"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheDevilsCorpse]

where is everyone seeing goku needing ssj blue to beat trunks? From the scans i got goku turns ssj3 and knocks him out similiar to how black did in the future.

No one is saying he's using Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Blue. He uses Super Saiyan God, the red haired form. You can see the sparkles around his foot when he kicks Trunks, and Beerus specifically states he transformed (though you wouldn't know that if you don't read Korean).

[jplaya2023]

where is everyone seeing goku needing ssj blue to beat trunks? From the scans i got goku turns ssj3 and knocks him out similiar to how black did in the future.

No one is saying he's using Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Blue. He uses Super Saiyan God, the red haired form. You can see the sparkles around his foot when he kicks Trunks, and Beerus specifically states he transformed (though you wouldn't know that if you don't read Korean).

OOOOOOoooo i see it now. SSJ Red. i didn't even notice it.

No i can't read korean, i'm waiting on you and your lovely wife or herms to translate this chapter.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

We never provide a full translation for the whole chapter, but I've already done the usual summary of her translations for pretty much everything worth noting.

[Friezacooler]

3 things:

1- I hate it when people say the manga is the correct one, It fits better than anime and Akira is involved more. I am thinking: really? Akira has worked on both the movies and anime before the manga came out. He delivers his story/script to toei. The anime has for example ssj god absorbing thing LIKE in the movie (bog) and yet the manga doesn't. So 2 vs 1, sorry but I chose anime for the main source (it is also more ahead than the manga the most.of the.time)

Don't get me wrong I also do like the manga but don't say stuff like it is the main source because it fits better, no it doesnt, YOU think it fits better.

2- The ssj 2 fight (goku vs trunks) much better in manga than anime

3- wtf Black using IT for a rock and not that powerfull ki blast Trunks did earlyer?? Guess rock >ki blast?

guess you don't want the Rock that Krillin has thrown as it knocked out an ssj out it's form, or the one that Gotenks has thrown to generate a massive crater, or the ones that Goten was throwing at ssj Gohan. Rocks going out ridiclous massive speeds or thrown by overpowered beings is no joke son.

[OLKv3]

I think Black just used IT to show off and further scare Trunks. Like "look at me I can teleport, you have no chance"

[jplaya2023]

I think Black just used IT to show off and further scare Trunks. Like "look at me I can teleport, you have no chance"

it's future goku

[Friezacooler]

This doesn't make a lot of sense, but I like it. Means Beerus can die without being overpowered. Adds a neat weakness to him.

and what is so cool about that more like lame to give him the same Piccolo and kami treatment.

to bad there is no saiyan saga Vegeta anymore or he would have token advantage of such major information.

Means he isn't entirely safe or unstoppable by even mortal standards. Mean tension doesn't have be utterly dead when he shows up on screen.

Good luck with that. Good luck finding the Kaioshin. Hell any Kaioshin would murder early Vegeta easily.

Except his weakness has already been established by adding characters stronger then him. this is just adding unnessary weaknesses that at nothing to the plot except to dumb down the Z characters and readers of the show. and I mean Super is missing on characters with the mentality of namek/ saiyan saga vegeta. or simply on characters that could think. with such information Vegeta would have definitly attacked elder kai during BOG to get rid of Beerus or champa. or simply Beerus should have been death in Buu saga when elder kai gave up his life in favor of Goku. this is like insulting stabilised past events.

[Mazingerdestro]

Wow the power meter is broken.
Goku who trains like a madman, in ssj2 is weaker than an ssj2 Trunks?
Why?
Just to imply that Trunks is strong without the need to add a new form?'
That was a bad choice.
Especially since we know that ssj2 has no chance against an ssj3. (since fat buu basically owned Majin Vegeta when a Goku ssj3 that had stamina issues was toying with him)
Unless something weird is happening (Kaioshin somehow blessing Trunks? Giving him god ki without noticing? Trunks becoming something like mystic by drawing the z sword....I don't know)
Bottom line ssj2>ssj3 makes no sense.
Anime provided us a more balanced battle.
My guess is that Toyo enjoys ssjgod so much that he searches for excuses to implement him in the story

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Man I'd really love it if the anime bought SSG back instead of cycling through the normal SS's. Goku in SSG in his F outfit would have looked sweet!! Toyo seems to really love that form (can't blame him)!!

[Alruneia]

Wow the power meter is broken.
Goku who trains like a madman, in ssj2 is weaker than an ssj2 Trunks?
Why?
Just to imply that Trunks is strong without the need to add a new form?

Base Goku easily blocks Base Trunks' PTSD-punch, which implies (at least to me) that Goku's quite a bit stronger than Trunks. That's why it seems very plausible that Trunks has discovered FPSSJ2. Instead of SSJ3, which is Goku's way to power up further, he found another way up, similar to ASSJ/USSJ vs FPSSJ back in the Cell arc. It's a long shot, but maybe SSJ3 is actually not the correct way to ascend? Goku just made the form up, after all, and Gotenks just copied him. Future Trunks, who's been in his own timeline and only seen SSJ2 until now, had to find his own way to ascend, and he ended up with FPSSJ2 instead, and his FPSSJ2 is as strong as or maybe even stronger than Goku's SSJ3. I don't know, but it's a possibility.

[sintzu]

Goku who trains like a madman, in ssj2 is weaker than an ssj2 Trunks?

Why?

Especially since we know that ssj2 has no chance against an ssj3.

My guess is that Toyo enjoys ssjgod so much that he searches for excuses to implement him in the story.

That's nothing, Ssj2 Trunks is on par or stronger than a Ssj3 Goku.

Just because.

That was back in the day when things made sense.

This is the main problem with Super's writers, they do whatever they want or what they think is "fun" without thinking twice about how it lines up with previously established material.

[Chiki]

Wow the power meter is broken.
Goku who trains like a madman, in ssj2 is weaker than an ssj2 Trunks?
Why?
Just to imply that Trunks is strong without the need to add a new form?

Base Goku easily blocks Base Trunks' PTSD-punch, which implies (at least to me) that Goku's quite a bit stronger than Trunks. That's why it seems very plausible that Trunks has discovered FPSSJ2. Instead of SSJ3, which is Goku's way to power up further, he found another way up, similar to ASSJ/USSJ vs FPSSJ back in the Cell arc. It's a long shot, but maybe SSJ3 is actually not the correct way to ascend? Goku just made the form up, after all, and Gotenks just copied him. Future Trunks, who's been in his own timeline and only seen SSJ2 until now, had to find his own way to ascend, and he ended up with FPSSJ2 instead, and his FPSSJ2 is as strong as or maybe even stronger than Goku's SSJ3. I don't know, but it's a possibility.

I think it's only a possibility if we're going to get SSB2 which is very likely since Goku keeps using SS2 in the anime and I doubt it's a coincidence. Then we might hear about FPSS2.

[Pannaliciour]

I have to say that ssj3 blitz and then ssjg kick in the neck is very very dragon ball style. Its a shame the anime doesnt do such thing. The anime doesn't do blitzing at all seems to me.

guess you don't want the Rock that Krillin has thrown as it knocked out an ssj out it's form, or the one that Gotenks has thrown to generate a massive crater, or the ones that Goten was throwing at ssj Gohan. Rocks going out ridiclous massive speeds or thrown by overpowered beings is no joke son.

Thats bull.... and you know that. First of I never said its a joke, ofcourse it would hurt. But using IT for a rock and not block it but blocking ki.blast earlier suggest to me that rocks> ki blasts OR Black is not a smart fighter? If ki blast < a rock then dbz, dbs cast would trow rocks at massive speed instead of ki blasts.

[Matthanor]

We never provide a full translation for the whole chapter, but I've already done the usual summary of her translations for pretty much everything worth noting.

And we thank you for that !!

[Neon Z]

where is everyone seeing goku needing ssj blue to beat trunks? From the scans i got goku turns ssj3 and knocks him out similiar to how black did in the future.

The text summary. There's some sparkles in the panel where Trunks is defeated, and according to the summary Whis and Beerus call out Goku on using SSJ God but hiding it.

[Friezacooler]

I have to say that ssj3 blitz and then ssjg kick in the neck is very very dragon ball style. Its a shame the anime doesnt do such thing. The anime doesn't do blitzing at all seems to me.

guess you don't want the Rock that Krillin has thrown as it knocked out an ssj out it's form, or the one that Gotenks has thrown to generate a massive crater, or the ones that Goten was throwing at ssj Gohan. Rocks going out ridiclous massive speeds or thrown by overpowered beings is no joke son.

Thats bull.... and you know that. First of I never said its a joke, ofcourse it would hurt. But using IT for a rock and not block it but blocking ki.blast earlier suggest to me that rocks> ki blasts OR Black is not a smart fighter? If ki blast < a rock then dbz, dbs cast would trow rocks at massive speed instead of ki blasts.

nothing wrong with that as a punch can be stronger then a ki attack too, if the punch is ki or pl enhanced. krillin, trunks throwing the rocks aren't regular human that don't know how to manipulate ki either.

[Khin]

I'm surprised to hear that Trunks is stronger than Goku in the same forms. But on the other hand, this is the same guy who got over 50x stronger by training alone in 3 years back then, so i guess i'll let this one slide.

[nite_jay]

I'm surprised to hear that Trunks is stronger than Goku in the same forms. But on the other hand, this is the same guy who got over 50x stronger by training alone in 3 months back then, so i guess i'll let this one slide.

I forgot that in 1 year these chatacters almost double their strength, unlock new form etc. I wonder why now people don't believe someone can master a form in 10 years.

[THEGOKU]

Okay, this whole SSJ forms thing now in the manga has been just one big mess. I personally would have rather just seen ssj3 trunks that a power up version of ssj2 that's equal to ssj3. Even with it being a multiplier Trunks should not be that close to Goku with all the training. I guess it's just a way to say how strong Black is without actually stating how strong black is. It's all one big mess honestly and now when they throw SSJRose in the mix it will just get worse.

[TheMikado]

3 things:

1- I hate it when people say the manga is the correct one, It fits better than anime and Akira is involved more. I am thinking: really? Akira has worked on both the movies and anime before the manga came out. He delivers his story/script to toei. The anime has for example ssj god absorbing thing LIKE in the movie (bog) and yet the manga doesn't. So 2 vs 1, sorry but I chose anime for the main source (it is also more ahead than the manga the most.of the.time)

Don't get me wrong I also do like the manga but don't say stuff like it is the main source because it fits better, no it doesnt, YOU think it fits better.

2- The ssj 2 fight (goku vs trunks) much better in manga than anime

3- wtf Black using IT for a rock and not that powerfull ki blast Trunks did earlyer?? Guess rock >ki blast?

The answer to this really quite simple using logic and reason:

The movies were made literally YEARS ago, before Toriyama knew a new series would be coming out. The movies were originally intended as stand alone, one time shows and weren't made originally to jump start a new series.

We plans to make the series were finalized it would be pretty easy for Toriyama to decide that making everyone suddenly God level permanently probably wasn't going to work in a serialized format and retconned it. Maybe Toei writers and animators did t get the memo, maybe he recently made that decision. Who knows but it's clear the manga has gone in a different direction with Toriyamas permission while a month before the trunks arc problem after many of the episodes had been completed, Toriyama hadn't even seen the final anime script yet.

So yes many people give precedence to the manga as the story Toriyama wants to tell NOW in 2016.