The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue May 28, 2013 9:59 am

I'm gonna say Jeice, he seems smarter than the rest of them.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Tue May 28, 2013 12:32 pm

For Cooler's Revenge I probably go with

Base Goku > Piccolo > Salza > Doore / Neiz > Kuririn > Gohan

I don't think Kuririn and Gohan are necessarily their manga counterparts. I'm not to sure Piccolo is either honestly.

Out of the Ginyu Force, Jeice seems to be the most balanced. I'd give him the edge here.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue May 28, 2013 2:41 pm

According to D7 Jeice's power is about Burter and Recoome. So he is slightly weaker. Doesn't mean he can't win though as he has to be the #2 guy for a reason. Even so the 3 of them are pretty much equal.
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Post by The Monkey King » Thu May 30, 2013 7:00 pm

21st budokai kid Goku, vs Videl vs 23rd budokai Chi-Chi

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu May 30, 2013 7:04 pm

The Monkey King wrote:21st budokai kid Goku, vs Videl vs 23rd budokai Chi-Chi
Kid Goku wins.
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Post by rereboy » Thu May 30, 2013 7:29 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:21st budokai kid Goku, vs Videl vs 23rd budokai Chi-Chi
Kid Goku wins.
23rd Budokai Chi-chi is supposed to be comparable to Roshi. It wouldn't be easy at all for Goku.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:11 pm

rereboy wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:21st budokai kid Goku, vs Videl vs 23rd budokai Chi-Chi
Kid Goku wins.
23rd Budokai Chi-chi is supposed to be comparable to Roshi. It wouldn't be easy at all for Goku.
Where was that stated. Chi Chi never showed any feats that Roshi or Goku couldn't easily do in the 21st budokai. She didn't even have any special techniques.
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Post by Draken » Thu May 30, 2013 8:20 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Where was that stated. Chi Chi never showed any feats that Roshi or Goku couldn't easily do in the 21st budokai. She didn't even have any special techniques.
So special techniques and not brute strength determines a fight now? I have never ever seen that in DB :problem:

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:29 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:
Where was that stated. Chi Chi never showed any feats that Roshi or Goku couldn't easily do in the 21st budokai. She didn't even have any special techniques.
So special techniques and not brute strength determines a fight now? I have never ever seen that in DB :problem:
In ways yes. Zanzouken or Kamehameha and Chi Chi is done. Chi Chi hasn't even shown speed close to Restrained Roshi. Check out Krillin vs Roshi. She hasn't ever moved that fast.
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Post by Rocketman » Thu May 30, 2013 8:36 pm

Videl is one-shotted by either, ChiChi overpowers Goku after a long struggle.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:46 pm

Chi Chi stomps.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu May 30, 2013 10:20 pm

Well, if we go by given power levels, Chi-Chi is on the same level that Roshi was in the 21st Budokai.
Ignoring that, I would say that she did better than Chappa against Goku in the 23rd, and Roshi felt that Goku would have a hard time against Chappa in the 22nd, implying that he's a pretty tough guy. So I think that Chi-Chi could take this with some effort.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu May 30, 2013 11:30 pm

1. Cooler vs:
-Androids 19 and 20
-Mecha Freeza
-Mecha Freeza and King Cold

2. Metal Cooler vs:
-Initial Imperfect Cell
-Android 18
-Android 17

3. Super 13 vs:
-Imperfect Cell

4. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Bojack (can transform)

5. Bojack vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Dabura (Bojack is restricted to base)
-Dabura (Bojack can transform)

6. Broly Movie 10 vs:
-Super Perfect Cell
-Good Buu

7. Bio Broly vs:
-Cell Junior

8. Bills vs:
-Omega Shenron
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu May 30, 2013 11:40 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:1. Cooler vs:
-Androids 19 and 20
-Mecha Freeza
-Mecha Freeza and King Cold
Cooler stomps all. I think he could take all 4 at once.
2. Metal Cooler vs:
-Initial Imperfect Cell
-Android 18
-Android 17
Cooler could beat Cell and 18 for sure, in my opinion. 17 would be tougher, but I think he could take him.
3. Super 13 vs:
-Imperfect Cell
Depends. Initial Cell, or post absorption Cell? If the former, 13 stomps. If the latter, I see him putting up a tough fight, but eventually losing.
4. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Bojack (can transform)
Broly and Cell are roughly even, I think, but Cell is smarter and can regenerate. Cell takes this, but not easily. Bojack would put up a fight against Broly in his base form, but I put his transformed state approaching Super Perfect Cell in power, so he takes this.
5. Bojack vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Dabura (Bojack is restricted to base)
-Dabura (Bojack can transform)
Assuming he can't transform in the first, then Cell. If he can, then Bojack. I put Dabura between FP Perfect Cell and SPC, so he'd beat base Bojack, but would be roughly even to transformed Bojack. He should have the edge with his magic though.
6. Broly Movie 10 vs:
-Super Perfect Cell
-Good Buu
Same as before. They should be roughly even, but Cells superior intelligence and techniques give him the win.
7. Bio Broly vs:
-Cell Junior (this one too...)
Goten and Trunks were able to fight him in SSJ, meaning that for me, Cell Jr. Stomps.
9. Bills vs:
-Omega Shenron
Who knows? :P I'll give it to Shenron though.
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Post by rereboy » Fri May 31, 2013 5:40 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
Where was that stated. Chi Chi never showed any feats that Roshi or Goku couldn't easily do in the 21st budokai. She didn't even have any special techniques.
She has an official power level which is comparable to Roshi's power level. Don't remember exactly where though.
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Check out Krillin vs Roshi. She hasn't ever moved that fast.
Going by that logic, Goten and Trunks were slower in their fight than Krillin and Roshi since the audience was able to keep up with the Goten vs Trunks fight.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri May 31, 2013 10:08 am

rereboy wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:
Where was that stated. Chi Chi never showed any feats that Roshi or Goku couldn't easily do in the 21st budokai. She didn't even have any special techniques.
She has an official power level which is comparable to Roshi's power level. Don't remember exactly where though.
dbzfan7 wrote:
Check out Krillin vs Roshi. She hasn't ever moved that fast.
Going by that logic, Goten and Trunks were slower in their fight than Krillin and Roshi since the audience was able to keep up with the Goten vs Trunks fight.
I'm not sure I'd say the audience could watch the while time. If so then they move ridiculously slow in comparison.

Even if Chi Chi is as strong as 21st Roshi, she has zero techniques to help her. Goku would still win.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri May 31, 2013 12:45 pm

Chi Chi takes this. Tao Pai Pai has a BP of 110 and Goku couldn't jack to him before training with Karin. Chi Chi is even stronger than him with a whopping BP of 130 which is only 9 away from Base Roshi's maximum. Even if Goku got off a Kamehameha, it still wouldn't give him the victory.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri May 31, 2013 2:08 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Chi Chi takes this. Tao Pai Pai has a BP of 110 and Goku couldn't jack to him before training with Karin. Chi Chi is even stronger than him with a whopping BP of 130 which is only 9 away from Base Roshi's maximum. Even if Goku got off a Kamehameha, it still wouldn't give him the victory.
I guess if you put it that way yeah.
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Post by Godo » Fri May 31, 2013 2:43 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:1. Cooler vs:
-Androids 19 and 20
-Mecha Freeza
-Mecha Freeza and King Cold

2. Metal Cooler vs:
-Initial Imperfect Cell
-Android 18
-Android 17

3. Super 13 vs:
-Imperfect Cell

4. Broly Movie 8 vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Bojack (can transform)

5. Bojack vs:
-Perfect Cell (full power)
-Dabura (Bojack is restricted to base)
-Dabura (Bojack can transform)

6. Broly Movie 10 vs:
-Super Perfect Cell
-Good Buu

7. Bio Broly vs:
-Cell Junior

9. Bills vs:
-Omega Shenron
1. Win, win, lose (due to dirty tactics)
2. Win (regeneration and becoming stronger), second one is tougher. Metal Cooler's clones will become stronger, but it depends on how long 17 and 18 bother to play (infinite energy reactors) and also if they are heavily outnumbered.
3. Win against initial imperfect cell, a very close match against humans absorbed cell, would probably lose to cell's sneakiness and regeneration.
4. Lose, lose
5. Lose, draw, win
6. Lose, lose
7. They fall in love and start a family
8. Bills

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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Fri May 31, 2013 8:17 pm

Fuller (from DBE) vs. Sharpner

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