Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Lord Frieza]

I do hope is not a stomp on gogetas favor, tho its possible if fusion reborn is anything to go by.

I hope so to, Vegito and Zamasu being evenly matched in the anime made form a far better fight then any of the other Goku/Vegeta fusion battles. There is also the issue of the time limit, unless SSB affects the fusion in some unknown way, powering up to that level is going to burn out his fusion time faster then it did for Vegito. But I don't want that to be the reason they don't beat Broly if he's going to lose.


On a side note I hope they get his character right. GT Gogeta is like a bad parody of Vegito, it's like the writers forgot that Vegito only acted that way as a ploy t get absorbed in the first place. Vegito in super is how he acts normally.

I want Super's Gogeta to likewise build on his original apperance's character.

Original Super Vegito vs Super Buu was never meant to be a real battle, it was very one-sided, because Vegito wasn't really a serious character in the first place: he was the ultimate "joke/parody" of the absorption-fusion-era, in which power levels rose absurdly high. In the anime it almost seemed as if, with adding base Vegito and prolonging the fight, it was somehow serious, but it never was meant to be. The manga made that clear however. Gogeta later on became the parody of the parody. Ah well, it was written in the stars he would become canon one day. But against Broly of all people ...

Oh I'm awaire that Vegito's Battle with Buu is one big joke. But what I mean is narrativley speaking Vegito has a reason to act that way along with it being a good laugh at just how absurd things were getting.

[Mister_Popo]

I hope so to, Vegito and Zamasu being evenly matched in the anime made form a far better fight then any of the other Goku/Vegeta fusion battles. There is also the issue of the time limit, unless SSB affects the fusion in some unknown way, powering up to that level is going to burn out his fusion time faster then it did for Vegito. But I don't want that to be the reason they don't beat Broly if he's going to lose.


On a side note I hope they get his character right. GT Gogeta is like a bad parody of Vegito, it's like the writers forgot that Vegito only acted that way as a ploy t get absorbed in the first place. Vegito in super is how he acts normally.

I want Super's Gogeta to likewise build on his original apperance's character.

Original Super Vegito vs Super Buu was never meant to be a real battle, it was very one-sided, because Vegito wasn't really a serious character in the first place: he was the ultimate "joke/parody" of the absorption-fusion-era, in which power levels rose absurdly high. In the anime it almost seemed as if, with adding base Vegito and prolonging the fight, it was somehow serious, but it never was meant to be. The manga made that clear however. Gogeta later on became the parody of the parody. Ah well, it was written in the stars he would become canon one day. But against Broly of all people ...

Oh I'm awaire that Vegito's Battle with Buu is one big joke. But what I mean is narrativley speaking Vegito has a reason to act that way along with it being a good laugh at just how absurd things were getting.

Exactly. The appearance of Vegito against Buu and Merged Zamasu in those arcs did make sense from a narrative point of view, even considering it was rather amusing. But where do they draw the line if they start to use it against non-fusion-characters? That was my point. They basically always have to use Vegito or Gogeta against a much stronger opponent if the stakes are high, and in that case there is no 'excuse' anymore for not over-using Gogeta in the same way as Gotrunks.

[Lord Frieza]

Indeed. It's like what you are saying. The appearance of Vegito against Buu and Merged Zamasu in those arcs did make sense from a narrative point of view, even considering it was rather amusing. But where do they draw the line if they start using it against non-fusion-characters? That was my point.

Well they did consider doing so against Beerus but the power gap was to big so they chose not to. Also Gogeta's iconic foe is Janemba, a none fusion enemy.

There are no real rules about how or when fusion should be used, apart from if Goku and Vegeta can agree they have no other option. A good way to make it intreatsing is if they make Broly's "constanly growing stonger" thing offical. It's something thats been suggested and speculated but never offically stated. If Full Power Broly just keeps getting stronger and stronger, which would make Black's Super Zenkai look like a joke btw, they will be in an even worse spot then they were with Jiren who had a set power level.

A truly broken, hax power like that is moren then a good enough reason to fuse.

[precita]

Just heard the news, seems the nostalgia fest continues. It does seem like they're just canonizing all the popular forms or villains.

Cooler and Janemba are probably going to become canon next.

[Mister_Popo]

Indeed. It's like what you are saying. The appearance of Vegito against Buu and Merged Zamasu in those arcs did make sense from a narrative point of view, even considering it was rather amusing. But where do they draw the line if they start using it against non-fusion-characters? That was my point.

Well they did consider doing so against Beerus but the power gap was to big so they chose not to. Also Gogeta's iconic foe is Janemba, a none fusion enemy.

There are no real rules about how or when fusion should be used, apart from if Goku and Vegeta can agree they have no other option. A good way to make it intreatsing is if they make Broly's "constanly growing stonger" thing offical. It's something thats been suggested and speculated but never offically stated. If Full Power Broly just keeps getting stronger and stronger, which would make Black's Super Zenkai look like a joke btw, they will be in an even worse spot then they were with Jiren who had a set power level.

A truly broken, hax power like that is moren then a good enough reason to fuse.

Where was Vegito or even Gogeta Blue against Jiren? Beerus wanted to spare the rings till the end, but the risk of being eliminated against Jiren before that was way too high not to risk it any sooner ...
Against Beerus Gogeta or Vegito would have been logical as well, Goku could only sense how powerful Beerus was after he had obtained God-Ki and only then he knew Vegito SSJ2/SSJ3 probably wasn't an option, before that fusion was a sensible solution, more because it was unclear how the ritual would turn out.

You can always go fusion if a new extremely strong new foe shows up to test the waters, it's not that highly original.

I just want to point out, it sets the gate open to fusion-glory anytime anyhow. I rather have it speared for some very rare occasions.

Don't want to be too grumpy too soon ... let's first see if it really is in the movie, and then, if it's really well executed, it could still be fun.

[MainJPW]

Just heard the news, seems the nostalgia fest continues. It does seem like they're just canonizing all the popular forms or villains.

Cooler and Janemba are probably going to become canon next.

I wouldn't mind Janemba, his fighting style was pretty cool. If they do more with his matter and reality manipulation he'd be pretty awesome.

[Lord Frieza]

Where was Vegito or even Gogeta Blue against Jiren? Beerus wanted to spare the rings till the end, but the risk of being eliminated against Jiren before that was way too high not to risk it any sooner ...
Against Beerus Gogeta or Vegito would have been logical as well, Goku could only sense how powerful Beerus was after he had obtained God-Ki and only then he knew Vegito SSJ2/SSJ3 probably wasn't an option, before that fusion was a sensible solution, more because it was unclear how the ritual would turn out.

You can always go fusion if a new extremely strong new foe shows up to test the waters, it's not that highly original.

I just want to point out, it sets the gate open to fusion-glory anytime anyhow. I rather have it speared for some very rare occasions.

On that we can agree, it really stops being special if you keep using it. Just look at poor Gotenks.

[Big Black Sayian]

...And this means Gogeta is in the movie?

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Or any other version of Broly for that matter?

The movie? Or you being sarcastic?

[Mister_Popo]

On the other hand, If they play it right, an extremely cocky and teasing Gogeta against Broly who keeps getting more and more pissed off and powering up could be hilarious.

[MainJPW]

I mean is there another version of Gogeta they can add?

Or any other version of Broly for that matter?

The movie? Or you being sarcastic?

Any version other than the one from the new movie is what the comment meant.

[GodVegetto91]

Just heard the news, seems the nostalgia fest continues. It does seem like they're just canonizing all the popular forms or villains.

Cooler and Janemba are probably going to become canon next.

There is no news. Nothing has been confirmed yet. Stop assuming things for gods sake.

[Kataphrut]

I'm not keen on Gogeta. I don't get people who are excited about him becoming 'canon', he was never as cool or interesting as Vegetto.

[CTAkuma]

The shot of Broli rising from the ground and transforming into Full Power could be after the battle with Gogeta seeing as Gokus clothes are all ripped and torn apart and he seems tired out. Gogeta may be fighting SS Broli and after it fails Vegeta gets too tired out and Goku has to continue the battle.

[Miracles]

The shot of Broli rising from the ground and transforming into Full Power could be after the battle with Gogeta seeing as Gokus clothes are all ripped and torn apart and he seems tired out. Gogeta may be fighting SS Broli and after it fails Vegeta gets too tired out and Goku has to continue the battle.

lol, the trailer showed Goku Blue fighting raged base Broly with a torn shirt before he rises from the ground in green...

[GodVegetto91]

I'm not keen on Gogeta. I don't get people who are excited about him becoming 'canon', he was never as cool or interesting as Vegetto.

This! 100%! Which makes me wonder, are these the same people who were downplaying Gogeta back in the days to the ridiculous point where they believed even a SSJ3 Version of Gogeta can’t beat Buutenks, or are they another part of the fanbase entirely? Who knows. I don’t know what fans want anymore, they seem to contradict themselves the entire time.

MUI Goku>Vegito Blue>Gogeta Blue.

Fact.

I HEAVILY despise the need for a fusion in this movie when, you know, Ultra Instinct is a thing! a form that far trumps any version of fusion.

But to actually use an inferior form of fusion (in every possible way no-less!) is actually incomprehensible to me. And why fans “like” it so much DESPITE it’s illogical and irrational fanservice concept is another thing that’s also permanently beyond me.

I am beyond pissed at Toriyama’s decisions here. It’s the most useless thing he could possibly do.

[SSJgogeto]

So you're just upset because a character you like isn't in the movie?

[Kenneth La Torre]

Broly vs gogeta has always been a thing in fan material and official games. Doesnt surprise me since this is Dragon Ball Fanservice: The Movie.

The quote about people maybe loosing faith it they believe goku will win alone makes more sense now.

Tho the 3 movies they decided to air on theaters should have been the obvious clues to gogetas appearence.

I actually dont mind it. I'm actually curious.

[Vados_chan]

This! 100%! Which makes me wonder, are these the same people who were downplaying Gogeta back in the days to the ridiculous point where they believed even a SSJ3 Version of Gogeta can’t beat Buutenks, or are they another part of the fanbase entirely? Who knows. I don’t know what fans want anymore, they seem to contradict themselves the entire time.

MUI Goku>Vegito Blue>Gogeta Blue.

Fact.

I HEAVILY despise the need for a fusion in this movie when, you know, Ultra Instinct is a thing! a form that far trumps any version of fusion.

But to actually use an inferior form of fusion (in every possible way no-less!) is actually incomprehensible to me. And why fans “like” it so much DESPITE it’s illogical and irrational fanservice concept is another thing that’s also permanently beyond me.

I am beyond pissed at Toriyama’s decisions here. It’s the most useless thing he could possibly do.

This whole movie is fanservice but Gogeta is the thing that pisses you off? lol calm the fuck down

And UI is the worst transformation in DB history.

[RecolorSaiyan]

I'm not keen on Gogeta. I don't get people who are excited about him becoming 'canon', he was never as cool or interesting as Vegetto.

This! 100%! Which makes me wonder, are these the same people who were downplaying Gogeta back in the days to the ridiculous point where they believed even a SSJ3 Version of Gogeta can’t beat Buutenks, or are they another part of the fanbase entirely? Who knows. I don’t know what fans want anymore, they seem to contradict themselves the entire time.

MUI Goku>Vegito Blue>Gogeta Blue.

Fact.

I HEAVILY despise the need for a fusion in this movie when, you know, Ultra Instinct is a thing! a form that far trumps any version of fusion.

But to actually use an inferior form of fusion (in every possible way no-less!) is actually incomprehensible to me. And why fans “like” it so much DESPITE it’s illogical and irrational fanservice concept is another thing that’s also permanently beyond me.

I am beyond pissed at Toriyama’s decisions here. It’s the most useless thing he could possibly do.

MUI is not inherently above fusion

Mui Goku (ToP) was > Vegito Blue (Zamasu arc)

That does NOT mean he would be stronger than ToP Vegito Blue or Broly Movie Blue Gogeta

[prince212]

I hope gogeta is not in the movie , kinda tired of fusions lately plus that kind of dance fusion is ...bufff
But like always , at the end all can be good to see if it is expressed with coherence and fits well , is not about who is and more about how is .
What I expect is a good background story in this movie that contains some “meat” , not just the evil enemy and fight him to keep the peace in the world