Lord Frieza wrote:And people honestly thought Toppo was weak once upon a time....
Glade that ideas been hakied now. Feel the full destructive power of justice nonbelievers!!!!
He wasn't weak, but he certainly wasn't GoD level strong before. This is clearly a new power that he manages to awaken due to being cornered and nearly eliminated by Freeza and 17. Probably some deep hidden potential that he has due to being chosen as the next GoD.
What I refer to is people taking his line out of contexts. Toppo detractors used his "I'm not shore I could beat him" line to infer that Toppo was not as powerful as he was made out to be. Compeletly negeltecting Goku's own missgivings on who would be the winner between them bespite haveing SSBKKx20 up his sleeve.
Toppo was always very strong but Toppo The God of Destcution is the final nail in that idea.
I certainly don't believe he's SSBKKx20 strong. He wouldn't be getting pushed back and cornered by two SSB level fighters if that was the case. He's about SSB level or maybe a bit higher prior to this GoD power-up IMO.
Like I said though, you can't really use GoD Toppo to argue against Toppo detractors because he just now acquired this power. It wasn't something he had before.
Birusu16 wrote:
He wasn't weak, but he certainly wasn't GoD level strong before. This is clearly a new power that he manages to awaken due to being cornered and nearly eliminated by Freeza and 17. Probably some deep hidden potential that he has due to being chosen as the next GoD.
What I refer to is people taking his line out of contexts. Toppo detractors used his "I'm not shore I could beat him" line to infer that Toppo was not as powerful as he was made out to be. Compeletly negeltecting Goku's own missgivings on who would be the winner between them bespite haveing SSBKKx20 up his sleeve.
Toppo was always very strong but Toppo The God of Destcution is the final nail in that idea.
I certainly don't believe he's SSBKKx20 strong. He wouldn't be getting pushed back and cornered by two SSB level fighters if that was the case. He's about SSB level or maybe a bit higher prior to this GoD power-up IMO.
Like I said though, you can't really use GoD Toppo to argue against Toppo detractors because he just now acquired this power. It wasn't something he had before.
He is getting pushed back in hos normal state, not his G.o.D state. And at this point in the tournament, he is going to be at least kkx20 level, because the show will need him to be.
Lord Frieza wrote:
What I refer to is people taking his line out of contexts. Toppo detractors used his "I'm not shore I could beat him" line to infer that Toppo was not as powerful as he was made out to be. Compeletly negeltecting Goku's own missgivings on who would be the winner between them bespite haveing SSBKKx20 up his sleeve.
Toppo was always very strong but Toppo The God of Destcution is the final nail in that idea.
I certainly don't believe he's SSBKKx20 strong. He wouldn't be getting pushed back and cornered by two SSB level fighters if that was the case. He's about SSB level or maybe a bit higher prior to this GoD power-up IMO.
Like I said though, you can't really use GoD Toppo to argue against Toppo detractors because he just now acquired this power. It wasn't something he had before.
He is getting pushed back in hos normal state, not his G.o.D state. And at this point in the tournament, he is going to be at least kkx20 level, because the show will need him to be.
Ok? I never argued that GoD Toppo wasn't at that level. He's easily beyond it if he's truly at the level of a GoD, which it looks like he will be. I said that Toppo prior to his GoD power-up wasn't as strong as SSBKKx20.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Birusu16 wrote:
I certainly don't believe he's SSBKKx20 strong. He wouldn't be getting pushed back and cornered by two SSB level fighters if that was the case. He's about SSB level or maybe a bit higher prior to this GoD power-up IMO.
Like I said though, you can't really use GoD Toppo to argue against Toppo detractors because he just now acquired this power. It wasn't something he had before.
He is getting pushed back in hos normal state, not his G.o.D state. And at this point in the tournament, he is going to be at least kkx20 level, because the show will need him to be.
Ok? I never argued that GoD Toppo wasn't at that level. He's easily beyond it if he's truly at the level of a GoD, which it looks like he will be. I said that Toppo prior to his GoD power-up wasn't as strong as SSBKKx20.
Oh no, i think everyone will agree with you that toppo is not near kaioken x20 level while in his normal form. I was just talking about his god form.
ToshioWrites wrote:Spoilers were a bit contradicting but from the preview images, he appears to actually become a GoD so his power has to be significantly beyond KKx20.
Of course he should be. Theres a reason 126 is hyped up for vegeta to surpass a god (which refers to toppo)
MrBlackFox wrote:What if Vegeta is secretly Beerus' successor, as is Toppo for Belmod, and he draws out GoD powers too?
I assume he'd have to go through some ritual or very special training to be a successor so it's most likely hidden Saiyan power.
You've got to love Saiyan DNA, it's the gift that keeps giving.
There are no mentions of rituals, we only have Whis making jokes about Vegeta becoming a GoD, iirc he never openly refused and he received more training by Whis than Goku
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