parts of the story. In general, I think Toyotaro has a soft spot for Goku, like most fans.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by PMD » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:41 am

sangofe wrote:
PMD wrote:We have to smile and just enjoy , fellas :-)
Being irritated and angry helps nobody so I changed your quote for you. Enjoy and chillax, dude ;-)
Haha I'll take it. But I'm not irritated or angry, at all. I don't know where that assumption came from.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

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TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:Love how the manga skips all that SS Satan and Copy-Vegeta bullcrap...
Well that is a given, the Manga is in a monthly schedule , if they did stuff like that the anime would be 2 arcs ahead, probably why they decided to skip the Freeza arc.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chelentano » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:28 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:Love how the manga skips all that SS Satan and Copy-Vegeta bullcrap...
Well that is a given, the Manga is in a monthly schedule , if they did stuff like that the anime would be 2 arcs ahead, probably why they decided to skip the Freeza arc.
I don't think that those two cases are comparable. Freezer arc it's an important part of the new story, with the SSB an all, Copy-Vegeta it's most likely Toei's filler.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by OLKv3 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:11 pm

Chelentano wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:Love how the manga skips all that SS Satan and Copy-Vegeta bullcrap...
Well that is a given, the Manga is in a monthly schedule , if they did stuff like that the anime would be 2 arcs ahead, probably why they decided to skip the Freeza arc.
I don't think that those two cases are comparable. Freezer arc it's an important part of the new story, with the SSB an all, Copy-Vegeta it's most likely Toei's filler.
But the Freeza arc already has a movie, same with the BoG arc. I think the manga should have just started with the tournament, it was a waste to summarize the BoG arc again

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by kinisking » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:36 pm

Miracles wrote:
kinisking wrote:*manga does like 2 things better. *anime does like 5 things better. Some people: Mangas sooooo much better.
I know....With me though; Anime is better when it triumphs the manga, manga when it outdoes the anime.
I actually don't like my original post. It was in a moment of anger and comes off as very biased and uncaring of other people's opinions. That being said, I am a little surprised at episode 47's treatment once the manga chapter came out. Imo it was a good episode and is severely underrated.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by jplaya2023 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:56 pm

just read the chapter, and i'm kinda confused.

How long until after he killed the androids to when black attacks? roughly 15 years right? How come there still newspapers talking about android defeat? Wouldn't the papers speak about dabura and babidee being defeated?

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Xeztin » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:58 pm

jplaya2023 wrote:just read the chapter, and i'm kinda confused.

How long until after he killed the androids to when black attacks? roughly 15 years right? How come there still newspapers talking about android defeat? Wouldn't the papers speak about dabura and babidee being defeated?
Could just be old papers from destroyed houses, and I don't think Dabura or Babidi really caused a big uproar in the public.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by PMD » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:04 pm

jplaya2023 wrote:just read the chapter, and i'm kinda confused.

How long until after he killed the androids to when black attacks? roughly 15 years right? How come there still newspapers talking about android defeat? Wouldn't the papers speak about dabura and babidee being defeated?
Nah, it's just something convenient to the story.

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