The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Draken]

How can he go SSJ2 if he was not in the Manga? Show me something like that in the movies

Kaboom, Dende was the guardian because the movie happened on Namek IMO so Toei probably never wanted to use an irrelevant canon character during the main events of the movie IMO

Goku never even had his SSJ2 hair in the movie

So how did Goku go SSJ4 if he was not in the manga?

[Mjb1985]

17 was well on his way to defeating Piccolo. Piccolo had begun to wear down and eventually he would defeat Piccolo. Piccolo's only chance would be the Light Grenade and 17's barrier may or may not have been able to stop it.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Yeah,#17 had the advantage of never losing energy, so he would've eventually defeated Piccolo if the battle continued.

[Undertaker]

They can make Goku into whatever they want.

They seemed to put in a good deal of effort to show he was a Ssj2

SSJ2 didn't look like that and how if SSJ2 Goku never existed ir was known?

Draken, What does that have to do with it? The movies don't show events which never existed in the Anime let alone alone the Manga. Gotenks has no SSJ3 in Movie 12. If Goku was not in the Manga so how can he be a SSJ2? Nothing says he was as well. He never had the SSJ2 hair

[Draken]

They can make Goku into whatever they want.

They seemed to put in a good deal of effort to show he was a Ssj2

SSJ2 didn't look like that and how if SSJ2 Goku never existed ir was known?

Draken, What does that have to do with it? The movies don't show events which never existed in the Anime let alone alone the Manga. Gotenks has no SSJ3 in Movie 12. If Goku was not in the Manga so how can he be a SSJ2? Nothing says he was as well. He never had the SSJ2 hair

You obviously missed the picture. Here, I'll show it again.



As you can see, Goku clearly has one bang.

Compare to his SSJ drawing.



Quite different. As was brought up, the bang is actually WRONG and then fixed later. Obviously, Toei's interpretation of SSJ2, just like they had their interpretation of SSJ.

Using your logic Goku shouldn't be able to transform into a SSJ4 because it was never in the manga.

[Saiga]

Piccolo vs 17

If the fight continued without Cell's interruption, who would have won? Would Piccolo destroy the cyborg or would the eternal ki and stamina of 17 win the fight?

17 would win. Piccolo's only hope is the Light Grenade which wouldn't get past 17's barrier if the description of the technique in the Daizenshuu is anything to go by.

[RandomGuy96]

Salza vs Krllin (end of Z)

The strongest Earthling vs the strongest soldier in Cold's empire.

[Saiga]

I don't even know how to accurately rate Salza but he's probably higher than Kuririn.

[RandomGuy96]

I rate him much higher than Freeza's first three forms, given how he one shotted Gohan and gave trouble to Goku and Piccolo during the android training (both were over 4,000,000 in my opinion). He was able to do much better against Piccolo than Nappa against Goku (I think that's the most comparable fight here), so we're not talking about a x2 gap here. Goku also struggled against him and his henchmen. Heck, Goku got pushed back by his blast and struggled to deflect it, having way more difficulty with it than Nappa with Gohan's blast. Weekly Jump lists him at 170,000 but I don't think that matches up at all with what he does in that movie.

How high do you have Krillin anyway?

[Undertaker]

They can make Goku into whatever they want.

They seemed to put in a good deal of effort to show he was a Ssj2

SSJ2 didn't look like that and how if SSJ2 Goku never existed ir was known?

Draken, What does that have to do with it? The movies don't show events which never existed in the Anime let alone alone the Manga. Gotenks has no SSJ3 in Movie 12. If Goku was not in the Manga so how can he be a SSJ2? Nothing says he was as well. He never had the SSJ2 hair

You obviously missed the picture. Here, I'll show it again.



As you can see, Goku clearly has one bang.

Compare to his SSJ drawing.



Quite different. As was brought up, the bang is actually WRONG and then fixed later. Obviously, Toei's interpretation of SSJ2, just like they had their interpretation of SSJ.

Using your logic Goku shouldn't be able to transform into a SSJ4 because it was never in the manga.

I have debated this many times. You are not using anyhing useful. Goku has 3 bangs when he is a SSJ2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AEQ5sy4LdY

Check out this. Lol, what does SSJ4 have to do with it? It's Toei's own work and they made GT. They didn't make DBZ

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Saiza would crush Krillin, but I don't think Saiza's anything special, either.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't have any of the Earthlings breaking 150,000. Salza stomps.

Undertaker, no one cares about your theory. If you would admit that it is just a theory, then maybe you'd get more positive responses from people. However, you refuse to do that, and instead choose to ignore any criticism offered. And you have offered no conclusive proof. So, either you are much smarter than the rest of us here, and are seeing something which we are incapable of comprehending, or your proof isn't good enough to convince anyone. Either way, you are wasting your time as long as you refuse to admit you could be wrong.

As for the SSJ2 thing, this movie is set shortly before, or around the beginning of the Buu Arc, right? We know that Goku has already obtained SSJ2 by then, so there's no reason why he couldn't use the form in the movie.

[Kaboom]

Yes, let's please give the "Goku: SSj2 or not" thing a rest now. It's dragging things too far off-topic.

Salza vs Krllin (end of Z)
The strongest Earthling vs the strongest soldier in Cold's empire.

Technically, Dore's the strongest.

Anyway, I think Kuririn would max out pretty darn close to Sauzer and the rest of the Armored Squad. Close enough that a one-on-one battle could go either way.

[Mjb1985]

Hey when does Goku return from Yardrat?

All too quickly another year has passed. And Goku hasn't come home yet. ( Viz )

A year since when? Since Namek? Or since the last time they used the Dragonballs?

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Goku returns to earth 1 year and 260 days after the destruction of Namek.

[RandomGuy96]

Technically, Dore's the strongest.

Yes, that's why he got killed by one of the blasts that Salza effortlessly deflected.

I think Saiza would crush Krillin, but I don't think Saiza's anything special, either.

Where do you have Krillin?

I don't have any of the Earthlings breaking 150,000. Salza stomps.

You don't even think three straight years of android training doubled Krillin? I mean I agree that Salza would stomp, but that's only because I see him as stronger than any of Freeza's suppressions.

This community seems to be the one of the ones that rates the Earthlings the lowest. I remember on another site it was agreed that Yamcha would stomp Salza... lol.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Krillin's weaker than Ginyu, but close enough to give him a fight. So a little over 110,000 or so.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't have any of the Earthlings breaking 150,000. Salza stomps.

You don't even think three straight years of android training doubled Krillin? I mean I agree that Salza would stomp, but that's only because I see him as stronger than any of Freeza's suppressions.

This community seems to be the one of the ones that rates the Earthlings the lowest. I remember on another site it was agreed that Yamcha would stomp Salza... lol.

Nope. I think that Krillin topped out at 100,000 at the most, with the extra 50,000 being for his special techniques and such. The Earthlings don't have any special advantages like the Saiyans do, and the Ginyu force and Freeza and his family were said to be mutants, which explains their power. Personally, I consider around 5,000 to be the highest a being can obtain without some kind of "special training," transformation, or divine intervention.
Krillin got his potential unlocked, and the others got training from Kaio, which would make them much stronger, but after that, their training wouldn't really be of much use. Krillin trained alone for the 3 years, so he wouldn't make large gains, while Tien only had Chiaotzu, who was much weaker than he, as a partner. Honestly, I can see Chiaotzu holding Tien back. And Yamcha, well, is Yamcha. We also have Toryama saying that Krillin is the strongest Earthling, and since I don't have him getting much further than the 75,000 he had against Freeza, then the others would all be lower than that.

[PerfectFreeza]

I don't think the humans were that weak, especially Tenshinhan and Kuririn.
Piccolo considered Tenshinhan useful enough to give him an offer to go to Rosat.
Piccolo (to Goku): “Then use the Room of Spirit and Time again. We’ve got the time. We just decided on the order: I’ll go first, then Vegeta will enter alone…And then Trunks…You two can enter again after that.”
Tenshinhan: “Sorry...But I pass…He’s absolutely not an opponent I could fight…”

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think the humans were that weak, especially Tenshinhan and Kuririn.
Piccolo considered Tenshinhan useful enough to give him an offer to go to Rosat.
Piccolo (to Goku): “Then use the Room of Spirit and Time again. We’ve got the time. We just decided on the order: I’ll go first, then Vegeta will enter alone…And then Trunks…You two can enter again after that.”
Tenshinhan: “Sorry...But I pass…He’s absolutely not an opponent I could fight…”

He never said anything to Tien. He just butted in. And only to say that he was useless.
And regardless, since they could only enter twice anyway, there was more than enough time for Tien to go in if he felt like it.