Why do people hold Ultimate Gohan or Gotenks so highly?

[Kaboom]

Remember when this thread was about Gohan and Gotenks' roles within the story, and how they were treated compared to Goku, with their strength being just one of several factors?

Yeah, it's not anymore. The last ten pages have been practically nothing but the same overdone back-and-forth B.S. about who's stronger, filled with the usual back-handed dickery that always fills these types of "debates." My previous friendly warnings to keep things amicable have barely been effective for half a page or so before the pointless arguments resume.

I'm ending this before it goes over the edge and anyone gets themselves banned.