Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:35 pm

A bit off-topic from what you guys have been talking about:


Kaoru Takamura seems to be getting more time than usual. Going from 69-77, thats 8 weeks. and with the 1 week off, thats 9. and if she's gonna be working on episode 78, That would be 10 weeks! i wonder what she would be able pull off.

Although she doesn't seem to provide KA on any of her own episodes. the last time she did was on episode 42.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:41 pm

Ajay wrote:Since the dub just began, I've decided to use that as an opportunity to make my way through the earlier episodes of Super in my video series.
For those who are interested, I've covered the first four episodes in one big video.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:38 pm

iAnimationLover_ wrote:A bit off-topic from what you guys have been talking about:


Kaoru Takamura seems to be getting more time than usual. Going from 69-77, thats 8 weeks. and with the 1 week off, thats 9. and if she's gonna be working on episode 78, That would be 10 weeks! i wonder what she would be able pull off.

Although she doesn't seem to provide KA on any of her own episodes. the last time she did was on episode 42.
Takamura's a woman?
Anyways, yeah, Takamura has generally been used as a support supervisor so they've never gotten much time between episodes so the growing amount of time since episode 69 makes me really think we might see Takamura lead an episode for the first time, I even put Takamura as the supervisor for 78 on my prediction list. Takamura has animated a few times on Super, 42, 56 and 66, I imagine they just don't animate much because their role has been one of support so they focus on corrections over animation, if they lead an episode then we'll probably see more animation from them.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:18 am

ArchedThunder wrote: Takamura's a woman?
I think so :lol:


Anyway, what do you guys think of Shida's cut on episode #774 of one piece?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Gashif Aldi » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:24 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: Takamura's a woman?
I think so :lol:


Anyway, what do you guys think of Shida's cut on episode #774 of one piece?
Short. But, I wish he offer that kind of Quality for Super atleast 1 minute. That 1 cut is super dynamic.

I hope he's in the OP. But, I doubt it.

Is Shida a DB fan? Lol.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:46 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:I wish he offer that kind of Quality for Super atleast 1 minute. That 1 cut is super dynamic.
Anyone who works on super will not be able to create animation of his/her usual standards unless a miracle happens. (sucks doesnt it?)

Is Shida a DB fan? Lol.
I'm not sure, but Ootsuka is ( I think)

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Gashif Aldi » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:54 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:I wish he offer that kind of Quality for Super atleast 1 minute. That 1 cut is super dynamic.
Anyone who works on super will not be able to create animation of his/her usual standards unless a miracle happens. (sucks doesnt it?)

Is Shida a DB fan? Lol.
I'm not sure, but Ootsuka is ( I think)
That hurts so bad.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Alee9977 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:02 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:
iAnimationLover_ wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:I wish he offer that kind of Quality for Super atleast 1 minute. That 1 cut is super dynamic.
Anyone who works on super will not be able to create animation of his/her usual standards unless a miracle happens. (sucks doesnt it?)

Is Shida a DB fan? Lol.
I'm not sure, but Ootsuka is ( I think)
That hurts so bad.
I think it is hard that you are a fan of your own work, he was an animator during all DB and DBZ so it's like you are the one who created it and you aren't a real fan but you do appreciate it in a way, the same might happen with Yamamuro, Tate and Shimanuki. They all worked and were the creators of the anime in a way. Unlike Otsuka, who never worked in old DB.
Maybe they are fans of the manga.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:32 am

Yamamuro, Tate, Shida, and Shimanuki are all fans of Dragon Ball. Other wise they wouldn't be either stuck with the franchise for 30 years or put much love into work.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:43 am

Shida probably never would have touched Super with its troubled production unless he was a fan. I imagine Dragon Ball holds a very special place in Shida's heart because of his history with the franchise.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Gashif Aldi » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:50 am

And, is it possible for another Studio to borrow an animator from another Studio?
But, I doubt it if there's any Studio that would do that.
Because, I've never seen Shida being borrowed by a Studio like Madhouse, Kyo Ani , etc.

But, is it actually possible to do that?
Do they must have a relationship with the other studios?

Btw... I hope Dragon Ball Super attracted more freelancers. Shuichi Iseki was like the only freelancers there, maybe showing some love for DB. But, maybe the Chara Designs and Schedule are under great pressure for them young talented animators.

I mean, really. DB is a world-famous show. But, these amazing animators worked on a show that most people don't know.

P.S KyoAni is just for an example. Since I don't know that much Studio.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:38 pm

Gashif Aldi wrote:And, is it possible for another Studio to borrow an animator from another Studio?
But, I doubt it if there's any Studio that would do that.
Because, I've never seen Shida being borrowed by a Studio like Madhouse, Kyo Ani , etc.

But, is it actually possible to do that?
Do they must have a relationship with the other studios?

Btw... I hope Dragon Ball Super attracted more freelancers. Shuichi Iseki was like the only freelancers there, maybe showing some love for DB. But, maybe the Chara Designs and Schedule are under great pressure for them young talented animators.

I mean, really. DB is a world-famous show. But, these amazing animators worked on a show that most people don't know.
It is possible. In fact it has been happened before. Hayashi Yuuki, a Toei animator has worked on Kekkai Sensen which was produced by Studio Bones for example. It happened cause Matsumoto Rie, the series director had connections with him. They worked together before on Kyousougiga.

Shida also did some stuff for some Madhouse show which I'm forgetting. Tate as well as a lot of Toei aces popped up on Casshern Sins, a Madhouse anime lead by Yama'uchi and Umakoshi both having strong ties to Toei Animation.

Key word is connections. If the production assistant or episode director or series director or anyone from the staff has connections with the animator he'll definitely show up. Most of them are freelancers and a studio is just where they're given desks to draw. That's it. Of course, KyoAni is the exception because they don't rely on freelancers.

Super doesn't get good freelancers cause of reasons you already know. It is a mess with scheduling issues and with good freelance as well as some of Toei's in-house talent busy working on other projects which are in a much better place to work at Super doesn't get any love.

Hayashi never worked after #2, Watanabe didn't after lackluster key animation work for OP, Oonishi didn't either after #14, Kaizawa left, Chioka left, Hatano rarely does anything. These are people in demand and they don't want to work in DBS. Iseki also probably never came back cause he had projects to work at which are produced in a better environment.

Animators don't care about popularity. They like to draw and what they like to draw is the best project for them. Look at the PreCure franchise. The staff loves it. They're passionate about it and their work is outstanding mostly.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Noah » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:32 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Yamamuro, Tate, Shida, and Shimanuki are all fans of Dragon Ball. Other wise they wouldn't be either stuck with the franchise for 30 years or put much love into work.
Did Shida worked in DB, Z, GT back then?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by emperior » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:46 pm

I still wonder why Shuichi Iseki hasn't shown up again. Also, wouldn't hiring more freelancers more frequently help Super's production?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by SaiyanGod117 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:59 pm

Noah wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Yamamuro, Tate, Shida, and Shimanuki are all fans of Dragon Ball. Other wise they wouldn't be either stuck with the franchise for 30 years or put much love into work.
Did Shida worked in DB, Z, GT back then?
Yes, he's done a lot of work for DB series before Super.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Yomi » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:33 pm

People often praise GT for its animation, but I've never really noticed anything impressive.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Noah » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:45 pm

Yomi wrote:People often praise GT for its animation, but I've never really noticed anything impressive.
Nothing really impressive but it is quite consistent , on-model and the art is leagues better than Super.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:53 pm

Noah wrote:
Yomi wrote:People often praise GT for its animation, but I've never really noticed anything impressive.
Nothing really impressive but it is quite consistent , on-model and the art is leagues better than Super.
Yeah, it's definitely not packed full of actual animation, but outside of Uchiyama's episodes that somehow got worse, it's remarkably polished every episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by HeroR » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:14 pm

Ajay wrote:
Noah wrote: Nothing really impressive but it is quite consistent , on-model and the art is leagues better than Super.
Yeah, it's definitely not packed full of actual animation, but outside of Uchiyama's episodes that somehow got worse, it's remarkably polished every episode.
Can't agree on the art being better than Super. I find the art to be very bad in GT. Well, more like the color palette is terrible.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:22 pm

HeroR wrote:Can't agree on the art being better than Super. I find the art to be very bad in GT. Well, more like the color palette is terrible.
So... not the art, then? :P

In terms of strict adherence to character sheets, GT is very much more consistent than Super. That much is measurable.

But yeah, the colour design in GT is not great. Very edgy 90's nonsense.
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