The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Super Saiyan Grade 3 seems to be similar to Roshi's Buff state imo. Really useful for using it to charge up one extremely powerful blast but useless otherwise.
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I've seen no real evidence that Grade III isn't just outright stronger (and the boost is HUGE), so I think that Grade III Goku would win the struggle.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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The one time it was used Trunks didn't fire off ki blasts. Maybe it increases raw strength by a lot, but not ki power.RandomGuy96 wrote:I've seen no real evidence that Grade III isn't just outright stronger (and the boost is HUGE), so I think that Grade III Goku would win the struggle.
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LSSJ3 Broly vs Pure Buu
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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LSS3 isn't a thing. Broly vanishes into a puff of non-existence.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Broly.TheMightyOzaru wrote:LSSJ3 Broly vs Pure Buu
I have movie 10 Broly as slightly above SSJ2 Goku, so his SSJ3 would be stronger, assuming his multiplier is the same.
Although the fight would go on forever until Broly realizes that clotheslining Buu isn't gonna work.
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Boo gets stomped, be it M8 or M10 Broli. SS Goku hadn't surpassed LSS Broli IMO during the Boo arc, and since SS3 Goku was slightly stronger than Boo, then LSS3 Broli should be much stronger than Boo.TheMightyOzaru wrote:LSSJ3 Broly vs Pure Buu
RandomGuy96 wrote:LSS3 isn't a thing. Broly vanishes into a puff of non-existence.
He is called Super Saiyan 3 in the game, but not only he looks like a Legendary Super Saiyan 3 (he also goes from LSS to (L)SS3, as seen in Dragon Ball Heroes), but Goku called him like that in an early trailer.
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Oh, video game logic? In that case Broly wins, just like how Cooler demolished Super Gogeta.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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We're not using video game logic here. Just assume Broly somehow got 8x stronger and got a lot of hairRandomGuy96 wrote:Oh, video game logic? In that case Broly wins, just like how Cooler demolished Super Gogeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
That is still video game logic, as no such from exists, and the idea that a dumb oaf like Broly could attain SS3 when Vegeta couldn't is laughable. It's also video game logic to assume it has the same multiplier.
IIRC SS3 Vegeta was able to beat LSS3 Broly in a game, so Buu demolishes him.
IIRC SS3 Vegeta was able to beat LSS3 Broly in a game, so Buu demolishes him.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Would it be 8x stronger though? SSJ3 is 8x stronger than SSJ1, but Broly has his LSSJ form thrown in there as well, and for all we know, no SSJ2. So would it be 4x his LSSJ state? I'm pretty sure that the multipliers for SSJ2 and LSSJ are different, so his LSSJ3 wouldn't be 8x stronger.TheMightyOzaru wrote:We're not using video game logic here. Just assume Broly somehow got 8x stronger and got a lot of hairRandomGuy96 wrote:Oh, video game logic? In that case Broly wins, just like how Cooler demolished Super Gogeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
... I don't understand why you can't take M8 or M10 LSS Broli, and add SS3 on top of it like the games do just for the shake of the discussion.
Both Vegeta & Broli got the form in the same games, and Broli is more special than Vegeta, since he was born with the battle power of 10.000, he easily transformed into a Super Saiyan long before Goku did, and he even has a unique form.RandomGuy96 wrote:the idea that Broly could attain SS3 when Vegeta couldn't is laughable.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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LSSJ is beefed up SSJ IMO. I don't think it's a "transformation" like SSJ2 is.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Would it be 8x stronger though? SSJ3 is 8x stronger than SSJ1, but Broly has his LSSJ form thrown in there as well, and for all we know, no SSJ2. So would it be 4x his LSSJ state? I'm pretty sure that the multipliers for SSJ2 and LSSJ are different, so his LSSJ3 wouldn't be 8x stronger.TheMightyOzaru wrote:We're not using video game logic here. Just assume Broly somehow got 8x stronger and got a lot of hairRandomGuy96 wrote:Oh, video game logic? In that case Broly wins, just like how Cooler demolished Super Gogeta.
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You mean like Grade 2 & Grade 3? I would agree if the transformation from Super Saiyan to Legendary Super Saiyan didn't have all those special effects, with his skin exploding & all those lights that came out of his body changing the color of the sky a few times.TheMightyOzaru wrote:LSSJ is beefed up SSJ IMO. I don't think it's a "transformation" like SSJ2 is.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Best What-if ever.RandomGuy96 wrote:IIRC SS3 Vegeta was able to beat LSS3 Broly in a game
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SS3 Vegeta beating SS3 Gotenks, then SS3 Broli, and then SS3 Goku makes zero sense.Rocketman wrote:Best What-if ever.RandomGuy96 wrote:IIRC SS3 Vegeta was able to beat LSS3 Broly in a game
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That's a Vegeta fanboys wet dream What-If right thereDBZGTKOSDH wrote:SS3 Vegeta beating SS3 Gotenks, then SS3 Broli, and then SS3 Goku makes zero sense.Rocketman wrote:Best What-if ever.RandomGuy96 wrote:IIRC SS3 Vegeta was able to beat LSS3 Broly in a game
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Well if you notice Broly is buff and still has green hair so he is a LSSJ3. His SSJ3 form would be the usual 400x base but I think LSSJ Broly is SSJ3 x LSSJ Multiplier on top of SSJ.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:You mean like Grade 2 & Grade 3? I would agree if the transformation from Super Saiyan to Legendary Super Saiyan didn't have all those special effects, with his skin exploding & all those lights that came out of his body changing the color of the sky a few times.TheMightyOzaru wrote:LSSJ is beefed up SSJ IMO. I don't think it's a "transformation" like SSJ2 is.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
The way I figure it, "Legendary" Super Saiyan is just Broly's special version of Super Saiyan 2, or some sort of hybrid between it and SSj Grade 3. So his Super Saiyan 3 would be 4x stronger than that like anyone else's coming off of Super Saiyan 2. "Legendary Super Saiyan 3" isn't a thing. He's just at Super Saiyan 3 while keeping some of the traits of the stage that precedes it. Broly's buffness and blanked-out eyes carry over to his Super Saiyan 3 the same way the lightning sparks from Super Saiyan 2 carry over for other people.
That said, since according to Daizenshuu #6, he's still moderately stronger than Boo-arc Goku in Movie 10, SSj3 Broly would end up moderately stronger than SSj3 Goku or Pure Boo. But like Kamiccolo9 said, it'd probably take a while for Broly to realize that his conventional melee pummeling methods aren't working and wearing Boo down. In that time, if Super Saiyan 3 didn't drain away Broly's power, then Boo could very well turn him to candy, or even absorb him or something if he felt backed into a corner.
I'd call this a 50/50 tossup. It's one of those crazy chaotic battles that could go either way in the end.
That said, since according to Daizenshuu #6, he's still moderately stronger than Boo-arc Goku in Movie 10, SSj3 Broly would end up moderately stronger than SSj3 Goku or Pure Boo. But like Kamiccolo9 said, it'd probably take a while for Broly to realize that his conventional melee pummeling methods aren't working and wearing Boo down. In that time, if Super Saiyan 3 didn't drain away Broly's power, then Boo could very well turn him to candy, or even absorb him or something if he felt backed into a corner.
I'd call this a 50/50 tossup. It's one of those crazy chaotic battles that could go either way in the end.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Which makes me wonder, would Broly's LSSJ ability to have his ki be "overflowing" negate the SSJ3 power drain?
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I think it would help, but it still wouldn't be enough. The power drain in Super Saiyan 3 is just plain too much. If Super Saiyan 3 only lasts 5 minutes for someone else, then it might last 8-10 minutes for Broly.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Which makes me wonder, would Broly's LSSJ ability to have his ki be "overflowing" negate the SSJ3 power drain?
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