"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Grimlock]

I would like to ask a general question: Is there any official explanation as to why Mai and her little group are young again?
Anyone? Are we all assuming that we are all assuming that they used the Dragon Balls to retain youth?

Yes there is. Movie 14/May says they summoned Shenron to rule over the world, but Pilaf asked to make them younger.

And here I thought everyone watched those two new movies...

[Esfír Dedragón]

Before anything further occurs, I would like to ask a general question: Is there any official explanation as to why Mai and her little group are young again?
Anyone? Are we all assuming that we are all assuming that they used the Dragon Balls to retain youth?

In the extended version of BoG the movie, they explained it. It was the Dragon Balls. There's also this interview where Mr.Toriyama says he brought back the Pilaf Gang and choose to make Mai and Trunks a couple for the movie.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

Since they failed to explain the Pilaf Gang age in the manga and the anime, people are just following what the movie said.

This is just my theory, I believe Mai being in the future is one hundred percent from Mr.Toriyama. He did came up with it originally and the anime dialed back the romance, due to the ick factor I would think; in the BoG arc. Only in this recent arc did they embrace it.

...shoot.

So it was his idea.
It doesn't say anything about how they were made younger in-universe.

Aw, Toriyama. Time and that movie(DBE) really messed you up in the head, didn't it?

[alakazam^]

They said they were made younger in the movie proper, did you watched it? And even if they hadn't said that, what other option would there be? It's obviously because of the Dragon Balls.

[Esfír Dedragón]

They said they were made younger in the movie proper, did you watched it? And even if they hadn't said that, what other option would there be? It's obviously because of the Dragon Balls.

I never saw Battle of Gods or Resurrection F in theaters nor have I watched since then.

At first, I was disappointed in not seeing it with people who had a common interest. But now, maybe I was spared the headache-inducing inconsistencies that I may have complained about, not including Super.

[alakazam^]

Well, there's nothing inconsistent about the Pilaf gang, either present or future timeline.

[Esfír Dedragón]

Well, there's nothing inconsistent about the Pilaf gang, either present or future timeline.

Not including GT, I've always been under the assumption that they were dead. If not during the King Piccolo Saga (they survived, I know), then during the Majin Buu Saga.

Perhaps in the alternate futures, they were killed by the Androids.

[Alee9977]

Well, there's nothing inconsistent about the Pilaf gang, either present or future timeline.

Not including GT, I've always been under the assumption that they were dead. If not during the King Piccolo Saga (they survived, I know), then during the Majin Buu Saga.

Perhaps in the alternate futures, they were killed by the Androids.

Pilaf and Shu seem to be dead in the Trunks timeline, or at least they are dissapeared. Only Mai is alive.

[Esfír Dedragón]

Well, there's nothing inconsistent about the Pilaf gang, either present or future timeline.

Not including GT, I've always been under the assumption that they were dead. If not during the King Piccolo Saga (they survived, I know), then during the Majin Buu Saga.

Perhaps in the alternate futures, they were killed by the Androids.

Pilaf and Shu seem to be dead in the Trunks timeline, or at least they are dissapeared. Only Mai is alive.

...since 2013 in-the-real-world.

Before that, no one cared as to what happened to them. We were all cool with the idea that they were most likely dead if not very old.

[Nejishiki]

In a way, Toriyama is answering the requests of fans by utilizing characters he, "threw away".

[Esfír Dedragón]

In a way, Toriyama is answering the requests of fans by utilizing characters he, "threw away".

In that case, why not start with Launch?
How about Upa? Bora? Suno? Nam? Ran Fan? Giran? Bacterian? The Crane Hermit? Devilman? Freaking Yajirobe?

There's quite an extensive pool of people he could have picked that are more interesting than choosing the Pilaf gang.

[Nejishiki]

I never said he would choose our preferred choices.

EDIT: However, Crane Hermit and Tao Pai Pai have died. I'll edit in the source in a bit.

He’s probably out in the desert or somewhere secretly awaiting his chance for revenge, I guess.

Ye~ah… they got mixed up in something or other and died, but they were bad people, so perhaps they weren’t restored to life…

[Esfír Dedragón]

I never said he would choose our preferred choices.

EDIT: However, Crane Hermit and Tao Pai Pai have died. I'll edit in the source in a bit.

Fair enough.
I suppose I'm making this too personal. As you can tell, I've been mostly disappointed with the direction of how DBS is handled.

[Chelentano]

In a way, Toriyama is answering the requests of fans by utilizing characters he, "threw away".

In that case, why not start with Launch?
How about Upa? Bora? Suno? Nam? Ran Fan? Giran? Bacterian? The Crane Hermit? Freaking Yajirobe?

There's quite an extensive pool of people he could have picked that are more interesting than choosing the Pilaf gang.

Maybe he doesn't want "interesting" old characters that divert attention from the main cast and the new characters involved in this new stories. Which, to me, it makes sense.

[Alruneia]

Pan is two years in this arc? I though she was only 1 year old.
So the last chance of having Bra without unrespecting the timeline is right after this arc.

Ooops typo, I meant 1 year old, but yeah we really don't know. Usually there are clearly established timeskips, but ever since the end of Z this has been pretty hard to maintain in series(only the Tarble special gives a clearly defined timeskip).

Gave me a spook, you did
I've been on a trip for a week, and I've barely looked at the internet, but I caught this. Good to know that we're definitely in Age 780, then, but the timeline disrespect isn't exactly out of the question either.
I'm still pretty okay with the Future Trunks x Future Mai stuff, but I can see that people are still kinda confused about the whole thing. I think there'll be an explanation sometime, though.

[Noah]

Fair enough.
I suppose I'm making this too personal. As you can tell, I've been mostly disappointed with the direction of how DBS is handled.

We all are, mate. Pilaf Gang return as kids was unnecessary addition to the series.

[Alee9977]

Fair enough.
I suppose I'm making this too personal. As you can tell, I've been mostly disappointed with the direction of how DBS is handled.

We all are, mate. Pilaf Gang return as kids was unnecessary addition to the series.

It was necessary beca use, you know, it's a kids show so they had to add those characters or make the Z fighters more childish, apparently, they chose both.

[Nejishiki]

Can't it just as well be the writers wanting to bring those characters back for their own merit? I wouldn't say they were trying to do so in Battle of Gods; it was a genuine gag arc. The entertainment factor is subjective, as is the enjoyment in the swerve to actually make one of them a driving force. I think this is just a cast of being unsatisfied with the choices rather than the execution, because this falls in line in what fans have clamored for. It just happened to be characters nobody expected, as per usual Toriyama misdirection.

[LightBing]

Can we please stop including the whole fan-base into personal opinions?

The Pilaf Gang inclusion is explained in the interview I posted before. In the original script they were some random thief's, would people have actually preferred that to bringing back characters which fit the role? Or maybe force another character(s) into the role, just for fan-service?

I personally loved their role in the BoG movie, it was very funny and didn't get in the way of the flow of the movie. In the BoG arc it was mostly bad. More recently it has been hit and miss.
I feel like many people dislike the Pilaf Gang since it undermines the serious moments and appears forced into the show. Honestly, the dislike is misdirected because of weak writing. Remember the RoF arc, there was no Pilaf Gang so people were ganging up on Jaco.
I defend the existence of comic-relief characters, even in dark arcs like this one. Execution is key.

Back on topic, does anyone have a page count from every chapter? The last one had 39 pages. It would be interesting to track the growth of the manga.

[Chelentano]

Can we please stop including the whole fan-base into personal opinions?

The Pilaf Gang inclusion is explained in the interview I posted before. In the original script they were some random thief's, would people have actually preferred that to bringing back characters which fit the role? Or maybe force another character(s) into the role, just for fan-service?

I personally loved their role in the BoG movie, it was very funny and didn't get in the way of the flow of the movie. In the BoG arc it was mostly bad. More recently it has been hit and miss.
I feel like many people dislike the Pilaf Gang since it undermines the serious moments and appears forced into the show. Honestly, the dislike is misdirected because of weak writing. Remember the RoF arc, there was no Pilaf Gang so people were ganging up on Jaco.
I defend the existence of comic-relief characters, even in dark arcs like this one. Execution is key.

Back on topic, does anyone have a page count from every chapter? The last one had 39 pages. It would be interesting to track the growth of the manga.

16 (one in color) - 15 - 15 - 19 - 20 (one in color) - 19 - 19 - 19 - 31 - 31 - 21 - 31 - 38 (one double) - 39.

[LightBing]

Can we please stop including the whole fan-base into personal opinions?

The Pilaf Gang inclusion is explained in the interview I posted before. In the original script they were some random thief's, would people have actually preferred that to bringing back characters which fit the role? Or maybe force another character(s) into the role, just for fan-service?

I personally loved their role in the BoG movie, it was very funny and didn't get in the way of the flow of the movie. In the BoG arc it was mostly bad. More recently it has been hit and miss.
I feel like many people dislike the Pilaf Gang since it undermines the serious moments and appears forced into the show. Honestly, the dislike is misdirected because of weak writing. Remember the RoF arc, there was no Pilaf Gang so people were ganging up on Jaco.
I defend the existence of comic-relief characters, even in dark arcs like this one. Execution is key.

Back on topic, does anyone have a page count from every chapter? The last one had 39 pages. It would be interesting to track the growth of the manga.

16 (one in color) - 15 - 15 - 19 - 20 (one in color) - 19 - 19 - 19 - 31 - 31 - 21 - 31 - 38 (one double) - 39.

Thank you!
We went from about 15 pages to 19/20, then at the Botamo vs Goku fight we had a big jump to 31. Vegeta vs Magetta was only 21 for some reason. Hit vs Goku saw another jump to what we currently are experiencing.
I wonder what's the limit for a monthly publication.