Unpopular DB opinions

[Cipher]

Except if that was the case, why not have Goku steal the real stuff in the Red Ribbon saga instead of the plain old spring water? Surely that would have been more amusing for Karin if he was a sadist.

He specifically gets off on it when his visitors are at their most desperate. If they're only in a minor pinch, he trains them. He needs maximum suffering to sustain his unnatural lifespan.

Just like a real cat.

[KorgDTR2000]

DB should've stayed done, comics books and various movie series "let's make this shit run forever even well past the point of believability" along with stuff like the Elric Saga and Logan have really shown me that people underappreciate the value of something having a definitive conclusion.

This is why I haven't watched any of the new stuff, or most of GT, or even rewatched the anime after its first American broadcast.

To me Dragon Ball is a story told across over 8000 pages (really) of comics. Everything else is superfluous and doesn't interest me that much.

[ABED]

DB should've stayed done, comics books and various movie series "let's make this shit run forever even well past the point of believability" along with stuff like the Elric Saga and Logan have really shown me that people underappreciate the value of something having a definitive conclusion.

This is why I haven't watched any of the new stuff, or most of GT, or even rewatched the anime after its first American broadcast.

To me Dragon Ball is a story told across over 8000 pages (really) of comics. Everything else is superfluous and doesn't interest me that much.

Why not? Is everything not in the comics terrible on principle?

[rereboy]

Superfluous doesn't mean terrible.

[ABED]

Superfluous doesn't mean terrible.

I'm more than aware of that fact. I'm trying to get his response.

[rereboy]

Superfluous doesn't mean terrible.

I'm more than aware of that fact. I'm trying to get his response.

All I'm pointing out is that he has already stated what you are questioning, imo. He has already stated that he finds it superfluous and, therefore, is not interested in it. Not being terrible doesn't mean that it's not superfluous.

[ABED]

Again, I want his opinion from HIM. I'm just kindly asking HIM to expound.

Not being terrible doesn't mean that it's not superfluous.

Doesn't mean it's not worth his time either.

[KorgDTR2000]

DB should've stayed done, comics books and various movie series "let's make this shit run forever even well past the point of believability" along with stuff like the Elric Saga and Logan have really shown me that people underappreciate the value of something having a definitive conclusion.

This is why I haven't watched any of the new stuff, or most of GT, or even rewatched the anime after its first American broadcast.

To me Dragon Ball is a story told across over 8000 pages (really) of comics. Everything else is superfluous and doesn't interest me that much.

Why not? Is everything not in the comics terrible on principle?

It's not terrible, and there are things I do like (such as the Bardock special, which I love for being a really cool sci-fi story, and some of the movies, which are just gorgeous) but what appeals to me about Dragon Ball is the form it takes in the manga. I'm into it for Toriyama's masterful cartooning and the great story he tells that beginning in Chapter 1 and ends in Chapter 519. So all of the new material with new things like this blue SSJ form and multiple universes and new gods and whatever else is going in Super, it's just not Dragon Ball to me. It might as well be fan fiction to me, and I stopped reading fan fiction ten years ago - even with Toriyama's involvement.

[Lord Beerus]

The concept of the Shadow Dragons was the greatest thing that the franchise has ever came up with. I'm not a fan of GT as a whole, and have quite a love/hate relationship with the show, but I will hold that opinion to my grave. For all of GT's misgiving, they came up with one hell of an idea for an arc. Especially considering it's the final arc of the show.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

The concept of the Shadow Dragons was the greatest thing that the franchise has ever came up with. I'm not a fan of GT as a whole, and have quite a love/hate relationship with the show, but I will hold that opinion to my grave. For all of GT's misgiving, they came up with one hell of an idea for an arc. Especially considering it the final arc of the show.

I think Hail Zeon said it best with "GT is a series of fantastic ideas and faulty execution".

[Kanassa]

The concept of the Shadow Dragons was the greatest thing that the franchise has ever came up with. I'm not a fan of GT as a whole, and have quite a love/hate relationship with the show, but I will hold that opinion to my grave. For all of GT's misgiving, they came up with one hell of an idea for an arc. Especially considering it the final arc of the show.

That isn't an unpopulare opinion. From those who hate GT and Love it, most agree that the Shadow Dragons were a near perfect idea to be the final villains.

[Nejishiki]

I don't think praising the Evil Dragons is unpopular in this community. I'm fairly certain that member isn't responsible for the phrase, too. If anything, I think I'm a part of a minority opinion for disliking both the idea & practice of the Evil Dragons. Their concept is at odds with the original story's themes & I find it difficult to find their merit.

[ABED]

I don't think praising the Evil Dragons is unpopular in this community. I'm fairly certain that member isn't responsible for the phrase, too. If anything, I think I'm a part of a minority opinion for disliking both the idea & practice of the Evil Dragons. Their concept is at odds with the original story's themes & I find it difficult to find their merit.

What themes are you referring to?

The merit I see at least in idea is the Dragon Balls have been abused and there hasn't been any cost to that. It's a magic cure all.

[Noah]

It's not terrible, and there are things I do like (such as the Bardock special, which I love for being a really cool sci-fi story, and some of the movies, which are just gorgeous) but what appeals to me about Dragon Ball is the form it takes in the manga. I'm into it for Toriyama's masterful cartooning and the great story he tells that beginning in Chapter 1 and ends in Chapter 519. So all of the new material with new things like this blue SSJ form and multiple universes and new gods and whatever else is going in Super, it's just not Dragon Ball to me. It might as well be fan fiction to me, and I stopped reading fan fiction ten years ago - even with Toriyama's involvement.

But can't you just watch it just for sheer entertainment without thinking it's a sequel? It makes things easier.

[KorgDTR2000]

It's not terrible, and there are things I do like (such as the Bardock special, which I love for being a really cool sci-fi story, and some of the movies, which are just gorgeous) but what appeals to me about Dragon Ball is the form it takes in the manga. I'm into it for Toriyama's masterful cartooning and the great story he tells that beginning in Chapter 1 and ends in Chapter 519. So all of the new material with new things like this blue SSJ form and multiple universes and new gods and whatever else is going in Super, it's just not Dragon Ball to me. It might as well be fan fiction to me, and I stopped reading fan fiction ten years ago - even with Toriyama's involvement.

But can't you just watch it just for sheer entertainment without thinking it's a sequel? It makes things easier.

Why would I? It holds no interest to me.

[Noah]

Why would I? It holds no interest to me.

Oh I see... I thought your problem was accepting this as a continuation of the series. For me Super is a average anime series, I still keep watching because I'm a huge fan of this franchise and I'm curious for the direction this series will take in the future.

[KorgDTR2000]

Why would I? It holds no interest to me.

Oh I see... I thought your problem was accepting this as a continuation of the series. For me Super is a average anime series, I still keep watching because I'm a huge fan of this franchise and I'm curious for the direction this series will take in the future.

I'm like this about a lot of things. I love the Star Wars trilogy. But does that mean I automatically about the prequels, the sequels, the books, the comics, the TV shows, etc? No. I'm not a franchise guy. I like the three Star Wars movies, they're really good movies. That doesn't mean I have a built-in interest in things that aren't those movies but have the same characters and stories. I'm a big fan of superhero comics but I don't obsess over the movies. I don't even watch a lot of them. I'm not going to watch the new Spider-Man movie and I love Spider-Man, but to me Spider-Man is a comic book that tells the continuing narrative of a young hero (or it did - it's seriously lost its way in the last 25-30 years).

So even though I'm passionate about the original manga I'm just not into other Dragon Ball stuff because I'm not a "Dragon Ball fan, " I'm a "fan of 'Dragon Ball'," the same way I'm a fan of the first three Star Wars movies and the first 300ish issues of Spider-Man.

[Draconic]

I've seen enough people to praise this fact to call my opinion unpopular: GT Goku is the worst version of the character.
But not only that, he is the reason the show's great concepts end up so unsatisfying.

Baby is supposed to be the embodiment of the Saiyan past coming back to bite them in the ass. Great idea right? So why must Goku be the one to solve this conflict? He has nothing to do with anything his race did. He is about as far removed from the violent nature of the Saiyans as you can get. Not only that, but Goku finally defeats Baby by achieving the full potential of a Saiyan: a Super Saiyan-Oozaru hybrid, pretty much validating everything his enemy was on about. It also doesn't help that he no longer wants to be associated to that race (especially when he accepted his blood-filled heritage by the Freeza battle), yet has no problems abusing it's characteristics to win.

Then there are the Evil Dragons, born from abusing the Dragon Balls. Guess how many wishes benefited Goku? None. The first wish he personally makes is to revive the father of a boy he just met, who just got in the crossfires of a "war" he had nothing to do with. Then you have the wish to revive him after getting killed by Raditz, which is done because he's literally Earth's only hope for survival. The only selfish wish he makes is having Buu reincarnated in order to fight him, but by the start of the arc, Uub is so irrelevant that it counts as a fluke. Why must it be Goku the one who single-handedly defeats every single Dragon? Why must he literally die for everybody else's sins at the end? It makes no thematic sense.

I've seen praise for this more "mature" Goku, who takes stuff seriously and assumes more responsabilities, but when he is practically forced into those conflicts he has no reason to feel anything about, he just comes out looking like a Messiah. That not only is poorly representing his character as a whole, but also shitting on the original story's final arc/ending, where he is actively searching for a replacement, to the point he outright wishes one into existence.

I give Super 17 a pass, even though, again, Goku and 17 have no relation, but the conflict is incited by Gero and his character-clone Myuu, whose reasons for going after him are shoddy at best and that's not a GT thing, but a poor idea from the Cell arc perpetuated.

Of course, he's the main character. He should be there and do stuff. Even "saving the day" at the end, as he almost always ends up cleaning everybody's mess, but it could've been done in a way that doesn't butt heads with everything else the story tries to set up.

[ekrolo2]

Baby is supposed to be the embodiment of the Saiyan past coming back to bite them in the ass. Great idea right? So why must Goku be the one to solve this conflict? He has nothing to do with anything his race did. He is about as far removed from the violent nature of the Saiyans as you can get. Not only that, but Goku finally defeats Baby by achieving the full potential of a Saiyan: a Super Saiyan-Oozaru hybrid, pretty much validating everything his enemy was on about. It also doesn't help that he no longer wants to be associated to that race (especially when he accepted his blood-filled heritage by the Freeza battle), yet has no problems abusing it's characteristics to win.

Then there are the Evil Dragons, born from abusing the Dragon Balls. Guess how many wishes benefited Goku? None. The first wish he personally makes is to revive the father of a boy he just met, who just got in the crossfires of a "war" he had nothing to do with. Then you have the wish to revive him after getting killed by Raditz, which is done because he's literally Earth's only hope for survival. The only selfish wish he makes is having Buu reincarnated in order to fight him, but by the start of the arc, Uub is so irrelevant that it counts as a fluke. Why must it be Goku the one who single-handedly defeats every single Dragon? Why must he literally die for everybody else's sins at the end? It makes no thematic sense.

I've seen praise for this more "mature" Goku, who takes stuff seriously and assumes more responsabilities, but when he is practically forced into those conflicts he has no reason to feel anything about, he just comes out looking like a Messiah. That not only is poorly representing his character as a whole, but also shitting on the original story's final arc/ending, where he is actively searching for a replacement, to the point he outright wishes one into existence.

I do agree that Goku isn't the best of fits to defeat Baby but I think the fact Baby uses the body of Vegeta, the guy who did embody them completely not too long ago as a means of exacting revenge on them kind of trumps it. Also, SS4 isn't the embodiment of a Saiyan, if anything, it's kind of the opposite. To become an SS4, you need to be a pissed off, murderous ape monster and get control over yourself in this state of mind, something none of the Saiyan's from the past could to the level of making Oozaru basically "human".

The point of the Dragons coming isn't because of how they benefit Goku, it's the fact the cast uses them to fix every problem they come across. This gets especially problematic in the later arcs where Cell and Boo shouldn't come to be but do simply because the cast are more interested in having a challenge first then using the DBs to fix things once the world narrowly avoids annihilation or outright destruction like in the Boo arc. Goku beating all of them doesn't imply they're there to solely benefit him, they exist because they're meant to be used sparringly and then the cast abuse them as a be all end all fix the more time passes.

The original ending isn't Goku finding a replacement, it's him finding a way to not be bored as shit anymore. Ignoring the new material, Goku does nothing for 10 years but wait around for his last, greatest opponent to show up in the form of Oob. Piccolo and Vegeta's dialogue supports the fact that Goku is far more interested in getting Oob ready so he can use him as a way to stave off boredom and whatever role as a replacement as Earth savior is like number 4 or 5 on the list of things Goku wants out of him.

[Esfír Dedragón]

This may not be a major unpopular opinion, given this site's preference to the Japanese version, but I've lately not been interested that much in seeing the English Dub release of DB Super on Toonami.

It's not that I don't like it; I actually prefer it. However, the dub is so far behind the Japanese broadcast that I'm willing to skip over the Toonami broadcast and pay more attention to the current arc.

Granted, I'll probably look up several scenes that I would definitely like to hear in their English version, both in Super and Kai.