Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

B · Post by B » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:30 am

xzero wrote:Personally, I like the dub better. Why? Primarily nostalgia, but I also enjoy the Faulconer music (along with lots of other dub fans in America). This does not mean that I dislike the original version, and it does not mean that my argument is that the dub is inherently superior or that the sub is inherently inferior. Simply put, as a matter of preference, I like the dub.

See, there isn't anything wrong with a statement like this. But the thing is, this is not the type of response people normally give. I've seen plenty of people imply/blatantly say the version they like is superior to the other. And you can't just make a claim like without some sort of objective reasoning and logic. You basically just said "I like the dub because I like it," and that's completely fine.

The thing that I am constantly seeing, are people trying to state their version is better, and then throwing hissy fits if they are challenged, regardless of the camp they are in. You made no such argument, my good sir.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:30 am

LeprikanGT wrote:The first thing I could think of was "I'm a hardcore Dub fan for the same reason youre not fan of Dubbed Family Guy in Latin."

Which is a fine analogy in theory, except that Family Guy isn't originally Latin, whereas DragonBall is originally Japanese.

So you're right. I would much prefer to watch Family Guy in its original language of English... which is one of the main arguments many of us have for watching the Japanese version of DragonBall. You don't have to agree with it, but it's perfectly valid.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:04 am

Yeah, didn't think of the 'original-ness' of the JP version, but I DID give the JP version a fair chance. I got all 9 orange brick sets and watched all the way through with all 3 audio tracks.

It's just the first way I had heard it when I first found DragonBall so it stuck the most and I got used to the Funi cast and score.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:42 pm

laserkid wrote: Lastly, people are criticising dub fans who claim the changes don't matter, for being foolish.

Well, that's not really an appropriate response either. Nobody is a fool just because they like the way things are done in the dub and don't mind the changes.

You just say you like the dub, and we'll smile and nod at you and wonder why you felt it necessary to tell us that. I don't go around telling you I love Megaman all the time, but it's just as discussable as the fact you like the dub so much.

Umm...not quite. Megaman is an entirely different tangent than going from DBZ to the Funi dub of DBZ.

B wrote: The thing that I am constantly seeing, are people trying to state their version is better, and then throwing hissy fits if they are challenged, regardless of the camp they are in. You made no such argument, my good sir.

This is true, too. A lot of people need to realize that when they read, or even type, responses...that every thing in between these double-white lines is an opinion.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:05 pm

Big Momma wrote:
You just say you like the dub, and we'll smile and nod at you and wonder why you felt it necessary to tell us that. I don't go around telling you I love Megaman all the time, but it's just as discussable as the fact you like the dub so much.
Umm...not quite. Megaman is an entirely different tangent than going from DBZ to the Funi dub of DBZ.

Well, if we were to start discussing the Ocean Group cast dub, then Mega Man suddenly becomes relevant...

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:47 pm

Big Momma wrote:Well, that's not really an appropriate response either. Nobody is a fool just because they like the way things are done in the dub and don't mind the changes.

It's foolish to think the dub changes are irrelevant, NOT to say you don't care yourself. They're perfectly relevant considering they're an abberation to general dubbing practices, even of the era.

Big Momma wrote: Umm...not quite. Megaman is an entirely different tangent than going from DBZ to the Funi dub of DBZ.

Yes, Megaman isn't DBZ, but the point I'm making is saying "I like the dub" gets the general response of "that's nice". What do you want, a medal? It's nice that you like something but there's no real DISCUSSION there, it's not something that really generates a discussion. The fact I mentioned Megaman as a non Dragon Ball related subject wasn't the point. The point is there's not much to say about you personally liking the dub. No one starts up threads saying "I like the Japanese version. That is all" either. There's nothing discussion worthy in the statement, so THAT'S what I'm getting at. It's nice that you like the dub, but unless one of the other things I mentioned gets talked about, it's about as interesting as me saying I like the rocks Chibi Trunks pissed on in the anime.

It doesn't say anything or give any discussion. This is a forum, not a livejournal, so while you can say anything you want, don't expect me to think your liking the dub is a discussion heavy topic. Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around you, or anyone else's generic opinions. If you want a discussion on how everyone feels about the dub, that's actually a relevant topic, but if you just want to say "I like the dub" as your topic, what's the point? The only thing anyone can say is "that's nice", "I agree", and "I disagree". The last of which you seem to react to badly.

Big Momma wrote: This is true, too. A lot of people need to realize that when they read, or even type, responses...that every thing in between these double-white lines is an opinion.

I'm totally in agreement with this, but what is funny is when people use this to ignore someone else's argument and try to say their opinion is somehow 'more' then the other person's is, when it too is "just" opinion.

B · Post by B » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:53 pm

laserkid wrote:It doesn't say anything or give any discussion. This is a forum, not a livejournal, so while you can say anything you want, don't expect me to think your liking the dub is a discussion heavy topic. Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around you, or anyone elses' generic opinions. If you want a discussion on how everyone feels about the dub, that's actually a relevant topic, but if you just want to say "I like the dub" as your topic, what's the point? The only thing anyone can say is "thats nice", "I agree", and "I disagree". The last of which you seem to react to badly.

I'm going to save this and whip it out whenever needed from now on.

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:00 pm

xzero wrote:It's like sub fans want some objective reason from dub fans as to why they like the dub better, and the truth is that there is no objective reason.

Exactly. And it's for that reason that you can't ever expect other people to like what you like in the same way that you do. The goes for you, me, an everyone else in the world.

Mainly what upsets me is inconsistency. I don't mean in this forum, but in anime fans in general. For instance people who watch mostly subs for all the rest of their anime, but would never even consider giving Dragon Ball in Japanese a chance. It's just as absurd as way people who are completely serious fans of other Shonen Jump series (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece...) but see series like Dragon Ball and Yu-Gi-Oh! as total jokes that are only meant to be watched in some "abridged series" form.

So anyway, I have no problem with people preferring the dub version. I just can't really understand the nostalgia for Funimation's dub because I never really liked it in the first place; even when it's all there was.

B · Post by B » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:08 pm

russ869 wrote:It's just as absurd as way people who are completely serious fans of other Shonen Jump series (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece...) but see series like Dragon Ball and Yu-Gi-Oh! as total jokes that are only meant to be watched in some "abridged series" form.

I wonder what makes the "Big Three" different than Dragon Ball or Yu-Gi-Oh!...

I just can't seem to place it... It's on the tip of my tongue...

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:19 pm

For the record, I ADORE all five of those shows.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:25 pm

As someone who can say he was a "hardcore" (moreso, ignorant) Dub fan for some 8ish years, I can say that my reasons at the time did not have any real substance. They were as follows:

I was used to it.

Hearing words is easier than reading them.

Buying DVD's was not much of an option.

Why bother with anything else if I'm not dissatisfied?

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But after engrossing myself in the Manga and Japanese version of the Anime, I sometimes wonder if people who've been heavily exposed to both that prefer the dub have a mental dysfunction. It makes me sound like a jerk, but the quality of the two productions is just so far apart in opposite directions.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:32 pm

Duo wrote:Ya know, I was a dub fan for many years and didn't pay any notice to the Japanese version until about 8 years after I began adoring the show.

And once I gave myself a heavy exposure to the Manga and the Japanese version of the Anime, I can't really figure out why I was able to enjoy the Dub, and when I see people who still do that have put themselves through a significant portion of the Japanese version, I wonder if they have mental problems.

I think that makes me sound like a jerk, but I honestly cannot figure it out. The quality of the two versions is just so far apart.

The manga is so good it's good. The US dub is so bad it's good.

The Japanese anime is "this is Dragonball if it were shit!", without the hilariously bad dubbing/music to compensate and therefore sits at so bad it's horrible.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:48 pm

The dub doesn't really bother me at all, I can tolerate watching it. However if I had to choose between the dub and the original version, I would pick the Japanese version.

StrangebuttsPHD · Post by **StrangebuttsPHD** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:53 pm

I think Dragon Ball had a decent dub from Funimation. Not the best, but not bad, either. The Dragon Ball Z dubs gets worse to me the older I get. I do like them to a certain extent, though. Some voices are really well cast like Trunks, Krillin and Goku.

And as out of context it is, the Bruce Faulconer soundtrack has some of the coolest fucking tunes I've heard in my life.

IncompetentOverlord · Post by **IncompetentOverlord** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:58 pm

StrangebuttsPHD wrote:I think Dragon Ball had a decent dub from Funimation. Not the best, but not bad, either. The Dragon Ball Z dubs gets worse to me the older I get. I do like them to a certain extent, though. Some voices are really well cast like Trunks, Krillin and Goku.

Trunks I kinda agree with, but..... Goku and Kuririn?

You are entitled to your own opinion, but the way I see it, Kuririn kinda sounds like a pathetic Pilaf-esque character. Actually, Sonny Strait as Pilaf wouldn't be a bad casting decision....

StrangebuttsPHD · Post by **StrangebuttsPHD** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:18 pm

I don't know what to tell you. I've always loved Sonny as Krillin.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:27 pm

StrangebuttsPHD wrote: the Bruce Faulconer soundtrack has some of the coolest fucking tunes I've heard in my life.

Absolutely.
What also makes the dub music so great is that every character has their own theme music. Cell's imperfect theme? Awesome. Goku's super saiyan theme when fighting Frieza? Fantastic. The Ginyu Force theme? Also great.
What would've been a great implementation in the orange bricks is if you could listen to the Japanese va's with Faulconer's tracks.

B · Post by B » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:29 pm

Actually, a lot more characters in the Japanese version have themes. Friggin' Dende has a theme song.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:40 pm

B wrote:Actually, a lot more characters in the Japanese version have themes. Friggin' Dende has a theme song.

I would call them "motifs" rather than straight-up "themes", but I suppose it ends up being the same thing with how they're implemented in the show and movies. But yes, there's plenty of them, and the general Faulconer fanboy hasn't bothered to investigate this. Not only do they have them, but they get amazingly orchestrated variations on them over the course of the series and especially movies. Vegeta's violin entrance in movie 9 rocks your balls off. No hollow bells to speak of, here! ^_~

(I'm ignoring Kai, here, so I'm also ignoring Dende's music.)

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:What would've been a great implementation in the orange bricks is if you could listen to the Japanese va's with Faulconer's tracks.

Besides being impossible, the insignificance of any audience that exists that would be even remotely interested in even spot-checking this is incalculably minor.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:41 pm

Don't forget Vocal songs by the characters!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Y-cRRr5G8

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