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VegettoEX wrote:With the state of the world these days, I think a good portion of religious people "in real life" are wondering WTF their god (God?) actually does and is good for, so I don't see how different that is from Earth's God in Dragon Ball.
Well, Dragonball's 'God' isn't a 'God' in the same sense as most religious Gods.
And they know what God does, he/she/they sit upstairs, watching their new sandbox with dismay, binge drinking away the questions of 'Why the fuck did I create this?' and reminiscing of how they enjoyed the good old days when they were much more active. Probably going through a mid-life crisis.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
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FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
VegettoEX wrote:With the state of the world these days, I think a good portion of religious people "in real life" are wondering WTF their god (God?) actually does and is good for, so I don't see how different that is from Earth's God in Dragon Ball.
Not quite. The monotheistic God created the universe. Then there are the gods of other religions who are gods of specific things, such as lightning or emotions. Kami doesn't create anything. The Namekian who became Kami did, but that has nothing to do with being God. Kami wasn't supposed to step in to battle either Piccolo and he didn't train Goku. He literally just watches.
And they know what God does, he/she/they sit upstairs, watching their new sandbox with dismay, binge drinking away the questions of 'Why the fuck did I create this?' and reminiscing of how they enjoyed the good old days when they were much more active. Probably going through a mid-life crisis.
That or creating a blog of super cute cat pics.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
I think a fair argument could be made that Kami is godlike, I mean he does miracle Goku into heaven. He's also taken form of a man and bestowed him with super-human strength. Plus, it appears that Kami is watching everything that happens on Earth, helping in ways that he can, upon his introduction.
LuckyCat wrote:I think a fair argument could be made that Kami is godlike, I mean he does miracle Goku into heaven. He's also taken form of a man and bestowed him with super-human strength. Plus, it appears that Kami is watching everything that happens on Earth, helping in ways that he can, upon his introduction.
How did he miracle Goku into heaven? He helps convince Enma-Daio to let him go to Kaio's for training. He took the form of man, but wasn't supposed to intervene. When he's introduced, he doesn't train Goku. He restores the DB's but that's not linked to his duties as Kami, nor his abilities as Kami.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Goku disappears completely upon death and then we see him in the afterlife. In other instances of death, Dragon Ball typically just leaves the body behind. And I would call it a miracle, because it's not a technique like instant transmission, as far as we know in-universe it's something only a God can do.
LuckyCat wrote: And I would call it a miracle, because it's not a technique like instant transmission, as far as we know in-universe it's something only a God can do.
Doesn't the Buu saga prove that wrong? Or was that only in filler? Plus, it wasn't Kami who magiced him to King Yemma, Kami was simply the one to convince Yemma that Goku should be allowed to go on snake way
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
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FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Assuming that's all true and that's something Kamis do, that's still just something they can do. What is their actual purpose? Has it ever been answered what created the hierarchy in the Dragon Ball Universe?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
LuckyCat wrote: And I would call it a miracle, because it's not a technique like instant transmission, as far as we know in-universe it's something only a God can do.
Doesn't the Buu saga prove that wrong? Or was that only in filler? Plus, it wasn't Kami who magiced him to King Yemma, Kami was simply the one to convince Yemma that Goku should be allowed to go on snake way
Kami says he brought Goku to him with his body.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Super Saiyan Ikari wrote:I actually love the Black star dragon ball arc. I find it really strange that so many people HATE it. I can't tell you anything I dislike about it. I love goku as a kid, it's entirely slice of life esque, it absolutely does remind me of the first arc of dragon ball. It is my favorite arc in GT, a series I love which may also be considered an unpopular opinion.
I recently re-watched GT, and had the same thoughts. I guess the reason I've always found it boring before was because I'd just come off of Z, which has a radically different structure from GT, especially in the first arc. Even the episodes that were a total rip from Oolong's introduction did it in a unique enough way that I didn't mind. The whole thing is fun.
Super Saiyan Ikari wrote:I actually love the Black star dragon ball arc. I find it really strange that so many people HATE it. I can't tell you anything I dislike about it. I love goku as a kid, it's entirely slice of life esque, it absolutely does remind me of the first arc of dragon ball. It is my favorite arc in GT, a series I love which may also be considered an unpopular opinion.
I recently re-watched GT, and had the same thoughts. I guess the reason I've always found it boring before was because I'd just come off of Z, which has a radically different structure from GT, especially in the first arc. Even the episodes that were a total rip from Oolong's introduction did it in a unique enough way that I didn't mind. The whole thing is fun.
Also, they reference that it's just like the time with Oolong, which is good since it feels like they aren't trying to pull one over the audience and hoping they forgot there was a story just like it.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
I liked the Black Star DB hunt arc, it made me feel like they're mixing SW with DB
I wish they could expand it more, the whole thing about exploring planets in the universe was a nice concept, I'm still expecting for an exploration arc like that in Super.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Sumitomo is a solid composer, and while there are placement issues overall there is very few of his tracks I don't like, if at all.
I like how a lot of his music retains that orchestral feel while still creating a modern Dragon Ball sound, and with Yamamoto gone Sumitomo was the perfect candidate to replace him. The peaceful tunes in particular can be very playful and its quite fitting for a show which is meant to be mystical but also fun, two areas I feel Faulconer's score lacked as it made the show out to be more edgy and only appealing to a specific demographic (teenagers, no one older or younger).
Granted its not like Kikuchi, but as much as I love Kikuchi's score (and I do love it) I do think after 444 episodes, 16 movies and 2 TV specials I think its important for Dragon Ball to explore other styles of music.
Do you have any info about international non-English broadcasts about the Dragon Ball anime or manga translations/editions? Please message me. Researching for a future book with Dragon Ball scholar Derek Padula
Freeza is my least favorite of the three big bads in DBZ
Yamamoto>Levy>Kikuichi>Faulconer
Goku and Piccolo race cars is not the epitome of good filler in DBZ
Like 80 percent of Dragon Ball Z's filler is garbage. Which is why I prefer the manga and Kai, even DBZA turning the filler into Family Guy style cutaway gags was an improvement.
Gohan's Kai voice is better than the first Funi voice. Saffron Henderson was the best of the 3.
Android 18 was the most wasted Z character
Vegeta should have stayed dead when he died in the Fat Buu arc
Freeza is my least favorite of the three big bads in DBZ
Four big bads - Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Buu.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
MasenkoHA wrote:Vegeta worked under Freeza. He wasn't his own big bad.
1st - He was his own big bad. The story was written before Freeza was created.
2nd - The second he goes after the Dragon Balls, he's rebelling, ergo he's not working under Freeza.
3rd - The Saiyan arc is a complete arc. It has a beginning, middle, and end.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
The Saiyan arc is not a complete arc. The Namek arc begins immediately where it left off with Gohan, Kuririn, amd Bulma going to Namek to use the Namekian dragon balls to restore their fallen friends. The end of the Freeza, Cell, and Buu arcs all have actual endings. With years passing between the next arc for a new beginning.
Vegeta was still technically under Freeza's rule (even if Mr. Toriyama hadn't thought of Freeza yet anymore than he hadn't thought of Androids 16,17, and 18 and Cell when starting the Android arc) until the Namek saga.
Also pedantic, I know, but Vegeta doesn't fall with the tradition of the other 3 Z big bads having multiple transformations during their arc.
MasenkoHA wrote:The Saiyan arc is not a complete arc. The Namek arc begins immediately where it left off with Gohan, Kuririn, amd Bulma going to Namek to use the Namekian dragon balls to restore their fallen friends. The end of the Freeza, Cell, and Buu arcs all have actual endings. With years passing between the next arc for a new beginning.
And? Timeskips aren't required for something to qualify as an arc. That's just ridiculous. And the Saiyan arc does have an ending.
MasenkoHA wrote:Vegeta worked under Freeza. He wasn't his own big bad.
What? Vegeta wasn't still working under Frieza, or do you think he'd still serve as Frieza's slave even when Frieza can no longer kill him? And even if he was... So what? He's still a big bad, working under the next arcs villain doesn't change that.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
ABED wrote:Assuming that's all true and that's something Kamis do, that's still just something they can do. What is their actual purpose? Has it ever been answered what created the hierarchy in the Dragon Ball Universe?
This is just my assumption I guess, but the purpose of the local kami is to guide the human population to a higher state of civilization and guard their planet from world ending disasters. They report their progress to the Kaiou, who reports to the daikaiou. I imagine the level of personal involvement varies from kami to kami; people like Gowasu advocate a hands-off approach.
