The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cardle grave » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:12 am

Well the girl was fighting evenly with trunks until the asshole with the strings interfere, Really i hate that guy. His is so annoying

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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:45 am

Not show if what if are allowed on this thread but here goes.

Super Boo(Vegito,Gohan,Gotenks, and Piccolo power taker) vs Beers/Birsu

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Post by Draken » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:02 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Not show if what if are allowed on this thread but here goes.

Super Boo(Vegito,Gohan,Gotenks, and Piccolo power taker) vs Beers/Birsu
Well if you interpret the "realm of power" and "strongest in history of Z" statements as Beers > SSJ3 Vegetto, then Beers has this.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:25 am

Draken wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Not show if what if are allowed on this thread but here goes.

Super Boo(Vegito,Gohan,Gotenks, and Piccolo power taker) vs Beers/Birsu
Well if you interpret the "realm of power" and "strongest in history of Z" statements as Beers > SSJ3 Vegetto, then Beers has this.
Would't Boo have SSJ3 Vegetto's power? Would he at least get a few hits in?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Draken » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:26 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
Draken wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Not show if what if are allowed on this thread but here goes.

Super Boo(Vegito,Gohan,Gotenks, and Piccolo power taker) vs Beers/Birsu
Well if you interpret the "realm of power" and "strongest in history of Z" statements as Beers > SSJ3 Vegetto, then Beers has this.
Would't Boo have SSJ3 Vegetto's power? Would he at least get a few hits in?
No... unless Vegetto was a SSJ3 at the time of the absorption ._.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:00 am

I agree with the logic that Buu is only capable of using the power that is absorbed. I don't think Buu can access transformations above what he initially absorbed.

That would be awfully nice to have Ssj3 Vegetto's power forever though.

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Post by rereboy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:29 am

That notion doesn't make much sense. The people absorbed become part of him. He takes all their power and techniques and can even improve them like he claimed to do with Piccolo's technique. There is absolutely no reason to assume that he would be "stuck" at only getting to use the current power of the people he absorbed.

If Vegetto was able to use SSJ3, then, even if he wasn't a SSJ3 when he got absorbed, a Vegetto-Buu would be able to tap into that power, because Vegetto would be part of him.

And yes, a Vegetto-Buu would win against Beers because he would have all that power and hax regeneration (and also the ability to absorb Beers).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:14 am

Even if Boo had absorbed SS3 Vegetto he would be only 1.05 times stronger than him, at best. It was implied to me in another thread that SSG is above even SS3 Vegetto, maybe 1.25 times for example. SSG would still be ahead of Vegetto Boo and so Beers and Whis would be.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:00 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Not show if what if are allowed on this thread but here goes.

Super Boo(Vegito,Gohan,Gotenks, and Piccolo power taker) vs Beers/Birsu
SSJ God takes this as it is. Beers and Whis wouldn't even have to try.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:33 pm

If Buu can't access the full power of his victims unless they're in their full power forms, then Buutenks makes no sense. Unless Gotenks somehow mantained SS3 for many times longer than usual while knocked out... somehow. These people literally become part of him- sometimes basically creating an entirely new being.

Anyway, Buuhan doesn't have to be that much weaker than Super Vegetto. He can be like 70% of him. Beers, however, is in a completely different dimension than SS3 Vegetto, so it won't change much.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Kaboom » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:36 pm

I wonder if Boo's own infinite stamina somehow allowed him to counteract Gotenks' Super Saiyan 3 energy drain.
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Post by Mjb1985 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:20 pm

Whether intended or not that's absolutely what is implied IMO. Buu is a magical being, he can do whatever he wants such as take the strain off of Ssj3 Gotenks.

Perhaps you can liken Buu's innards as something like Otherworld.

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Post by Draken » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:18 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:If Buu can't access the full power of his victims unless they're in their full power forms, then Buutenks makes no sense. Unless Gotenks somehow mantained SS3 for many times longer than usual while knocked out... somehow. These people literally become part of him- sometimes basically creating an entirely new being.

Anyway, Buuhan doesn't have to be that much weaker than Super Vegetto. He can be like 70% of him. Beers, however, is in a completely different dimension than SS3 Vegetto, so it won't change much.
Having never seen such an ass-stomp before, I think we can safely say the gap is not that close. Buuhan was getting played worse than Goku vs Nappa.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:16 pm

No, we can't. Smaller gaps than that have resulted in worse stomps, basically one guy killing the other in one hit. Vegetto doesn't need to be that strong.

Buuhan can be 70% of him and it'd still make sense.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:26 pm

Goku (base, with SSG power) vs SS4 Gogeta

This is the base Goku, after Super Saiyan God timed-out, that could punch & hurt Beers. Can he defeat Gogeta?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:33 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Goku (base, with SSG power) vs SS4 Gogeta

This is the base Goku, after Super Saiyan God timed-out, that could punch & hurt Beers. Can he defeat Gogeta?
Yup

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:04 pm

I've seen nothing that places Beers even close to the likes of Omega Shenron. He is "only" stronger than SS3 Vegetto, who is only eight times stronger than Baby Saga Goku. Omega and Gogeta are in an entirely different dimension.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:06 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:He is "only" stronger than SS3 Vegetto, who is only eight times stronger than Baby Saga Goku.
Since when was GT Goku at Super Vegetto's level? Base Goku is implied to be at least at Boo arc SS3 Goku's level.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:07 pm

It's a close one but I'm gonna give this to Gogeta.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:12 pm

Since when was GT Goku at Super Vegetto's level? Base Goku is implied to be at least at Boo arc SS3 Goku's level.
A guidebook stated that Super Vegetto was "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4". The only SS4 that existed at the time was Baby Saga Goku.

Also, that's wrong. He's stated to be stronger than Buu by an unknown amount (in the Black Star arc). Not equal with him. He's likely talking about Anime Kid Buu, who is much stronger than Anime Buuhan, who is much stronger than Manga Buuhan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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