"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Nejishiki]

You know what's funny... Babidi/Bibidi and Buu nearly killing all Kaioshins and Beerus has given no damn about it.

Cool story... Now people will say... Because Beerus was sleeping. What about Whis telling him? Or ket me guess... it isn't allowed

It depends. Beerus did seal away the Elder Supreme Kai, so maybe he wasn't in any trouble at all.
that's assuming that this sealing happened before Buu's attack.

Edit: That incident happened 5 million years before age.
The sealing happened 75 million years before. Beerus had no reason to be worried about this.

That's a good catch. Perhaps Old Kaioshin is his link? However, that then brings to the table why Old Kaioshin describes him as he does if he were operating as Hakaishin at the time. We'll just have to wait and see.

EDIT: Actually, my mistake. Beerus was a Hakaishin already. I just remembered an interview addresses this, so we can take that as Old Kaioshin exaggerating the matter.

[Yomi]

That's a good catch. Perhaps Old Kaioshin is his link? However, that then brings to the table why Old Kaioshin describes him as he does if he were operating as Hakaishin at the time. We'll just have to wait and see.

I think they all have to die. That old guy did give his life to Goku.
I think it also explains why there hasn't been any new Kai's yet.
They only reset if all the gods of creation and destruction are dead. The Ying Yang.

[Pannaliciour]

Somebody said this earlyer, *kais have a life span about 75.000 and Beerus million years. So why is Beerus still alive?

[nite_jay]

You know what's funny... Babidi/Bibidi and Buu nearly killing all Kaioshins and Beerus has given no damn about it.

Cool story... Now people will say... Because Beerus was sleeping. What about Whis telling him? Or ket me guess... it isn't allowed

It depends. Beerus did seal away the Elder Supreme Kai, so maybe he wasn't in any trouble at all.
that's assuming that this sealing happened before Buu's attack.

Edit: That incident happened 5 million years before age.
The sealing happened 75 million years before. Beerus had no reason to be worried about this.

That's a good catch. Perhaps Old Kaioshin is his link? However, that then brings to the table why Old Kaioshin describes him as he does if he were operating as Hakaishin at the time. We'll just have to wait and see.

EDIT: Actually, my mistake. Beerus was a Hakaishin already. I just remembered an interview addresses this, so we can take that as Old Kaioshin exaggerating the matter.

If the Elder Kai - Beerus link turns out to be true, this would be a pretty cool retcon imo. It would also give Beerus an actually believable weakness.

[Alee9977]

SO, in U7 there used to be 5 kaioshins, does this mean that there used to be 5 gods of destruction?

[OLKv3]

Goku goes SSj2 against Trunks just like in the anime. Guess SSj2 isn't useless like Toriyama said it was

[Grimlock]

Why would Whis say that the Kaioshins in Future Trunks' timeline are dead if Kaioshin of East helped him defeat Dabura and Babidi?

By the way, what the heck is happening!? Kaioshins and Hakaishins are connected to each other? If a Kaioshin dies, so will a Hakaishin?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Elder Kaioshin alone shouldn't be his link, or else Beerus would have died for a while when he gave up his life for Goku. Presumably that would have woken him up from his 39 year nap.

[ekrolo2]

This makes sense really. Kai's create life and Beerus and his kind exist to destroy it, for balance sake it stands to reason one cannot exist without the other.

Oh, and on Toyotaro bringing back Super Saiyan 2? Here's my stance on power related shit with Super from this day until the end of days:



Just replace Kevin with Super and you get the gist.

[OLKv3]

Why is this key info never in the god damned anime?

The manga explained how Hit uses his power
Explained multiple timelines
Explained why they changed the name to Super saiyan Blue and what the strain was specifically
Now they're explaining how Gods of Destruction relate to Kaioshin

The anime has the time and episodes to include this kind of stuff, but it never does for some reason

[THEGOKU]

Why would Whis say that the Kaioshins in Future Trunks' timeline are dead if Kaioshin of East helped him defeat Dabura and Babidi?

By the way, what the heck is happening!? Kaioshins and Hakaishins are connected to each other? If a Kaioshin dies, so will a Hakaishin?

My thoughts exactly. This is one of those things that just creates a big plot hole unless they have some further explanation that hopefully the next Super episode will cover.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Or maybe it would be revealed in the next episode where Goku goes to see Zen'ou...

Yeah maybe. Remember the Manga doesn't have a lot of wiggle room unlike the anime. This plot point could be further fleshed out in the anime.

[OLKv3]

Why would Whis say that the Kaioshins in Future Trunks' timeline are dead if Kaioshin of East helped him defeat Dabura and Babidi?

By the way, what the heck is happening!? Kaioshins and Hakaishins are connected to each other? If a Kaioshin dies, so will a Hakaishin?

My thoughts exactly. This is one of those things that just creates a big plot hole unless they have some further explanation that hopefully the next Super episode will cover.

He's just guessing maybe? Trunks doesn't tell this story to them about Dabura in the manga? Or Trunks just beat Dabura on his own maybe.

[THEGOKU]

This is turning into one of those things were we have more questions than answers.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Why would Whis say that the Kaioshins in Future Trunks' timeline are dead if Kaioshin of East helped him defeat Dabura and Babidi?

By the way, what the heck is happening!? Kaioshins and Hakaishins are connected to each other? If a Kaioshin dies, so will a Hakaishin?

My thoughts exactly. This is one of those things that just creates a big plot hole unless they have some further explanation that hopefully the next Super episode will cover.

He's just guessing maybe? Trunks doesn't tell this story to them about Dabura in the manga? Or Trunks just beat Dabura on his own maybe.

Trunks mentions that Kaioshin helped him with Dabra in the manga, but he dies in the process. That's what makes Whis mention the connection and that the Hakaishin (Beerus) is likely dead.

[Khin]

Explained why they changed the name to Super saiyan Blue

It wasn't ''changed''. The Blue form was never named in the anime until Vegeta called it Super Saiyan Blue. So i don't see any problem here.

[Chuquita]

I'm kinda surprised they connected the hakaishin's lifelines(?) to the kaioshin. If anything, I'd of thought maybe hakaishin would be connected to their counterpart (so having Beerus and Champa on the same lifeline would act as a buffer to keep one from killing the other).

[sintzu]

The anime has the time and episodes to include this kind of stuff, but it never does for some reason

It's too busy focusing on Pilaf and unfunny gags.

[THEGOKU]

My thoughts exactly. This is one of those things that just creates a big plot hole unless they have some further explanation that hopefully the next Super episode will cover.

He's just guessing maybe? Trunks doesn't tell this story to them about Dabura in the manga? Or Trunks just beat Dabura on his own maybe.

Trunks mentions that Kaioshin helped him with Dabra in the manga, but he dies in the process. That's what makes Whis mention the connection and that the Hakaishin (Beerus) is likely dead.

Thank you for clearing that up because now it makes sense.

[OLKv3]

My thoughts exactly. This is one of those things that just creates a big plot hole unless they have some further explanation that hopefully the next Super episode will cover.

He's just guessing maybe? Trunks doesn't tell this story to them about Dabura in the manga? Or Trunks just beat Dabura on his own maybe.

Trunks mentions that Kaioshin helped him with Dabra in the manga, but he dies in the process. That's what makes Whis mention the connection and that the Hakaishin (Beerus) is likely dead.

Lol. Everyone Trunks associates with dies.