Still no. Uub is stronger than Pure Buu at this point and Pan is lucky to be stronger than Semi perfect Cell.Kid Buu wrote:I'm not a GT expert so I didn't know it was that different, I just put them together as they were the two new protagonists.
Would Pan vs pre-Buu fusion Uub work?
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No my friend!! Just Oob is too damn strong for Pan.Kid Buu wrote:I'm not a GT expert so I didn't know it was that different, I just put them together as they were the two new protagonists.
Would Pan vs pre-Buu fusion Uub work?
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D-d-damn! Makes you wonder why Goku never considered bringing Uub to space with him then.
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Actually, Pan might be able to defeat start-of-GT Oob. That Oob (before his MOUNTAIN TRAINING) was only comparable to base adult Goku, and Pan (enraged or otherwise) could possibly be above that.
Been away for a while, so I'll just answer some of the ones I remember from my thread skimming...
Oob vs U. Gohan- Gohan wins. I don't presume anyone can use Kaio-ken except Goku, due to other characters having the chance but not showing it.
Gogeta vs Boohan or Gohan- Movie 12 Gogeta would be able to beat Boohan with SS3, hypothetical manga Gogeta would lose in all four scenarios mentioned.
Goku Jr vs Tao Pai Pai Goku Jr stomps in base, he put up an admiral fight against GT Boar.
And... that's all I remember.
EDIT: I forgot about the Toei website's comment about Janemba's strength.
Movie 12 Gogeta takes out Boohan with SS1.
Been away for a while, so I'll just answer some of the ones I remember from my thread skimming...
Oob vs U. Gohan- Gohan wins. I don't presume anyone can use Kaio-ken except Goku, due to other characters having the chance but not showing it.
Gogeta vs Boohan or Gohan- Movie 12 Gogeta would be able to beat Boohan with SS3, hypothetical manga Gogeta would lose in all four scenarios mentioned.
Goku Jr vs Tao Pai Pai Goku Jr stomps in base, he put up an admiral fight against GT Boar.
And... that's all I remember.
EDIT: I forgot about the Toei website's comment about Janemba's strength.
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Oob should be stronger than Pure Boo in the beginning of GT, since he was about as strong as Pure Boo when he was angry during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai. Since he finished his training with Goku, I believe that he gained control of his power (so he doesn't have to get angry anymore), and became even more powerful. And he should be even stronger than that during the Baby arc, since one year passed and he said he will train.
After merging with Boo, Oob became much more powerful than SS3 Goku, since he was strong enough to fight evenly with Super Baby 2 (though Baby was still stronger). This would put Oob above Gohan Boo, Boo's strongest form.
Now for Pan, all we know is that she is stronger than Dr. Gero.
Which means that Pan looses not only to Super Oob, but even 28th TB Oob.
After merging with Boo, Oob became much more powerful than SS3 Goku, since he was strong enough to fight evenly with Super Baby 2 (though Baby was still stronger). This would put Oob above Gohan Boo, Boo's strongest form.
Now for Pan, all we know is that she is stronger than Dr. Gero.
Which means that Pan looses not only to Super Oob, but even 28th TB Oob.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Nothing is ever stated that actually implies that. Everyone just has generic reactions of surprise at his power, as far as I can recall. Just because he is the reincarnation of pure Buu, that doesn't mean that he already has the same power that pure Buu had at such a young age and without any training, especially when that isn't even stated.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Oob should be stronger than Pure Boo in the beginning of GT, since he was about as strong as Pure Boo when he was angry during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai.
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I disagree with Pan being so weak. She laid Rilld flat on his ass, and Goku and Trunks speculated about her being stronger than them. So I think she's up in the "Z" SS3 tier along with just about everyone from GT.
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The Manga wrote:Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P10.2
Context: Goku asks Boo to rig the match-ups so he can fight Oob
Goku: “…Sorry, but I wanna fight with him no matter what, in the 1st round when both of us still have 100% of our stamina…”
Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:Kiai
A technique where he emits ki from his entire body while letting out a great yell. While increasing his own ki, he causes an intense shockwave that attacks his opponent. A technique that he used at the 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai, angry at Goku's bad-mouthing.
The fact that Goku was expecting an incredibly strong guy, the fact than he was considering the chance to loose from Oob & wanted to be at 100%, the fact that while Oob wasn't anything special when he wasn't angry, but could get stronger through rage, and got even stronger when he unleashed his Kiai, and the fact that after their fight Goku concluded that Oob was exactly as strong as he expected him makes me believe that fully enraged Oob is at Pure Boo's level.
But don't get me wrong, I don't have base Goku that high. Since Oob got stronger when he unleashed his Kiai, I believe that Enraged Oob (pre-Kiai) is stronger than base Goku, but not by much (since Goku's hand got hurt from Oob's kick, but they could still fight evenly), while Enraged Oob (post-Kiai) is about as strong as Pure Boo & SS3 Goku (I don't think Goku got much stronger since Boo arc).
That was when they thought that Pan had beaten Rild, while in fact, she didn't even scratch him.Saiga wrote:I disagree with Pan being so weak. She laid Rilld flat on his ass, and Goku and Trunks speculated about her being stronger than them. So I think she's up in the "Z" SS3 tier along with just about everyone from GT.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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They can still sense ki, though, so Pan's must have- ah fuck it, if they can forget to fly in GT they can forget ki sensing.
Anyway, despite what Goku says, he is definitely disappointed when he realizes Oob isn't as strong as Pure Boo. That throws all his expectations out the window. He says Oob is as amazing as he expected, but all Oob does is prove that he is Boo's reincarnation. I don't see him getting even 100 times stronger from his kiai, so I don't buy him jumping up to Pure Boo's level. He simply doesn't need to be that strong, and there isn't enough evidence for him to be that strong.
Anyway, despite what Goku says, he is definitely disappointed when he realizes Oob isn't as strong as Pure Boo. That throws all his expectations out the window. He says Oob is as amazing as he expected, but all Oob does is prove that he is Boo's reincarnation. I don't see him getting even 100 times stronger from his kiai, so I don't buy him jumping up to Pure Boo's level. He simply doesn't need to be that strong, and there isn't enough evidence for him to be that strong.
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I agree with Saiga. It's nigh impossible for Goku to get 400x stronger in peace training without anything special. That NEVER happens. Bar transformations.
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The only problem with Oob was that he didn't have any idea about ki, and he couldn't control his power. Other than that, Goku says that he is as strong as he expected, and he expected Oob to be so strong that he wasn't even sure if he would win against him.Saiga wrote:Anyway, despite what Goku says, he is definitely disappointed when he realizes Oob isn't as strong as Pure Boo. That throws all his expectations out the window. He says Oob is as amazing as he expected, but all Oob does is prove that he is Boo's reincarnation. I don't see him getting even 100 times stronger from his kiai, so I don't buy him jumping up to Pure Boo's level. He simply doesn't need to be that strong, and there isn't enough evidence for him to be that strong.
Read my whole post please.Draken wrote:It's nigh impossible for Goku to get 400x stronger in peace training without anything special. That NEVER happens. Bar transformations.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He doesn't say that, he says Oob is as amazing as he expected. Which does not have to meant Oob's strength.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The only problem with Oob was that he didn't have any idea about ki, and he couldn't control his power. Other than that, Goku says that he is as strong as he expected, and he expected Oob to be so strong that he wasn't even sure if he would win against him.Saiga wrote:Anyway, despite what Goku says, he is definitely disappointed when he realizes Oob isn't as strong as Pure Boo. That throws all his expectations out the window. He says Oob is as amazing as he expected, but all Oob does is prove that he is Boo's reincarnation. I don't see him getting even 100 times stronger from his kiai, so I don't buy him jumping up to Pure Boo's level. He simply doesn't need to be that strong, and there isn't enough evidence for him to be that strong.
Oob simply doesn't have to be as strong as Pure Boo during any part of that, and it works a whole lot better if he isn't.
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I did. You have confusing contradictions in your post so I just went with one explanation.
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What would he mean, his hair?Saiga wrote:He doesn't say that, he says Oob is as amazing as he expected. Which does not have to meant Oob's strength.
Jokes aside, let's just agree that we disagree, I guess. I can't see it differently.
What contradictions?Draken wrote:I did. You have confusing contradictions in your post so I just went with one explanation.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well first you said he's on Ssj3/pure Buu level, then you said that Goku got a lot stronger, which makes no sense when they used to be tied.
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No, I said that when Oob got angry, he was around base Goku's level, and when he used the Kiai, he got a power boost again (stated in D7, see my post), which is his full power, which is around the same level as Pure Boo & SS3 Goku. As for Goku, I said that I don't believe he made huge gains.Draken wrote:Well first you said he's on Ssj3/pure Buu level, then you said that Goku got a lot stronger, which makes no sense when they used to be tied.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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You said "I think Goku got much stronger since the Buu Arc"... Lol.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, I said that when Oob got angry, he was around base Goku's level, and when he used the Kiai, he got a power boost again (stated in D7, see my post), which is his full power, which is around the same level as Pure Boo & SS3 Goku. As for Goku, I said that I don't believe he made huge gains.Draken wrote:Well first you said he's on Ssj3/pure Buu level, then you said that Goku got a lot stronger, which makes no sense when they used to be tied.
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Errr... my bad. Sorry, I meant the opposite. Fixed my post. 
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Ultimate Gohan vs Base Vegetto. Go!
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Rou Kaioshin said that if Goku & Gohan were to merge with Potara, they would be strong enough to beat Gotenks Boo without Super Saiyan, because "Potara are that extreme". Since I believe that Vegetto is stronger than hypothetical GokuXGohan in base/SS/2/3, with GokuXGohan only surpassing Vegetto with his Ultimate state, then base Vegetto beats Ultimate Gohan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ultimate Gohan vs Base Vegetto. Go!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.