Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Khin]

My nitpicks :
- It should be ''Angry'' and not ''Anger''.
- Monster Zarbon seems low.Vegeta only beat him through a dirty trick.
- Ginyu stated that a PL of 60,000 will be enough to curbstomp the Ginyu force (Exluding him),so i think Jhesse,Butta and Recoome should only at around 40,000 - 45,000 at best.
- Ghurd is too low.No way he'd be too proud of himself or even be in the Ginyu force if his PL is lower than a Low Class Saiyan.
- Post Healing machine Goku is too low,He was keeping up with Initial Final Form Freeza (Who beat the crap out of Post Dende heal Vegeta)
- Why does 2nd Form Freeza is stronger than Piccolo ? Piccolo was destroying him once he removed his weighted clothes.
- Mecha Freeza states that he got stronger than before and is confident that he can beat Goku now so...
- Are you ignoring the official PL of Freeza Arc Kuririn and Gohan as 75,000 and 200,000 ?.Further more,Vegeta thinks Kuririn and Gohan will be some help in the fight against 1st Form Freeza.
- Why Trunks Arc Gohan become way stronger than before and Vegeta only got a little stronger ? Gohan spends most of his time to studying and the fact that he asked Piccolo wether if he is still training hard implies Piccolo didn't train Gohan in those months.
- I loled at the ''Hearth Attack'',Shouldn't it be ''Hearth Virus'' ?
- Don't you think you have Dr.Gero a bit too high ? He got absolutely destroyed by Piccolo.
- Why does Piccolo are slightly stronger than 17 ? It was hinted many times that they are dead even.
- Imperfect Cell is also a bit low,He beat the crap out of 17 with ease.
- 50% MSSj Goku > SSj Grade 2 Vegeta.Vegeta states that Goku surpassed him again when Goku showed his power to Karin (It should be noted that Vegeta didn't know that Goku only used 50% of his Full Power at that time)
- Perfect Cell seems too close to the MSSj's.He was still confident he can beat Goku again if Goku eats a senzu and fight him again even though he is tired at that time.
- Kaioshin should be way stronger than Piccolo.
- Yakon is not weaker than Base Goku.Even Gohan said that they need to team up in order against him (In base only of course)
- Genki Dama should be higher.Only reason Pure Boo was able to back it down a little bit is because Goku it out of energy at that time.And why does it have a boost ?

[DanielSSJ]

My nitpicks :
- Why does 2nd Form Freeza is stronger than Piccolo ? Piccolo was destroying him once he removed his weighted clothes.
- Why does Piccolo are slightly stronger than 17 ? It was hinted many times that they are dead even.

- I actually reread the Piccolo vs. Freeza part of the manga, and as soon as Piccolo drops his weights, Freeza goes straight into his third form. So Piccolo may or may not have been as strong or stronger than Freeza's second form. You could make Piccolo a bit stronger, Freeza a bit stronger, or have them be dead even and it wouldn't contradict anything.
- I see plenty of people give Piccolo a slight power advantage and explain that No. 17's endless stamina helps even the odds. I actually use it in my power level list as well.

On a side note, I don't think it's very courteous to make fun of his spelling and grammar mistakes, especially when you yourself are guilty of making them as well. It's a bit rude, and comes off kind of hypocritical when I see "Why does Piccolo are slightly stronger than 17 ?" in your post. Pointing them out and asking them to correct them is one thing, but mocking them for it isn't cool.

[Khin]

- I actually reread the Piccolo vs. Freeza part of the manga, and as soon as Piccolo drops his weights, Freeza goes straight into his third form. So Piccolo may or may not have been as strong or stronger than Freeza's second form. You could make Piccolo a bit stronger, Freeza a bit stronger, or have them be dead even and it wouldn't contradict anything.
- I see plenty of people give Piccolo a slight power advantage and explain that No. 17's endless stamina helps even the odds. I actually use it in my power level list as well.

- So it was Anime only after all ? Though,I have the filler that was included in DB Kai as my ''canon'' if they don't contradict anything.
- IIRC,there fight was pretty dead even,It was ony hinted that 17 was going two win when Piccolo was starting to get tired.And there's this line.

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3
Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time
No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”

On a side note, I don't think it's very courteous to make fun of his spelling and grammar mistakes, especially when you yourself are guilty of making them as well. It's a bit rude, and comes off kind of hypocritical when I see "Why does Piccolo are slightly stronger than 17 ?" in your post. Pointing them out and asking them to correct them is one thing, but mocking them for it isn't cool.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything here,even I myself is not a native english speaker.He himself said that let him know if he make some mistakes.And you must be also talking about how i loled when he says Hearth Attack.I didn't laugh at it because of how he mistaken it.I laugh at it for some reason that i can't explain.

UPDATED LIST. MINIMUM Possible PLs. I just ignored the Daizenshuu levels of Freezer's Final Form being 120,000,000, and from there I tried to stay as low as I could. There might be some errors obviously, if you guys notice, please point them out. I could even go lower, and I will try, so it's possible this post might get heavily edited.

[emperior]

My nitpicks :
- It should be ''Angry'' and not ''Anger''.
- Monster Zarbon seems low.Vegeta only beat him through a dirty trick.
- Ginyu stated that a PL of 60,000 will be enough to curbstomp the Ginyu force (Exluding him),so i think Jhesse,Butta and Recoome should only at around 40,000 - 45,000 at best.
- Ghurd is too low.No way he'd be too proud of himself or even be in the Ginyu force if his PL is lower than a Low Class Saiyan.
- Post Healing machine Goku is too low,He was keeping up with Initial Final Form Freeza (Who beat the crap out of Post Dende heal Vegeta)
- Why does 2nd Form Freeza is stronger than Piccolo ? Piccolo was destroying him once he removed his weighted clothes.
- Mecha Freeza states that he got stronger than before and is confident that he can beat Goku now so...
- Are you ignoring the official PL of Freeza Arc Kuririn and Gohan as 75,000 and 200,000 ?.Further more,Vegeta thinks Kuririn and Gohan will be some help in the fight against 1st Form Freeza.
- Why Trunks Arc Gohan become way stronger than before and Vegeta only got a little stronger ? Gohan spends most of his time to studying and the fact that he asked Piccolo wether if he is still training hard implies Piccolo didn't train Gohan in those months.
- I loled at the ''Hearth Attack'',Shouldn't it be ''Hearth Virus'' ?
- Don't you think you have Dr.Gero a bit too high ? He got absolutely destroyed by Piccolo.
- Why does Piccolo are slightly stronger than 17 ? It was hinted many times that they are dead even.
- Imperfect Cell is also a bit low,He beat the crap out of 17 with ease.
- 50% MSSj Goku > SSj Grade 2 Vegeta.Vegeta states that Goku surpassed him again when Goku showed his power to Karin (It should be noted that Vegeta didn't know that Goku only used 50% of his Full Power at that time)
- Perfect Cell seems too close to the MSSj's.He was still confident he can beat Goku again if Goku eats a senzu and fight him again even though he is tired at that time.
- Kaioshin should be way stronger than Piccolo.
- Yakon is not weaker than Base Goku.Even Gohan said that they need to team up in order against him (In base only of course)
- Genki Dama should be higher.Only reason Pure Boo was able to back it down a little bit is because Goku it out of energy at that time.And why does it have a boost ?

- I'll correct it, thanks (I wrote the list very fast, it should have been "Anger Boost")
- A dirty trick? Vegeta even stated it was an error by Zarbon to let him live as Saiyans get stronger each time they survive a death battle. Vegeta kills monster Zarbon easily.
- I have Burter at 50k because I think he was the second best after Ginyu. A 60k warrior should be able to easily beat all them considering Nappa also beat every Z Fighter easily and the gap wasn't that big.
- Guldo is very slow and is good only because he uses psychic powers. Vegeta also stated that and told Gohan and Krillin not to underestimate him and to be careful. 1000 is enough, I could state though that his powers can stop fighters with 20-30k of power level.
- Goku was always using Kaioken x10 against Freezer, who was toying with him at the beginning of the battle.
- Those are daizenshuu numbers and they don't make any sense to me. Krillin couldn't have get this stronger.
- I will see it again, you might be right.
- He was confident he could beat Goku because he had his father by his side. He didn't know Goku also got stronger and that's why he got beaten in Trunks' timeline by Goku.
- You are right, I will fix it, thanks.
- You are right again, I will fix it
- A 10 milion difference is big, I could make the gap bigger though
- I always thought Piccolo was stronger than 17 and they got even when Piccolo was tired
- A 20 milion gap is enough to beat the crap out of someone, in my opinion
- As I stated before in my other list, I assume everyone knew Goku was only at 50% because: a)He stopped suddenly when the power was still rising dramatically. b) They know how much time it takes to power up to full power. c) They assume Goku HAD to stop at 50% or else he would have destroyed Korin's tower.
- He was suppressing his power against Goku. So before the Senzu, he probably was still at 490,000,000, enough to beat Goku. He could also be bluffing considering he has a lot of pride and his overconfident in his Perfect form. He was so cocky he let Gohan transform because he thought no one could beat him.
- Where was it stated that Kaioshin is way stronger than Piccolo?
- I will probably bump Yakon power a bit, then
- It has a boost because Goku boosted it when he turned Super Saiyan after they made Porunga heal him

[Khin]

- I'll correct it, thanks (I wrote the list very fast, it should have been "Anger Boost")
- A dirty trick? Vegeta even stated it was an error by Zarbon to let him live as Saiyans get stronger each time they survive a death battle. Vegeta kills monster Zarbon easily.
- I have Burter at 50k because I think he was the second best after Ginyu. A 60k warrior should be able to easily beat all them considering Nappa also beat every Z Fighter easily and the gap wasn't that big.
- Guldo is very slow and is good only because he uses psychic powers. Vegeta also stated that and told Gohan and Krillin not to underestimate him and to be careful. 1000 is enough, I could state though that his powers can stop fighters with 20-30k of power level.
- Goku was always using Kaioken x10 against Freezer, who was toying with him at the beginning of the battle.
- Those are daizenshuu numbers and they don't make any sense to me. Krillin couldn't have get this stronger.
- He was confident he could beat Goku because he had his father by his side. He didn't know Goku also got stronger and that's why he got beaten in Trunks' timeline by Goku.
- A 10 milion difference is big, I could make the gap bigger though
- I always thought Piccolo was stronger than 17 and they got even when Piccolo was tired
- A 20 milion gap is enough to beat the crap out of someone, in my opinion
- As I stated before in my other list, I assume everyone knew Goku was only at 50% because: a)He stopped suddenly when the power was still rising dramatically. b) They know how much time it takes to power up to full power. c) They assume Goku HAD to stop at 50% or else he would have destroyed Karin's tower.
- He was suppressing his power against Goku. So before the Senzu, he probably was still at 490,000,000, enough to beat Goku. He could also be bluffing considering he has a lot of pride and his overconfident in his Perfect form. He was so cocky he let Gohan transform because he thought no one could beat him.
- Where was it stated that Kaioshin is way stronger than Piccolo?
- It has a boost because Goku boosted it when he turned Super Saiyan after they made Porunga heal him

- No problem
- If you watch the fight,Vegeta and Zarbon have an even fight until he threw sands in his face making him off guard.And before they fought.Vegeta said that there first fight made Zarbon overconfident so catching him off guard to win would be easy.
- I don't think Butta is the second command.The Three of them seem to be in the same rank.And except for Piccolo,the Z-senshi all are more than 2x weaker than Nappa.
- I don't think Ghurd is slow at all.He was able to dodge Gohan and Kuririn's attacks.Putting him at 10,000 would be plausible since that would have him a 30%-40% disadvantage in power to Gohan and Kuririn.
- It was only stated during mid fight.But it was never stated that he was using it right from the start back when he kicked Freeza's face.
- Why wouldn't it make sense ? They got a power up through Guru and Vegeta said that there power was growing overtime.And as i said before,Vegeta said Kuririn and Gohan will be some help against 1st Form Freeza.Here's the line.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”

And.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”

- He has confident that he alone can beat him.Freeza never knew that Goku trained in Yardrat and also got stronger than before so it's safe to say that the strongest Goku he knew is SSj on Namek meaning Freeza at least reached at that tier.

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P13.3-4
Cold: “The Earthlings don’t matter, but the Super Saiyan alone we absolutely must exterminate, by any means. The one who holds the greatest power in the universe must without a doubt be our clan”
Freeza: “We can definitely defeat him if we go at him together, Papa. And I’ve powered up too, so I think I can probably go alone.”

- A 20% gap is big,but seeing how Piccolo fared against Dr.Gero looks like it is more than a 20% gap.But it seems like you changed it.
- 17 himself stated that they were on par but he will win because of his stamina.

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3
Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time
No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”

- 200 Million and 180 Million is only around 11% gap.The gap between 70% Beerus and SSjG Goku in BOG Movie is around 16% and Goku was still able to land some hits.The gap between Saiyan Arc Kaioken Goku and Saiyan Arc Vegeta is also around 12%.
- This got me confused a bit.
- Cell is not dumb,in fact he is one of the most intellegent villains in the series,if he knew that he's going to get shitted on,he will find another way.He get his ass kicked by Gohan due to a miscalculation and he underestimate him too much.
- Piccolo himself stated that Kaioshin is way stronger than him.Daizenshuu also stated that Kaioshin possess a power way higer than Piccolo.

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo resigns from his and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next.”
Note: Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. You can find a lot of instances of people being described as in “a different dimension” throughout these quotes, like Tenshinhan talking about Super Saiyan Goku, or the narrator describing final form Freeza. In Viz the line is made vaguer (“He is a different order of being”), which makes it sound like Piccolo could just be talking about how Kaioshin is a super-god, rather than about his strength per-say. Anyway, though Piccolo is pretty much flat-out saying Kaioshin is way stronger than him here, you could still argue that he's either mistaken or lying...I guess.

Kaioshin (East Kaioshin)
The god who currently stands above all other gods in the world
History:He alone survived when the other 4 Kaioshins (including the Dai-Kaioshin) were all either absorbed or killed by Majin Buu, the creation of the wizard Bibidi. After Majin Buu was resurrected by the wizard Bibidi’s son Babidi, he merges with his attendant Kibito through the Potara, becoming unable to return to his previous form.
First Appearance: chapter 437
Special Characteristics: Despite his small and weak appearance, he gives off the sense that he is concealing great power. He has an overly serious personality, and is excessively self-conscious. He also has telepathic powers, and can communicate with people over long distances. He supervised the East Area, and though originally there were 5 Kaioshins, he and his attendant Kibito are all that are left now, and so are the grand gods who stand over all. (Daizenshuu 2, p.176)
Techniques:Kiai cannon, paralysis, etc
Battles: His strength is far superior to the Super Namekian Piccolo, but he was still the weakest out of the 5 Kaioshins who used to exist. He was beaten up to the verge of death by Majin Buu both before and after Buu’s revival.
Tenkaichi Budoukai: He entered the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai, calling himself “Shin” to disguise identity. He passed through the preliminaries, and won by default against Piccolo in the first round.

- Goku didn't boost it.He turned SSj so he can push it more.

[apex_pretador]

how come freeza 50% is 15 M , while freeza 100% + KKx20 KHH damage + SB damage + beatdown from SS goku damage + all other damage from all fights = 40 M ?
Even if he was undamaged, he can't be over 30 M by your numbers.

[emperior]

how come freeza 50% is 15 M , while freeza 100% + KKx20 KHH damage + SB damage + beatdown from SS goku damage + all other damage from all fights = 40 M ?
Even if he was undamaged, he can't be over 30 M by your numbers.

Goku was also very damaged. I just assume when they power up (Freezer to 100% and Goku to SSJ) their battle damage is undone.

[apex_pretador]

how come freeza 50% is 15 M , while freeza 100% + KKx20 KHH damage + SB damage + beatdown from SS goku damage + all other damage from all fights = 40 M ?
Even if he was undamaged, he can't be over 30 M by your numbers.

Goku was also very damaged. I just assume when they power up (Freezer to 100% and Goku to SSJ) their battle damage is undone.

But still, won't it make him 30 million? 50% x 2 = 100%
15 x 2 = 30 ?

[apex_pretador]

- 17 himself stated that they were on par but he will win because of his stamina.

17 stated he can take cell down, after watching piccolo go all out in that light grenade & cell tanking it, & 2 shotting piccolo.

[emperior]

I decided to change Potara's Fusion power.
It made no sense for it to be A+B x 150 on Manga and A+B x 750 on Anime, as it wouldn't explain why Supreme Kai + Kibito fusion was worthless and why Goku didn't want to fuse with anyone except Gohan or Vegeta.
So I've made it the average of the power levels of the two fusee, x300 on Manga and x1500 on Anime. This doesn't change Vegito's PL but explains why he's this strong and still makes Potara far better than Fusion Dance.

[DanielSSJ]

I decided to change Potara's Fusion power.
It made no sense for it to be A+B x 150 on Manga and A+B x 750 on Anime, as it wouldn't explain why Supreme Kai + Kibito fusion was worthless and why Goku didn't want to fuse with anyone except Gohan or Vegeta.
So I've made it the average of the power levels of the two fusee, x300 on Manga and x1500 on Anime. This doesn't change Vegito's PL but explains why he's this strong and still makes Potara far better than Fusion Dance.

If I were to use a multiplier for Potara, it would look something like: (A+B)x(100/(A/B)), with B being the weaker fighter. With Goku and Vegeta, who are about equal strength, their fusion would be 200x stronger than themselves, whereas Kibito and Kaioshin, who are very different in power, would only end up being 2x Kaioshin's power after fusing and end up in the low Super Saiyan 2 tier of strength. It isn't air-tight, which is why I usually don't bother with a fusion formula, but it would account for the differences in the fusees strength. Of Course, there are other variables, such as size, race, over-all potential, and personal relationship between the fusees.

[emperior]

I decided to change Potara's Fusion power.
It made no sense for it to be A+B x 150 on Manga and A+B x 750 on Anime, as it wouldn't explain why Supreme Kai + Kibito fusion was worthless and why Goku didn't want to fuse with anyone except Gohan or Vegeta.
So I've made it the average of the power levels of the two fusee, x300 on Manga and x1500 on Anime. This doesn't change Vegito's PL but explains why he's this strong and still makes Potara far better than Fusion Dance.

If I were to use a multiplier for Potara, it would look something like: (A+B)x(100/(A/B)), with B being the weaker fighter. With Goku and Vegeta, who are about equal strength, their fusion would be 200x stronger than themselves, whereas Kibito and Kaioshin, who are very different in power, would only end up being 2x Kaioshin's power after fusing and end up in the low Super Saiyan 2 tier of strength. It isn't air-tight, which is why I usually don't bother with a fusion formula, but it would account for the differences in the fusees strength. Of Course, there are other variables, such as size, race, over-all potential, and personal relationship between the fusees.

Yeah the formula can't be exact, so I tried to make it so that base Vegito is slightly stronger than Buuhan in anime, so I found a formula that could make it possible.

[emperior]

UPDATED LIST. MINIMUM Possible PLs. I ignore Daizenshuu power levels, and stay as low as I can.
There might still be some errors so if you guys notice, please point them out. I think this is the minimum power levels can be.


Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ Grade 2 - 60x Base with 5% speed loss
SSJ Grade 3 - 80x Base with 10% speed loss
FPSSJ - 60x Base with no drawbacks
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 150x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 4
Potara = Average of PL x50

Dragon Ball Z


Freezer’s Saga

Spoiler:

Goku after Zenkai
Base - 300,000
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Super Saiyan - 15,000,000

Krillin - 15,000

Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo - 1,150,000

Vegeta
Base - 300,000
After Zenkai - 1,200,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,100,000
3rd form - 3,000,000
Final Form 50% - 6,000,000
Final Form - 10,300,000
100% Form - 12,000,000

Trunks Arc

Spoiler:

Mecha Freezer - 16,000,000
King Cold - 10,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,000,000
SSJ - 50,000,000
Goku
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Vegeta - 1,300,000
Piccolo - 1,200,000
Gohan - 250,000
Krillin - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 1,400,000
SSJ - 70,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 15,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 1,500,000
SSJ - 75,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Piccolo - 50,000,000


Gohan - 750,000
Tenshinhan - 100,000
Krillin - 120,000
Yamcha - 80,000


Android 19 - 15,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 25,000,000
Dr.Gero - 25,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 35,000,000


Android 18 - 85,000,000
Android 17 - 90,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 90,000,000
Worn Out - 85,000,000

Android 16 - 100,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 80,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 100,000,000
Semi Perfect - 210,000,000
Perfect Cell - 330,000,000


Vegeta
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 270,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,250,000
SSJ - 212,500,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 255,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 - 340,000,000
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power level his slightly higher than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 5,000,000
FPSSJ - 300,000,000
After battle with Cell - 200,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed vs Goku - 300,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 520,000,000
Full Power - 340,000,000
Super Perfect - 600,000,000

Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
FPSSJ - 330,000,000
SSJ2 - 550,000,000
Enraged SSJ2 - 600,000,000
Wounded - 450,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 700,000,000

Cell Jr - 260,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 4,600,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 276,000,000
Trunks
Base - 4,400,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 264,000,000

Piccolo - 250,000,000

The Future

Spoiler:

Future Android 17- 80,000,000
Future Android 18- 70,000,000

Future Gohan
Base - 800,000
SSJ - 40,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
Post 3 years - 4,600,000
FPSSJ - 276,000,000

Future Cell- 65,000,000

Babidi Saga

Spoiler:

Gohan
Base - 5,200,000
SSJ - 260,000,000

Post Training - 5,400,000
FPSSJ - 324,000,000
SSJ2 - 540,000,000

Goten
Base - 1,000,000
FPSSJ - 60,000,000

Post Training with Gohan - 1,500,000
FPSSJ - 90,000,000

Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
FPSSJ - 72,000,000

Post Training with Vegeta- 1,600,000
FPSSJ - 96,000,000

(Both Goten and Trunks are naturally FPSSJ. They are both strong enough to scare Android 18. From now on EVERY Saiyan has 60x SSJ multiplier, assuming they have all mastered it)

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 360,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 5,800,000
SSJ - 348,000,000
SSJ2 - 580,000,000
Majin SSJ - 360,000,000
Majin SSJ2 - 600,000,000

Krillin - 150,000
Android 18 - 85,000,000

Piccolo - 260,000,000
Kaioshin- 400,000,000
Kibito - 5,400,000


Pui-Pui - 100,000
Yakon - 10,000,000
Dabura - 500,000,000

Majin Buu
Full Power - 800,000,000
Good Buu - 400,000,000
Evil Buu - 600,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 12,500,000
SSJ - 750,000,000

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Goten - 2,400,000
Trunks - 2,600,000

Gotenks
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 900,000,000
SSJ3 - 2,250,000,000

(Gotenks was clearly better than Super Buu and he knew, but decided to play around)

Mystic Gohan - 2,500,000,000

Super Buu - 2,000,000,000
Buutenks - 4,500,000,000
Buuhan - 5,000,000,000


Vegito
Base - 300,000,000
SSJ - 15,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 900,000,000

SSJ3 Goku - 850,000,000
Full Power - 950,000,000
(If Goku could use his SSJ3 at full power he would have beaten Kid Buu)

Genkidama - ???

Dragon Ball Super


Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000
SSG - 65,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 9,000,000,000

Beerus
Full Power - 100,000,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 1% - 1,000,000,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 10,000,000,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 70,000,000,000

Whis
Full Power - 150,000,000,000

Revival of Freezer Arc

Spoiler:

Goku with God Ki
Base - 7,000,000,000
SSB - 70,000,000,000

Vegeta with God Ki
Base - 7,100,000,000
SSB - 71,000,000,000

Freezer
1st Form - 1,300,000,000
4th Form - 6,500,000,000
Golden - 75,000,000,000
Exhausted - 65,000,000,000


Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
SSJ - 275,000,000

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 25,000
Post-Training - 250,000,000

[DanielSSJ]

UPDATED LIST. MINIMUM Possible PLs. I ignore Daizenshuu power levels, and stay as low as I can.
There might still be some errors so if you guys notice, please point them out. I think this is the minimum power levels can be.


Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ Grade 2 - 60x Base with 5% speed loss
SSJ Grade 3 - 80x Base with 10% speed loss
FPSSJ - 60x Base with no drawbacks
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 150x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 4
Potara = Average of PL x100

Dragon Ball Z


Freezer’s Saga

Spoiler:

Goku after Zenkai
Base - 300,000
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Super Saiyan - 15,000,000

Krillin - 15,000

Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo - 1,150,000

Vegeta
Base - 300,000
After Zenkai - 1,200,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,100,000
3rd form - 3,000,000
Final Form 50% - 6,000,000
Final Form - 10,300,000
100% Form - 12,000,000

Trunks Arc

Spoiler:

Mecha Freezer - 16,000,000
King Cold - 10,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,000,000
SSJ - 50,000,000
Goku
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Vegeta - 1,300,000
Piccolo - 1,200,000
Gohan - 250,000
Krillin - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 1,400,000
SSJ - 70,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 15,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 1,500,000
SSJ - 75,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Piccolo - 50,000,000


Gohan - 750,000
Tenshinhan - 100,000
Krillin - 120,000
Yamcha - 80,000


Android 19 - 15,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 25,000,000
Dr.Gero - 25,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 35,000,000


Android 18 - 85,000,000
Android 17 - 90,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 90,000,000
Worn Out - 85,000,000

Android 16 - 100,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 80,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 100,000,000
Semi Perfect - 210,000,000
Perfect Cell - 330,000,000


Vegeta
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 270,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,250,000
SSJ - 212,500,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 255,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 - 340,000,000
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power level his slightly higher than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 5,000,000
FPSSJ - 300,000,000
After battle with Cell - 200,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed vs Goku - 300,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 520,000,000
Full Power - 340,000,000
Super Perfect - 600,000,000

Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
FPSSJ - 330,000,000
SSJ2 - 550,000,000
Enraged SSJ2 - 600,000,000
Wounded - 450,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 700,000,000

Cell Jr - 260,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 4,600,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 276,000,000
Trunks
Base - 4,400,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 264,000,000

Piccolo - 250,000,000

The Future

Spoiler:

Future Android 17- 80,000,000
Future Android 18- 70,000,000

Future Gohan
Base - 800,000
SSJ - 40,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
Post 3 years - 4,600,000
FPSSJ - 276,000,000

Future Cell- 65,000,000

Babidi Saga

Spoiler:

Gohan
Base - 5,200,000
SSJ - 260,000,000

Post Training - 5,400,000
FPSSJ - 324,000,000
SSJ2 - 540,000,000

Goten
Base - 1,000,000
FPSSJ - 60,000,000

Post Training with Gohan - 1,500,000
FPSSJ - 90,000,000

Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
FPSSJ - 72,000,000

Post Training with Vegeta- 1,600,000
FPSSJ - 96,000,000

(Both Goten and Trunks are naturally FPSSJ. They are both strong enough to scare Android 18. From now on EVERY Saiyan has 60x SSJ multiplier, assuming they have all mastered it)

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 360,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 5,800,000
SSJ - 348,000,000
SSJ2 - 580,000,000
Majin SSJ - 360,000,000
Majin SSJ2 - 600,000,000

Krillin - 150,000
Android 18 - 85,000,000

Piccolo - 260,000,000
Kaioshin- 400,000,000
Kibito - 5,400,000


Pui-Pui - 100,000
Yakon - 10,000,000
Dabura - 500,000,000

Majin Buu
Full Power - 800,000,000
Good Buu - 400,000,000
Evil Buu - 600,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 12,500,000
SSJ - 750,000,000

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Goten - 2,400,000
Trunks - 2,600,000

Gotenks
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 900,000,000
SSJ3 - 2,250,000,000

(Gotenks was clearly better than Super Buu and he knew, but decided to play around)

Mystic Gohan - 2,500,000,000

Super Buu - 2,000,000,000
Buutenks - 4,500,000,000
Buuhan - 5,000,000,000


Vegito
Base - 600,000,000
SSJ - 30,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 900,000,000

SSJ3 Goku - 850,000,000
Full Power - 950,000,000
(If Goku could use his SSJ3 at full power he would have beaten Kid Buu)

Genkidama - ???

Dragon Ball Super


Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000
SSG - 65,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 9,000,000,000

Beerus
Full Power - 100,000,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 1% - 1,000,000,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 10,000,000,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 70,000,000,000

Whis
Full Power - 150,000,000,000

Revival of Freezer Arc

Spoiler:

Goku with God Ki
Base - 7,000,000,000
SSB - 70,000,000,000

Vegeta with God Ki
Base - 7,100,000,000
SSB - 71,000,000,000

Freezer
1st Form - 1,300,000,000
4th Form - 6,500,000,000
Golden - 75,000,000,000
Exhausted - 65,000,000,000


Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
SSJ - 275,000,000

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 25,000
Post-Training - 250,000,000

I don't really care if you want to do a minimal list or ignore the Daizenshuu numbers, but the idea that Goku was using Kaioken x10 throughout the fight is kind of asinine. Also, how did Goku get 4 times stronger in the year between his fight with Freeza and Trunks' arrival? Especially considering how he only goes from 60 to 70 in three years. That power scaling is a bit messed up, don't you think?

[apex_pretador]

UPDATED LIST. MINIMUM Possible PLs. I ignore Daizenshuu power levels, and stay as low as I can.
There might still be some errors so if you guys notice, please point them out. I think this is the minimum power levels can be.


Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ Grade 2 - 60x Base with 5% speed loss
SSJ Grade 3 - 80x Base with 10% speed loss
FPSSJ - 60x Base with no drawbacks
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 150x Base

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 4
Potara = Average of PL x100

Dragon Ball Z


Freezer’s Saga

Spoiler:

Goku after Zenkai
Base - 300,000
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Super Saiyan - 15,000,000

Krillin - 15,000

Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 200,000
Angry - 1,000,000

Piccolo - 1,150,000

Vegeta
Base - 300,000
After Zenkai - 1,200,000

Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,100,000
3rd form - 3,000,000
Final Form 50% - 6,000,000
Final Form - 10,300,000
100% Form - 12,000,000

Trunks Arc

Spoiler:

Mecha Freezer - 16,000,000
King Cold - 10,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,000,000
SSJ - 50,000,000
Goku
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Vegeta - 1,300,000
Piccolo - 1,200,000
Gohan - 250,000
Krillin - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000

Android Saga

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 1,400,000
SSJ - 70,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 15,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 1,500,000
SSJ - 75,000,000

Future Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
SSJ - 60,000,000

Piccolo - 50,000,000


Gohan - 750,000
Tenshinhan - 100,000
Krillin - 120,000
Yamcha - 80,000


Android 19 - 15,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 25,000,000
Dr.Gero - 25,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 35,000,000


Android 18 - 85,000,000
Android 17 - 90,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 90,000,000
Worn Out - 85,000,000

Android 16 - 100,000,000

Cell
Imperfect - 80,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 100,000,000
Semi Perfect - 210,000,000
Perfect Cell - 330,000,000


Vegeta
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 270,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,250,000
SSJ - 212,500,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 255,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 - 340,000,000
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power level his slightly higher than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 5,000,000
FPSSJ - 300,000,000
After battle with Cell - 200,000,000

Perfect Cell
Suppressed vs Goku - 300,000,000
Suppressed vs Gohan - 520,000,000
Full Power - 340,000,000
Super Perfect - 600,000,000

Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
FPSSJ - 330,000,000
SSJ2 - 550,000,000
Enraged SSJ2 - 600,000,000
Wounded - 450,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 700,000,000

Cell Jr - 260,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 4,600,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 276,000,000
Trunks
Base - 4,400,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 264,000,000

Piccolo - 250,000,000

The Future

Spoiler:

Future Android 17- 80,000,000
Future Android 18- 70,000,000

Future Gohan
Base - 800,000
SSJ - 40,000,000

Trunks
Base - 4,500,000
SSJ - 225,000,000
Post 3 years - 4,600,000
FPSSJ - 276,000,000

Future Cell- 65,000,000

Babidi Saga

Spoiler:

Gohan
Base - 5,200,000
SSJ - 260,000,000

Post Training - 5,400,000
FPSSJ - 324,000,000
SSJ2 - 540,000,000

Goten
Base - 1,000,000
FPSSJ - 60,000,000

Post Training with Gohan - 1,500,000
FPSSJ - 90,000,000

Trunks
Base - 1,200,000
FPSSJ - 72,000,000

Post Training with Vegeta- 1,600,000
FPSSJ - 96,000,000

(Both Goten and Trunks are naturally FPSSJ. They are both strong enough to scare Android 18. From now on EVERY Saiyan has 60x SSJ multiplier, assuming they have all mastered it)

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 360,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 5,800,000
SSJ - 348,000,000
SSJ2 - 580,000,000
Majin SSJ - 360,000,000
Majin SSJ2 - 600,000,000

Krillin - 150,000
Android 18 - 85,000,000

Piccolo - 260,000,000
Kaioshin- 400,000,000
Kibito - 5,400,000


Pui-Pui - 100,000
Yakon - 10,000,000
Dabura - 500,000,000

Majin Buu
Full Power - 800,000,000
Good Buu - 400,000,000
Evil Buu - 600,000,000

Gotenks
Base - 12,500,000
SSJ - 750,000,000

Buu Saga

Spoiler:

Goten - 2,400,000
Trunks - 2,600,000

Gotenks
Base - 15,000,000
SSJ - 900,000,000
SSJ3 - 2,250,000,000

(Gotenks was clearly better than Super Buu and he knew, but decided to play around)

Mystic Gohan - 2,500,000,000

Super Buu - 2,000,000,000
Buutenks - 4,500,000,000
Buuhan - 5,000,000,000


Vegito
Base - 600,000,000
SSJ - 30,000,000,000

Kid Buu - 900,000,000

SSJ3 Goku - 850,000,000
Full Power - 950,000,000
(If Goku could use his SSJ3 at full power he would have beaten Kid Buu)

Genkidama - ???

Dragon Ball Super


Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000
SSG - 65,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 9,000,000,000

Beerus
Full Power - 100,000,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 1% - 1,000,000,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 10,000,000,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 70,000,000,000

Whis
Full Power - 150,000,000,000

Revival of Freezer Arc

Spoiler:

Goku with God Ki
Base - 7,000,000,000
SSB - 70,000,000,000

Vegeta with God Ki
Base - 7,100,000,000
SSB - 71,000,000,000

Freezer
1st Form - 1,300,000,000
4th Form - 6,500,000,000
Golden - 75,000,000,000
Exhausted - 65,000,000,000


Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
SSJ - 275,000,000

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 25,000
Post-Training - 250,000,000

Seriously bro, a few issues:

- How is goku isn't atleast 1.5x Super vegeta ? Vegeta & trunks were awe-struck like there is nothing like this they've ever sensed. Trunks sensed initial PC (bulk form) before. Vegeta was less than 65% (at best) goku.

- Freeza fought & was even with goku, with goku actually gaining upper hand. After that, he powers up to a point where he is dominating goku without arms. After that , goku powers up & forces freeza to use 50% of his power. After that, goku uses 20x KK. No way in hell can goku KK x10 be equal to 3rd form F.

- Suppressed PC vs goku was way stronger than the cell trunks fought.

- Base gotenks (pre) must be stronger than piccolo , & post HTC base gotenks is definitely stronger than piccolo by a good deal.

- Both goku & majin vegeta must be a good bit stronger than CG gohan at his best.

- Fat buu must be over 2x SS2 gohan.

- BoG SS3 goku weaker than gohan & gotenks ? Also, vegetto was useless for a heavily suppressed beerus even before seeing his true power.

[apex_pretador]

Movies list:
They follow the power level list from my previous posts (see signature)

Dead Zone:

Spoiler:

Garlic Jr - 300 , bulk up - 600
Kami - 230 (weakened due to age)
Piccolo - 322 , 408
Goku - 334 , 416

World's strongest:

Spoiler:

Roshi - 139 , KHH - 300
Saibaman ripoffs - 120
Krillin - 220
Bio-fighters - 400
Gohan - 100 , angry & confident - 700 , enraged - 1307
Piccolo - 600
Goku - 600 , KK x3 - 1800 , KK x4 - 2400 , KHH - 3000
Dr wheelo - 3000

Tree of might:

Spoiler:

Piccolo - 18,000
Turles - 26,000 , fruit - 326,000 , 2nd fruit - 626,000
Goku - 30,001 , KK x10 - 300,010
Gohan - 10,000

Lord slug:

Spoiler:

Piccolo - 40,000
Gohan - 20,000
Slug's henchmen - 20,000-40,000
Old slug - 80,000
Young slug - 400,000 , giant - 1,500,000 (stronger than 2nd form freeza)
Goku - 48,000 , SS - 1,200,000 , Piccolo's energy - 40,000 , KK x100 - 4,000,000

Cooler's arrival:

Spoiler:

Goku - 6,000,000 , KKx10 KHH - 75,000,000 , SS - 150,000,000
Cooler - 5,000,000 , 5th form - 120,000,000
Piccolo - 2,500,000
Salza - 2,000,000

(meta cooler is too weird)

Super 13:

Spoiler:

SS goku - 150,000,000
SS vegeta / trunks - 130,000,000
Piccolo - 120,000,000
#14 - 100,000,000
#15 - 110,000,000
#13 - 150,000,000
Super 13 - 260,000,000
Base shirtless goku - 600,000,000

Legendary super saiyan:

Spoiler:

Piccolo - 450,000,000
Vegeta -420,000,000 , enraged - 520,000,000
Goku - 560,000,000 , tired - 400,000,000 , everyone but vegeta - 850,000,000 , fully charged - 1,100,000,000
Gohan - 360,000,000
Trunks - 410,000,000
Broly LSS - 900,000,000 , 990,000,000 (max power)
Krillin - 1,000,000
Roshi - 2000 (buff form)

Bojack:

Spoiler:

Trunks - 11,000,000 , SS - 550,000,000
Kogu - 15,000,000 , green - 150,000,000
Tien - 12,500,000 (WTF?)
Bojack's crew - 560,000,000 - 640,000,000 (but they have good teamwork)
Gohan - 800,000,000 , 1,600,000 (SS2)
Vegeta - 600,000,000
Piccolo - 600,000,000 (Really?)
Bojack - 800,000,000 , green - 1,000,000,000
Goku - 820,000,000

Broly again:

Spoiler:

Broly - SS 980,000,000 , LSS - 1,700,000,000 , max power - 2,000,000,000
Gohan - 660,000,000 (SS) , SS2 - 1,320,000,000
Goten - 500,000,000
Family KameHameHa - 2,500,000,000

Janemba reborn:

Spoiler:

Fat janemba - 4,800,000,000
Goku SS3 - 8,400,000,000
Vegeta (base) - 20,000,000 , SS2 - 2,000,000,000
Super janemba - 10,600,000,000 , FP - 13,000,000,000
Freeza (30%) - 36,000,000
Gohan - 60,000,000 (Z sword training complete)
Gotenks - 2,000,000,000 (SS)
Veku (Fat gogeta) - 3,000,000,000
Super Gogeta - 150,000,000,000

The wrath of goku:

Spoiler:

Gohan - 13,000,000,000
SS goku/vegeta - 8,000,000,000
SS2 goku/vegeta - 16,000,000,000
Hirdugarn - 10,000,000,000(half) ,25,000,000,000
SS3 gotenks - 30,000,000,000
SS3 goku - 64,000,000,000 , super dragon fist - 96,000,000,000
Super Hirdugarn - 75,000,000,000 (WTF ?)

[emperior]

[/spoiler]

I don't really care if you want to do a minimal list or ignore the Daizenshuu numbers, but the idea that Goku was using Kaioken x10 throughout the fight is kind of asinine. Also, how did Goku get 4 times stronger in the year between his fight with Freeza and Trunks' arrival? Especially considering how he only goes from 60 to 70 in three years. That power scaling is a bit messed up, don't you think?

Well maybe at the beginning of the fight Goku was using less than 10x Kaioken, we will never know for certain.
The power scaling isn't messed up at all if you consider Vegeta made the same gains with a Zenkai when he got hit by Krillin and then healed by Dende.
I assume that after they reach 1+ milion in their base form, Zenkai stops being so good.

[/spoiler]

Seriously bro, a few issues:

- How is goku isn't atleast 1.5x Super vegeta ? Vegeta & trunks were awe-struck like there is nothing like this they've ever sensed. Trunks sensed initial PC (bulk form) before. Vegeta was less than 65% (at best) goku.

- Freeza fought & was even with goku, with goku actually gaining upper hand. After that, he powers up to a point where he is dominating goku without arms. After that , goku powers up & forces freeza to use 50% of his power. After that, goku uses 20x KK. No way in hell can goku KK x10 be equal to 3rd form F.

- Suppressed PC vs goku was way stronger than the cell trunks fought.

- Base gotenks (pre) must be stronger than piccolo , & post HTC base gotenks is definitely stronger than piccolo by a good deal.

- Both goku & majin vegeta must be a good bit stronger than CG gohan at his best.

- Fat buu must be over 2x SS2 gohan.

- BoG SS3 goku weaker than gohan & gotenks ? Also, vegetto was useless for a heavily suppressed beerus even before seeing his true power.

- As I've stated before, to avoid power levels sky rocketing I always assume the others knew Goku wasn't as its full power when powering up at Korin's tower.
- I don't get your point, what would you change?
- When was it stated? I don't remember Trunks saying anything at all, I might be wrong though.
- This would make Gotenks' PL totally ridiculous, and I don't remember a single statement of Piccolo being weaker than base Gotenks.
- They are already stronger than CG Gohan by a decent amount.
- That would mess up my power levels, do you remember if it was stated in the manga? My memory is a bit rusty...
- Yeah SS3 Goku is probably weaker than them by BoG arc. That statement of Goku is completely wrong in my opinion. Maybe seeing how effortlessly he was defeated by Beerus, he assumed that he was heavily suppressing his true power. Or maybe he meant Gogeta, or that statement was as wrong as Freezer saying his power level can get to 1.3 milion on RoF. I will nerf Vegito a little though (as I don't follow his anime PL)

[Kaboom]

Just for the sake of clarity if nothing else... there's no uncertainty about the Kaio-Ken, at least in the manga. No matter what level of the technique Goku uses, the tell-tale aura always shows up when he does it.

He had the aura when he unsuccessfully rushed 50% Freeza, just a page or two before Kaio commented that Goku was already using the x10. The full-color edition even made sure the aura had the Kaio-Ken colors. So that's when it happened, right there, and there was no Kaio-Ken usage before then.

For this one fight to have an "invisible Kaio-Ken" would be a huge aberration from every instance before it, and has no actual evidence to support it. It comes from the old mis-translations of Goku and Freeza's powers as 12 and 15 million instead of 120 and 150, and maybe a bad dub line or two as well.

[Hugo Boss]

- As I've stated before, to avoid power levels sky rocketing I always assume the others knew Goku wasn't as its full power when powering up at Karin's tower.
- Yeah SS3 Goku is probably weaker than them by BoG arc. That statement of Goku is completely wrong in my opinion.

- They didn't know Goku was hiding more power. Except for Gohan, they were all surprised when Goku went all-out in the Cell Games.
- Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan. We don't know about Gotenks. And what reason do you have to doubt Goku's statement?

[emperior]

- As I've stated before, to avoid power levels sky rocketing I always assume the others knew Goku wasn't as its full power when powering up at Karin's tower.
- Yeah SS3 Goku is probably weaker than them by BoG arc. That statement of Goku is completely wrong in my opinion.

- They didn't know Goku was hiding more power. Except for Gohan, they were all surprised when Goku went all-out in the Cell Games.
- Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan. We don't know about Gotenks. And what reason do you have to doubt Goku's statement?

Ok now tell me why Gohan should be weaker than both Goku and Vegeta by BoG arc.
And if you really want to take all the statements seriously, then 1st form Freezer is 1.3 milion. Meaning that Gohan and Piccolo are back to their Namek Saga power levels because they got wrecked by 1st form Freezer.
So I VERY much doubt that Goku's BoG statement. SSJ3 Vegito should be able to put up a decent enough fight with Beerus, so probably he meant Gogeta (so his added scene on BoG is worthless) and if I remember correctly, in Super he just said a generic "not even fusing with Vegeta would work"