Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Lord Frieza]

Huh? First off, when was Beerus even watching the fight? He’s never even SEEN Vegito! So i don’t know how he could have made such a statement if he wasn’t even there to see it.

I don’t see how you think Merged Zamasu in ANY form could beat Vegito Blue. The only thing he has on his side is durability in the form of semi-immortality.

If Vegeta could beat Rose Black’s ass and Goku could beat Zamasu’s ass (with immortality being the only thing he has going for him), how can you sit here and say that Rose Black fused with Zamasu is stronger than Vegeta fused with Goku?

Thats illogically. Factually illogical unless there is something I'm missing.

Vegito Blue outclasses any form of Merged Zamasu in every category except durability. Beefing up one arm isn’t enough to reach Vegito blue’s level. Mutated arm or not, Vegito would always be the dominant fighter in the fight.

And if Merged Zamasu wasn’t immortal, Vegito Blue would have wrecked his shit to oblivion. Merged Zamasu wouldn’t stand a chance.

First of my OUR Beerus i mean as in the Forum Member. Smart guy, fun to chat to.

Second I’ve already stated there are multiple points were Vegito clearly is not in control and cannot subdue Zamasu in terms of power. I’ve also pointed out factors as to why Zamasu is losing that don’t involve power and you have to. His fighting ability is thrown off my his deformity, he’s still over the top arragent and acts like he still invincible despite even having it pointed out to him that he’s no longer immortal. Goku had also previously pointed out that immortality has made Zamasu lazy on guarding, this likewise applies to his fusion. This goes back to what I said about Vegito’s skill. He doing a far better job of avoiding unnecessary damage.

Why oh why do people forget what happens after Vegeta beat up Black. Goku Black not only copyed Vegeta and grew stronger but then told Zamasu to run off snd kill everyone else while he held up Goku and Vegeta, this would would make them angerier and stronger and Black would do so from fighting them. Anime Black is still growing stronger after each fight, that never stopped. He’d grow powerfull enough to be confident that he could hold of Vegeta, who had just beaten him up, and Goku by himself and acts to actually make them stronger. Merged Zamasu likewise has Black limitless potential combined with his immortality/regeneration. His growing stronger as well.

The reason Merged Zamasu is losing is because his so called Ultimate Fusion is flawed on multiple levels, he’s become to arrogant and he lost his immortality. This is what I mean, this is not just about power. It’s not that clear cut. One side ignores things like Vegito’s clear shock at Zamasu’s power, the fact he is forced to avoid attack, loses raw power clash’s and actually takes damage during the fight. Frankly it seems people cannot handle the idea of their beloved fusion might not be as invincible as they like to believe. The Zamasu lot ignor all the flaws Merged Zamasu has and overlook the fact that while Zamasu may overpower Vegito at times, Vegito is more skilled and smarted. The less said about how bad this lot can get, the better.

This is why it’s one of my faviort fights in Super. It’s a fight we’re both sides are roughly equal with each haveing strengths and weaknesses

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

So....... when are you guys gonna learn to stop powerscaling-debating in this thread?

Pretty sure this is about the movie, and I'm also pretty sure there's another thread for this.

[Lord Frieza]

So....... when are you guys gonna learn to stop powerscaling-debating in this thread?

Pretty sure this is about the movie, and I'm also pretty sure there's another thread for this.

Yeah your right and I wasn’t helping. Sorry.

Let’s take this to the other thread if we really want to continue.

[Draconic]

One cool way they could use Gogeta is if Goku and Vegeta know a Fusion's overwhelming power is more likely to break the wall and achieve Ultra Instinct. So they fuse, Gogeta fights Broly in God and Blue for a while, then when their energy seems exhausted and the fight looks lost because they defuse, the aura shuts off revealing them both in Ultra Instinct.

I will only accept Bald Gohan stomping Broly as a fitting resolution.

Fixed that for you.

[CTAkuma]

I'm hoping Piccolo gets a moment to shine

[AnimeNation101]

I never said he didn't do anything, i simply said that Vegito wasn't dominating since Zamasu slapped him around and they were somewhat equal with Zamasu being stronger, also Zamasu landed the final punch and defused Vegito and knocked him out flat earlier, that's not domination in Vegito's favor.

And no he sadly isn't as strong as Kefla or any other stronger character in the ToP as you would be implying that Goku post Zenkai and Ultra instinct sign would be weaker than Vegito from the Future Trunks arc, which is nonsensical. Also using KKx20 would diminish his already low fusion time even more making it essentially pointless

Here’s the thing though.

1. I JUST told you what it means to be dominating in a fight. Vegito clearly took less damage than Fused Zamasu and connected way more attacks as opposed to Fused Zamasu who was taking most of the damage and was on the defensive most of the time. He landed a few hits but thats not enough to make him more dominant.

2. Fused Zamasu was NEVER stronger than Vegito Blue or even equal. Both Vegeta and Goku were stronger than Black and Zamasu with Vegeta Boeing able to beat Black’s ass and Zamasu not even being that powerful with his only useful ability being immortality. So OF COURSE Vegito blue would be way stronger than Fused Zamasu.

3. Fused Zamasu NEVER landed the final blow. It was Vegito who hit I'm with the Final Kamehameha and then instant transmissioned and punched Fused Zamasu in the face. Fused Zamasu it GOKU and VEGETA AFTER they de-fused from Vegito. He never knocked out Vegito.

4. Goku being post-zenkai makes him stronger but Goku doesn’t become any stronger than he was before after using Ultra Instinct for the first time. No where does it say that after you use Ultra Instinct and the revert to base, you become stronger. And it sounds stupid that you think that a weakened, tired T.o.P SSBKK Goku is stronger than a Vegito Blue who can use SSBKK from the FT arc. Thats stupid. And dont use time limits as an excuse because most of the T.o.P episodes were counted as only 1 minute long even thought it was 24 minutes for us. Vegito SSBKK is on the tier of the T.o.P big dogs.

That is not what happened in the episode though, Fusion Zamasu knocked out Vegito cold and they were equal in their fight. Also Zamasu never took damage in the fight, as the full power Final Kamehameha didn't even make him flinch. Again domination implies that Future Zamasu literally could do nothing against Vegito which wasn't the case as they were somewhat equal. Domination would be like with Super Buu(Gohan absorbed) against Super Vegito, but Zamasu got a few hits in which wounded Vegito badly.

And yes, a Goku SSGSS KKx20 in the ToP has surpassed Vegito atleast in the later parts of the tournament, i think a few people are overestimating Vegito's power since Trunks could oneshot Zamasu with the Spirit Sword something Vegito couldn't do, which should be way weaker than the Universal KK Spirit Bomb used against supressed Jiren

Again wrong.

First you say he landed the final punch and made Vegito defuse and how you say he knocked Vegito out. Merged Zamasu never knocked out Vegito in the fight. He hit Vegito down in which Vegito played dead so he could later sneak attack Merged Zamasu with a ki blade.

Domination in a fight isn’t completely destroying someone. Its having the upper hand in the battle for most of the time and thats exactly how it was wit Vegito. The fight was not equal. Vegito was landing most of the blows and was doing most of the damage to Merged Zamasu. Merged Zamasu was the one of the defensive for most of the time. And yeah, he took damage. His regeneration just healed said damage. Thats kinda common knowledge. Merged Zamasu was never indestructible. He had a body with normal flesh. Every hit from Vegito, he took damage. His regeneration from his immortality just made sure that it wasn’t permanent damage.

And now you try to make your point look bettter by saying the few hits Merged Zamasu did get in “wounded Vegito badly”. You must not have watched the actual fight because that was NEVER the case. The most Merged Zamasu gave Vegito was a few scratches.

Now here we go with you saying Trunks is stronger than Vegito Blue because he “one-shots” Merged Zamasu. Well let me tell you why thats bullshit. Vegito was then one that did the real work. Vegito’s punches and final kamehameha were the things that kept weakening Merged Zamasu’s body and his ability to regenerate along with it. Trunks’s sword was merely a finisher. By that time, Merged Zamasu’s body was beyond repair from his regeneration abilities. Which is why he gained another form. He couldn’t hold his immortality as a flesh being so he became something else that allowed him to stay immortal.

Thats one method of proof. Another method is just saying that since Rage Trunks wasn’t enough to beat Rose Black so thinking he can do damage stronger than Vegito blue is hella stupid.

[CTAkuma]

Here’s the thing though.

1. I JUST told you what it means to be dominating in a fight. Vegito clearly took less damage than Fused Zamasu and connected way more attacks as opposed to Fused Zamasu who was taking most of the damage and was on the defensive most of the time. He landed a few hits but thats not enough to make him more dominant.

2. Fused Zamasu was NEVER stronger than Vegito Blue or even equal. Both Vegeta and Goku were stronger than Black and Zamasu with Vegeta Boeing able to beat Black’s ass and Zamasu not even being that powerful with his only useful ability being immortality. So OF COURSE Vegito blue would be way stronger than Fused Zamasu.

3. Fused Zamasu NEVER landed the final blow. It was Vegito who hit I'm with the Final Kamehameha and then instant transmissioned and punched Fused Zamasu in the face. Fused Zamasu it GOKU and VEGETA AFTER they de-fused from Vegito. He never knocked out Vegito.

4. Goku being post-zenkai makes him stronger but Goku doesn’t become any stronger than he was before after using Ultra Instinct for the first time. No where does it say that after you use Ultra Instinct and the revert to base, you become stronger. And it sounds stupid that you think that a weakened, tired T.o.P SSBKK Goku is stronger than a Vegito Blue who can use SSBKK from the FT arc. Thats stupid. And dont use time limits as an excuse because most of the T.o.P episodes were counted as only 1 minute long even thought it was 24 minutes for us. Vegito SSBKK is on the tier of the T.o.P big dogs.

That is not what happened in the episode though, Fusion Zamasu knocked out Vegito cold and they were equal in their fight. Also Zamasu never took damage in the fight, as the full power Final Kamehameha didn't even make him flinch. Again domination implies that Future Zamasu literally could do nothing against Vegito which wasn't the case as they were somewhat equal. Domination would be like with Super Buu(Gohan absorbed) against Super Vegito, but Zamasu got a few hits in which wounded Vegito badly.

And yes, a Goku SSGSS KKx20 in the ToP has surpassed Vegito atleast in the later parts of the tournament, i think a few people are overestimating Vegito's power since Trunks could oneshot Zamasu with the Spirit Sword something Vegito couldn't do, which should be way weaker than the Universal KK Spirit Bomb used against supressed Jiren

Again wrong.

First you say he landed the final punch and made Vegito defuse and how you say he knocked Vegito out. Merged Zamasu never knocked out Vegito in the fight. He hit Vegito down in which Vegito played dead so he could later sneak attack Merged Zamasu with a ki blade.

Domination in a fight isn’t completely destroying someone. Its having the upper hand in the battle for most of the time and thats exactly how it was wit Vegito. The fight was not equal. Vegito was landing most of the blows and was doing most of the damage to Merged Zamasu. Merged Zamasu was the one of the defensive for most of the time. And yeah, he took damage. His regeneration just healed said damage. Thats kinda common knowledge. Merged Zamasu was never indestructible. He had a body with normal flesh. Every hit from Vegito, he took damage. His regeneration from his immortality just made sure that it wasn’t permanent damage.

And now you try to make your point look bettter by saying the few hits Merged Zamasu did get in “wounded Vegito badly”. You must not have watched the actual fight because that was NEVER the case. The most Merged Zamasu gave Vegito was a few scratches.

Now here we go with you saying Trunks is stronger than Vegito Blue because he “one-shots” Merged Zamasu. Well let me tell you why thats bullshit. Vegito was then one that did the real work. Vegito’s punches and final kamehameha were the things that kept weakening Merged Zamasu’s body and his ability to regenerate along with it. Trunks’s sword was merely a finisher. By that time, Merged Zamasu’s body was beyond repair from his regeneration abilities. Which is why he gained another form. He couldn’t hold his immortality as a flesh being so he became something else that allowed him to stay immortal.

Thats one method of proof. Another method is just saying that since Rage Trunks wasn’t enough to beat Rose Black so thinking he can do damage stronger than Vegito blue is hella stupid.

They were equal in that fight, there was no domination in any kind and Zamasu never took damage and tanked everything Vegito threw at him, again the full power final kamehameha(Vegito's best move) didn't even make Zamasu flinch. Trunks being able to oneshot Zamasu was thanks to the spirit sword which logically is stronger than Vegito, if you compare that to the Universal KK Spirit bomb its a joke. Yes he knocked out Vegito, remember how Vegito was lying on the ground almost as if he was knocked out cold thanks to one of Zamasu's attacks?


This is my last reply to this, since it gets tiresome reiterating the same thing

[AnimeNation101]

Huh? First off, when was Beerus even watching the fight? He’s never even SEEN Vegito! So i don’t know how he could have made such a statement if he wasn’t even there to see it.

I don’t see how you think Merged Zamasu in ANY form could beat Vegito Blue. The only thing he has on his side is durability in the form of semi-immortality.

If Vegeta could beat Rose Black’s ass and Goku could beat Zamasu’s ass (with immortality being the only thing he has going for him), how can you sit here and say that Rose Black fused with Zamasu is stronger than Vegeta fused with Goku?

Thats illogically. Factually illogical unless there is something I'm missing.

Vegito Blue outclasses any form of Merged Zamasu in every category except durability. Beefing up one arm isn’t enough to reach Vegito blue’s level. Mutated arm or not, Vegito would always be the dominant fighter in the fight.

And if Merged Zamasu wasn’t immortal, Vegito Blue would have wrecked his shit to oblivion. Merged Zamasu wouldn’t stand a chance.

First of my OUR Beerus i mean as in the Forum Member. Smart guy, fun to chat to.

Second I’ve already stated there are multiple points were Vegito clearly is not in control and cannot subdue Zamasu in terms of power. I’ve also pointed out factors as to why Zamasu is losing that don’t involve power and you have to. His fighting ability is thrown off my his deformity, he’s still over the top arragent and acts like he still invincible despite even having it pointed out to him that he’s no longer immortal. Goku had also previously pointed out that immortality has made Zamasu lazy on guarding, this likewise applies to his fusion. This goes back to what I said about Vegito’s skill. He doing a far better job of avoiding unnecessary damage.

Why oh why do people forget what happens after Vegeta beat up Black. Goku Black not only copyed Vegeta and grew stronger but then told Zamasu to run off snd kill everyone else while he held up Goku and Vegeta, this would would make them angerier and stronger and Black would do so from fighting them. Anime Black is still growing stronger after each fight, that never stopped. He’d grow powerfull enough to be confident that he could hold of Vegeta, who had just beaten him up, and Goku by himself and acts to actually make them stronger. Merged Zamasu likewise has Black limitless potential combined with his immortality/regeneration. His growing stronger as well.

The reason Merged Zamasu is losing is because his so called Ultimate Fusion is flawed on multiple levels, he’s become to arrogant and he lost his immortality. This is what I mean, this is not just about power. It’s not that clear cut. One side ignores things like Vegito’s clear shock at Zamasu’s power, the fact he is forced to avoid attack, loses raw power clash’s and actually takes damage during the fight. Frankly it seems people cannot handle the idea of their beloved fusion might not be as invincible as they like to believe. The Zamasu lot ignor all the flaws Merged Zamasu has and overlook the fact that while Zamasu may overpower Vegito at times, Vegito is more skilled and smarted. The less said about how bad this lot can get, the better.

This is why it’s one of my faviort fights in Super. It’s a fight we’re both sides are roughly equal with each haveing strengths and weaknesses

Ok, we’ll say Black grew more powerful from his fight with Vegeta. He surely didn’t grow THAT strong enough to not only surpass Vegeta but also compensate for Zamasu’s lack of power SO MUCH so that when they fuse, their fusion would be equal to or as strong as Vegito. Because again, Zamasu alone is weak compared to a Blue Goku or Vegeta. Unless you think Black grew THAT MUCH after getting beaten by Vegeta, Fused Zamasu just can’t be equal or greater than Vegito Blue. He wouldn’t be faster whether in his normal form or not. He wouldn’t be stronger in his normal form and would probably only be stronger if he had his purple arm in use. I do respect your evidence of Fused Zamasu having Black’s “limitless” (not really limitless) growth potential as that is a good point.

It comes down to this. Goku and Vegeta at the time before they fused were of a greater force than that of Rose Black and Zamasu before they fused. Goku and Vegeta > Rose Black and Zamasu. Thats what I got from watching DBS. And so, it stands to reason that Vegito would be a greater force that Fused Zamasu. Whether Fused Zamasu is deformed or not, whether Vegito is more skilled or not, Vegito would still win if not for immortality. If Fused Zamasu wasn’t immortal, Vegito Blue’s final kamehameha would have but him on ice. Thats what i think.

[AnimeNation101]

That is not what happened in the episode though, Fusion Zamasu knocked out Vegito cold and they were equal in their fight. Also Zamasu never took damage in the fight, as the full power Final Kamehameha didn't even make him flinch. Again domination implies that Future Zamasu literally could do nothing against Vegito which wasn't the case as they were somewhat equal. Domination would be like with Super Buu(Gohan absorbed) against Super Vegito, but Zamasu got a few hits in which wounded Vegito badly.

And yes, a Goku SSGSS KKx20 in the ToP has surpassed Vegito atleast in the later parts of the tournament, i think a few people are overestimating Vegito's power since Trunks could oneshot Zamasu with the Spirit Sword something Vegito couldn't do, which should be way weaker than the Universal KK Spirit Bomb used against supressed Jiren

Again wrong.

First you say he landed the final punch and made Vegito defuse and how you say he knocked Vegito out. Merged Zamasu never knocked out Vegito in the fight. He hit Vegito down in which Vegito played dead so he could later sneak attack Merged Zamasu with a ki blade.

Domination in a fight isn’t completely destroying someone. Its having the upper hand in the battle for most of the time and thats exactly how it was wit Vegito. The fight was not equal. Vegito was landing most of the blows and was doing most of the damage to Merged Zamasu. Merged Zamasu was the one of the defensive for most of the time. And yeah, he took damage. His regeneration just healed said damage. Thats kinda common knowledge. Merged Zamasu was never indestructible. He had a body with normal flesh. Every hit from Vegito, he took damage. His regeneration from his immortality just made sure that it wasn’t permanent damage.

And now you try to make your point look bettter by saying the few hits Merged Zamasu did get in “wounded Vegito badly”. You must not have watched the actual fight because that was NEVER the case. The most Merged Zamasu gave Vegito was a few scratches.

Now here we go with you saying Trunks is stronger than Vegito Blue because he “one-shots” Merged Zamasu. Well let me tell you why thats bullshit. Vegito was then one that did the real work. Vegito’s punches and final kamehameha were the things that kept weakening Merged Zamasu’s body and his ability to regenerate along with it. Trunks’s sword was merely a finisher. By that time, Merged Zamasu’s body was beyond repair from his regeneration abilities. Which is why he gained another form. He couldn’t hold his immortality as a flesh being so he became something else that allowed him to stay immortal.

Thats one method of proof. Another method is just saying that since Rage Trunks wasn’t enough to beat Rose Black so thinking he can do damage stronger than Vegito blue is hella stupid.

They were equal in that fight, there was no domination in any kind and Zamasu never took damage and tanked everything Vegito threw at him, again the full power final kamehameha(Vegito's best move) didn't even make Zamasu flinch. Trunks being able to oneshot Zamasu was thanks to the spirit sword which logically is stronger than Vegito, if you compare that to the Universal KK Spirit bomb its a joke. Yes he knocked out Vegito, remember how Vegito was lying on the ground almost as if he was knocked out cold thanks to one of Zamasu's attacks?


This is my last reply to this, since it gets tiresome reiterating the same thing

Imagine what its like having to explain something to someone who doesn’t even seem to have watched the fight. And now that person is saying Trunks > Vegito Blue. Its 10 times more tiresome.

[CTAkuma]

Again wrong.

First you say he landed the final punch and made Vegito defuse and how you say he knocked Vegito out. Merged Zamasu never knocked out Vegito in the fight. He hit Vegito down in which Vegito played dead so he could later sneak attack Merged Zamasu with a ki blade.

Domination in a fight isn’t completely destroying someone. Its having the upper hand in the battle for most of the time and thats exactly how it was wit Vegito. The fight was not equal. Vegito was landing most of the blows and was doing most of the damage to Merged Zamasu. Merged Zamasu was the one of the defensive for most of the time. And yeah, he took damage. His regeneration just healed said damage. Thats kinda common knowledge. Merged Zamasu was never indestructible. He had a body with normal flesh. Every hit from Vegito, he took damage. His regeneration from his immortality just made sure that it wasn’t permanent damage.

And now you try to make your point look bettter by saying the few hits Merged Zamasu did get in “wounded Vegito badly”. You must not have watched the actual fight because that was NEVER the case. The most Merged Zamasu gave Vegito was a few scratches.

Now here we go with you saying Trunks is stronger than Vegito Blue because he “one-shots” Merged Zamasu. Well let me tell you why thats bullshit. Vegito was then one that did the real work. Vegito’s punches and final kamehameha were the things that kept weakening Merged Zamasu’s body and his ability to regenerate along with it. Trunks’s sword was merely a finisher. By that time, Merged Zamasu’s body was beyond repair from his regeneration abilities. Which is why he gained another form. He couldn’t hold his immortality as a flesh being so he became something else that allowed him to stay immortal.

Thats one method of proof. Another method is just saying that since Rage Trunks wasn’t enough to beat Rose Black so thinking he can do damage stronger than Vegito blue is hella stupid.

They were equal in that fight, there was no domination in any kind and Zamasu never took damage and tanked everything Vegito threw at him, again the full power final kamehameha(Vegito's best move) didn't even make Zamasu flinch. Trunks being able to oneshot Zamasu was thanks to the spirit sword which logically is stronger than Vegito, if you compare that to the Universal KK Spirit bomb its a joke. Yes he knocked out Vegito, remember how Vegito was lying on the ground almost as if he was knocked out cold thanks to one of Zamasu's attacks?


This is my last reply to this, since it gets tiresome reiterating the same thing

Imagine what its like having to explain something to someone who doesn’t even seem to have watched the fight. And now that person is saying Trunks > Vegito Blue. Its 10 times more tiresome.

I never said Trunks > Vegito Blue, i said Trunks Spirit Sword > Vegito Blue, don't be ignorant

[AnimeNation101]

They were equal in that fight, there was no domination in any kind and Zamasu never took damage and tanked everything Vegito threw at him, again the full power final kamehameha(Vegito's best move) didn't even make Zamasu flinch. Trunks being able to oneshot Zamasu was thanks to the spirit sword which logically is stronger than Vegito, if you compare that to the Universal KK Spirit bomb its a joke. Yes he knocked out Vegito, remember how Vegito was lying on the ground almost as if he was knocked out cold thanks to one of Zamasu's attacks?


This is my last reply to this, since it gets tiresome reiterating the same thing

Imagine what its like having to explain something to someone who doesn’t even seem to have watched the fight. And now that person is saying Trunks > Vegito Blue. Its 10 times more tiresome.

I never said Trunks > Vegito Blue, i said Trunks Spirit Sword > Vegito Blue, don't be ignorant

I thought u weren’t gonna reply? Also, my bad on my part, when I said Trunks i meant Trunks when he sliced Fused Zamasu. I thought that was kinda obvious which Trunks I was talking about in the context of my response to you response. Anyway, seems ur getting kinda triggered. Point still stands about how you seem to have not watched the fight. You really think Vegito got knocked unconscious and then just regained consciousness right before he was stabbed by Fused Zamasu? No. One punch to the face didn’t knock out Vegito. He was lying there playing dead so he would counter Fused Zamasu with his sword. It even shows him fidget a bit while he’s on the ground.

[CTAkuma]

Imagine what its like having to explain something to someone who doesn’t even seem to have watched the fight. And now that person is saying Trunks > Vegito Blue. Its 10 times more tiresome.

I never said Trunks > Vegito Blue, i said Trunks Spirit Sword > Vegito Blue, don't be ignorant

I thought u weren’t gonna reply? Also, my bad on my part, when I said Trunks i meant Trunks when he sliced Fused Zamasu. I thought that was kinda obvious which Trunks I was talking about in the context of my response to you response. Anyway, seems ur getting kinda triggered.

Strawmaning my arguments again. I'm not replying to the Vegito thing, i'm replying to you misinterpreting and attacking my statements with personal attacks. Also ignoring the arguments which have evidence behind them

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Alright, I'm just gonna move on from this derail; hopefully, other folks will take the hint.

So how old do you guys suppose Paragus will be?

He's clearly the oldest known Saiyan in the main continuity ever seen; he actually has greying hair and everything. Considering Planet Vegeta's destruction nearly 50 years ago in-universe, could he be the first canonical Saiyan to have reached the tender old age of 80?

[AnimeNation101]

I never said Trunks > Vegito Blue, i said Trunks Spirit Sword > Vegito Blue, don't be ignorant

I thought u weren’t gonna reply? Also, my bad on my part, when I said Trunks i meant Trunks when he sliced Fused Zamasu. I thought that was kinda obvious which Trunks I was talking about in the context of my response to you response. Anyway, seems ur getting kinda triggered.

Strawmaning my arguments again. I'm not replying to the Vegito thing, i'm replying to you misinterpreting and attacking my statements with personal attacks. Also ignoring the arguments which have evidence behind them

Except you were the one that ended up misinterpreting my response. Ironic ain’t it. And “Personal attacks”? Ok. You had an argument. Its evidence just wasn’t relevant and didn’t really affect my statement.

We’re done here. Now this time, I AM actually gonna succeed in not replying.

[AnimeNation101]

Alright, I'm just gonna move on from this derail; hopefully, other folks will take the hint.

So how old do you guys suppose Paragus will be?

He's clearly the oldest known Saiyan in the main continuity ever seen; he actually has greying hair and everything. Considering Planet Vegeta's destruction nearly 50 years ago in-universe, could he be the first canonical Saiyan to have reached the tender old age of 80?

I think you just answered your own question. Around 80 but probably still fights like a badass since we see him with a new set of armor more suited for battle while still looking old with gray hair.

[Miracles]

People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.

Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...

Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.

[CTAkuma]

I thought u weren’t gonna reply? Also, my bad on my part, when I said Trunks i meant Trunks when he sliced Fused Zamasu. I thought that was kinda obvious which Trunks I was talking about in the context of my response to you response. Anyway, seems ur getting kinda triggered.

Strawmaning my arguments again. I'm not replying to the Vegito thing, i'm replying to you misinterpreting and attacking my statements with personal attacks. Also ignoring the arguments which have evidence behind them

Except you were the one that ended up misinterpreting my response. Ironic ain’t it. And “Personal attacks”? Ok. You had an argument. Its evidence just wasn’t relevant and didn’t really affect my statement.

We’re done here. Now I'm not gonna reply.

Your argument was Vegito Blue was dominating and was relevant to the top tiers of the ToP, which i showed and brought evidence to provide otherwise, i.e null battle damage, equal footing, tanking attacks(Feats/Statements). """Triggered""".
If you want to further talk about this then just message me, otherwise we are done

[AnimeNation101]

People are free to ignore all the overwhelming evidence of Gogeta but don't act shocked or start complaining when he gets revealed in November.

Says an out of timeline XENOVERSE is evidence...

Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.

The Goku and Vegeta vs Jiren fight says hi.

Also, was it ever ACTUALLY stated in the series that they refuse to fight a single opponent as a fusion?

[kudo6000]

Despite the fact Goku and Vegeta refuse to fight a single opponent fused?
They don't even try to fight together either.

Yes, they said this in RoF. We’re in 2018 now. A lot has happened; Goku and Vegeta vs Zamasu, Goku and Vegeta against Jiren, Goku and Vegeta vs the fucking Trio De Danger.

Unless you’re talking about the manga, then your argument is moot.

[YamiGoku]

I don't know why people are underestimating fusions so much now...

Fusions are overpowered, the only real downside is the time limit, if you remove the time limit and the saiyans pride, then they will fuse constantly.