"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

If this is true it's pretty weird considering Whis offered Goku to be the next God of Destruction.

So does this mean if Goku got appointed God of Destruction, he'd automatically be linked to a kaioshin?

If it is confirmed, probably. And the Kaioshin in question would be Zamasu. His attendent would be the Kid Whis.

[Miracles]

Does anybody heard about a rumor about the next chapter content leaked on 2chan ?

It's a really unsafe information, but the member said he just have his V-Jump, and is back with new information:
[spoiler]In the new chapter we would learn that an Hakaishin et Kaio Shins are linked. If Kaïo Shins dies, Hakaishin too.[/spoiler]

Pretty weird information that doesn't correspond at all with the anime version of the events proceedings, and the V-Jump should be out the 20th-21th isn't it ?
Don't want to trashtalk or repand misinformation so if anybody who skill Japanese is able to find the post, translate, and judge it as safe or unsafe, it would be neat !

Oh, I forgot, another information was post seveal hours later:
[spoiler]

ここは現状スレじゃなかったのか
未来で界王神はダーブラに殺されたので破壊神もいないことになってる
だから未来ではゴクウブラックが最強

A french member translated it like this:
I don't see this information on this thread so:
In the future, as Kaïo Shin was killed by Dabra, the Hakaishin disapeared too
That's why Gokû Black is the most powerfull in the future[/spoiler]

It wouldn't be a surprise that additional information is in the manga.
Both the anime and manga compliment each other.

[Xeztin]

Does anybody heard about a rumor about the next chapter content leaked on 2chan ?

It's a really unsafe information, but the member said he just have his V-Jump, and is back with new information:
[spoiler]In the new chapter we would learn that an Hakaishin et Kaio Shins are linked. If Kaïo Shins dies, Hakaishin too.[/spoiler]

Pretty weird information that doesn't correspond at all with the anime version of the events proceedings, and the V-Jump should be out the 20th-21th isn't it ?
Don't want to trashtalk or repand misinformation so if anybody who skill Japanese is able to find the post, translate, and judge it as safe or unsafe, it would be neat !

Oh, I forgot, another information was post seveal hours later:
[spoiler]

ここは現状スレじゃなかったのか
未来で界王神はダーブラに殺されたので破壊神もいないことになってる
だから未来ではゴクウブラックが最強

A french member translated it like this:
I don't see this information on this thread so:
In the future, as Kaïo Shin was killed by Dabra, the Hakaishin disapeared too
That's why Gokû Black is the most powerfull in the future[/spoiler]

It wouldn't be a surprise that additional information is in the manga.
Both the anime and manga compliment each other.

I Kinda like this concept, it's really a different take but more plot holes nonetheless.

[Kishido]

You know what's funny... Babidi/Bibidi and Buu nearly killing all Kaioshins and Beerus has given no damn about it.

Cool story... Now people will say... Because Beerus was sleeping. What about Whis telling him? Or ket me guess... it isn't allowed

Is it even of his and Beerus concern? Why should they care if it isn't knocking on their door.
The Kaioshin only cared about Boo because his realm was directly attacked and his kin murdered. He didn't care about Freeza and maybe Cell, although the latter I imagine he wasn't aware.

Beerus doesn't cares about Black and Trunks breaking the time rules, only threatening Bulma to get some food. Whis didn't take action also.

Ehhhh I is about Beerus being auto killed if all Kaioshins die.

Buu killed nearly all and he still gave no damn

[TheMikado]

It wouldn't be a surprise that additional information is in the manga.
Both the anime and manga compliment each other.

They complement each other, they contridict each other. Either way let's wait for the leak before getting too deep into this.

[Khin]

Does anybody heard about a rumor about the next chapter content leaked on 2chan ?

It's a really unsafe information, but the member said he just have his V-Jump, and is back with new information:

Oh, I forgot, another information was post seveal hours later:
[spoiler]

ここは現状スレじゃなかったのか
未来で界王神はダーブラに殺されたので破壊神もいないことになってる
だから未来ではゴクウブラックが最強

A french member translated it like this:
I don't see this information on this thread so:
In the future, as Kaïo Shin was killed by Dabra, the Hakaishin disapeared too
That's why Gokû Black is the most powerfull in the future[/spoiler]

Huh ? What about Whis ?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Guess it's all true?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Source: http://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-super-c ... -spoilers/

[Chiki]

How disappointing. Toyotaro had to invent something unnecessary just so that Black could be the strongest in U7, as if that was needed.

I never thought Toyotaro was good at story writing tbh.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If this isn't a Toriyama tidbit that just hasn't been addressed yet in the anime (the two versions often add tidbits in different orders), then it seems Toyotaro wanted a reason for why Kaioshin and Beerus aren't interfering with Black's plans. Which I don't blame him for. people are already complaining about why they didn't help, so just saying it wasn't their business would have still left some people upset. Though for the opposite side of the coin, I'm sure there are others like myself that aren't particularly happy about the addition. I suppose I wouldn't have complained if there was only ever one Kaioshin at at time, but this only serves to seemingly complicate an already messy situation with their ever changing lore.

[nite_jay]

If this isn't a Toriyama tidbit that just hasn't been addressed yet in the anime (the two versions often add tidbits in different orders), then it seems Toyotaro wanted a reason for why Kaioshin and Beerus aren't interfering with Black's plans. Which I don't blame him for. people are already complaining about why they didn't help, so just saying it wasn't their business would have still left some people upset. Though for the opposite side of the coin, I'm sure there are others like myself that aren't particularly happy about the addition. I suppose I wouldn't have complained if there was only ever one Kaioshin at at time, but this only serves to seemingly complicate an already messy situation with their ever changing lore.

Is there any room to believe that they mean when all Kaioshin die one Hakaioshin dies, or do each have a pair together?

[Beerus-sama]

Guess it's all true?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Source: http://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-super-c ... -spoilers/

Noooo...
Now the Hakaishins have a weakness

I'm not surprised this came as real information, but wow, this is an interesting concept, even though it raise the question about the other kaioshins that died from Majin Buu...

How disappointing. Toyotaro had to invent something unnecessary just so that Black could be the strongest in U7, as if that was needed.

I never thought Toyotaro was good at story writing tbh.

I don't believe this was invented by him as this change what can be done to the story, maybe Zamasu/Black after eliminating the lives in its own universe went to the 7th and killed its kaioshin so that Beerus wouldn't interfere with his murder.

[Nejishiki]

I also find this development a strange direction to take. So far, Goku Black exterminates lifeforms, not planets themselves, so it stands to reason their alternative future selves wouldn't be heavily concerned or even paying attention in the first place. The balance isn't heavily tipped, I would think. I'm curious if this will be brought up in the anime or if this is another case of Super Saiyan God. This also seems to imply Beerus is connected to all Kaioshin or that other Hakaishin had their own pairs all along. The latter makes this stranger as Beerus should have noticed his kind were dying when he finished his slumber. We'll see if that's acknowledged. At the very least, the Kaioshin Realm is outside the boundaries of the living and the dead, so the obvious question as to why Kaioshin aren't a constant target for death can be reconciled. I will say there is a positive element to be found. That is, Beerus never had to clean up planets of such a large universe on his own, after all. The full picture is needed before further analysis.

[Chiki]

If this isn't a Toriyama tidbit that just hasn't been addressed yet in the anime (the two versions often add tidbits in different orders), then it seems Toyotaro wanted a reason for why Kaioshin and Beerus aren't interfering with Black's plans. Which I don't blame him for. people are already complaining about why they didn't help, so just saying it wasn't their business would have still left some people upset. Though for the opposite side of the coin, I'm sure there are others like myself that aren't particularly happy about the addition. I suppose I wouldn't have complained if there was only ever one Kaioshin at at time, but this only serves to seemingly complicate an already messy situation with their ever changing lore.

The Kaioshin in U7 simply might not be aware of it since Black isn't a universal level threat yet (he only killed the populations of a few planets I think). From their perspective, Buu was a much much bigger threat. Second, why would Beerus help? It's not like the Beerus in that time is friends with Goku and company. Or he could be asleep for all we know.

[samuo2]

It can also be a Toriyama's ideas that will not be developped, just mentionned, in the anime at the opposite of the manga who includes it more in deep, like the reason why Beerus and Champa are forbidden to fight each other, or the apparition of the term "SSJ Blue" which pop up from nowhere in the anime.

Like said before, the manga and the anime are complementary after all.

[Beerus-sama]

Or maybe it would be revealed in the next episode where Goku goes to see Zen'ou...

[Shin]

How disappointing. Toyotaro had to invent something unnecessary just so that Black could be the strongest in U7, as if that was needed.

I never thought Toyotaro was good at story writing tbh.

Do you have a link or something that confirms he invented this?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Kaioshin in U7 simply might not be aware of it since Black isn't a universal level threat yet (he only killed the populations of a few planets I think). From their perspective, Buu was a much much bigger threat. Second, why would Beerus help? It's not like the Beerus in that time is friends with Goku and company. Or he could be asleep for all we know.

Toyotaro often likes providing answers for questions fans tend to have for details that are glossed over in the anime, and given the handful of topics we've already had created on the matter, others obviously feel the need for an answer on this (again, if it's not something Toriyama came up with). However, I never said I think they should get involved. I was perfectly content with them just staying out of it "because".

[Duo]

More context is needed on all of this, which will hopefully be coming soon. The rumbling backlash is pretty silly so far. Just wait a bit.

[Kishido]

Cool so no one can makes sense of it.

Buu is about to kill all Kais... Beerus would die as well but still does nothing against it.

This has nothing to do with Goku or stuff... It was about his own life

[Yomi]

You know what's funny... Babidi/Bibidi and Buu nearly killing all Kaioshins and Beerus has given no damn about it.

Cool story... Now people will say... Because Beerus was sleeping. What about Whis telling him? Or ket me guess... it isn't allowed

It depends. Beerus did seal away the Elder Supreme Kai, so maybe he wasn't in any trouble at all.
that's assuming that this sealing happened before Buu's attack.

Edit: That incident happened 5 million years before age.
The sealing happened 75 million years before. Beerus had no reason to be worried about this.