Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DanielSSJ]

Just a quick question for you guys so I can make an accurate placement of these characters. If Beerus is 1000 on this scale, what would you estimate these characters are? (Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo are their tournament level)

Assuming that 1GP (God Power) is 1 trillion on the regular battle power scale and Beerus is 1,000GP...
Note: I'm basing these numbers on the idea that the regular Super Saiyan boosts still apply and that Super Saiyan Blue is a 1,500x increase.

Son Goku: 0.54GP
---Super Saiyan: 27GP
---Super Saiyan Blue: 810GP

Vegeta: 0.54GP
---Super Saiyan: 27GP
---Super Saiyan Blue: 810GP

Piccolo: 0.8GP
---Makankosappo: 12GP

Mr. Boo: 0.012GP

Monaka: 930GP

Champa: 980GP

Vados: 1,600GP

Frost: 0.2GP
---Assault Form: 0.6GP
---True Form: 12GP
------weakened: 8GP

Botamo: 0.015GP

Magnetta: absolutely no idea

Cabba: 1GP

Hit: a very tentative 1,000GP

[ZombieVito]

How can Piccolo fight that well with an opponent 80 times stronger than him?

[Kamiccolo9]

Where are these levels for Cabba, Hit, and Robot Guy coming from? They haven't done anything.

[Lord Beerus]

Just a quick question for you guys so I can make an accurate placement of these characters. If Beerus is 1000 on this scale, what would you estimate these characters are? (Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo are their tournament level)

Assuming that 1GP (God Power) is 1 trillion on the regular battle power scale and Beerus is 1,000GP...
Note: I'm basing these numbers on the idea that the regular Super Saiyan boosts still apply and that Super Saiyan Blue is a 1,500x increase.

Son Goku: 0.54GP
---Super Saiyan: 27GP
---Super Saiyan Blue: 810GP

Vegeta: 0.54GP
---Super Saiyan: 27GP
---Super Saiyan Blue: 810GP

Piccolo: 0.1GP
---Makankosappo: 10GP

Mr. Boo: 0.012GP

Monaka: 930GP

Champa: 980GP

Vados: 1,600GP

Frost: 0.2GP
---Assault Form: 0.6GP
---True Form: 12GP
------weakened: 8GP

Botamo: 0.015GP

Magnetta: absolutely no idea

Cabba: 10GP

Hit: a very tentative 1,200GP

You believe that Hit may be stronger than Beerus? That is one hell of an assumption.

[Darkron2151]

Just a quick question for you guys so I can make an accurate placement of these characters. If Beerus is 1000 on this scale, what would you estimate these characters are? (Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo are their tournament level)


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I'mma post the levels of the characters above along with the rest of the other characters that are related.

Here are the god-tier (In Trillions):

• Vados: 16
  Whis: 15
  Beerus: 10
  Champa: 9.6
  Monaka: 9
  SSGSS Goku/Vegeta (Uni. 6): 8
  Golden Freeza: 7.2
  SSGSS Goku/Vegeta (ROF): 6.4
  SSG Goku (BOG): 6
  SSJ3 Vegetto (Boo): 4.8

And here are the normal levels for the people listed above (In Billions):

• SSJ Goku/Vegeta (Uni. 6): 800
  Frost (True Form/Full Power): 400
  Frost (True Form/Weakened): 200
  Frost (Second/Assault Form): 160
  Base Goku/Vegeta (Uni. 6): 160
  Base Goku/Vegeta (ROF): 144
  Piccolo (Uni. 6): 135
  Freeza (True Form/100%): 120
  -(Ultimate Gohan (Boo): 120)
  -(Evil Boo: 80)
  Frost (First Form): 80
  -(SSJ3 Goku (BOG): 30)

[DanielSSJ]

How can Piccolo fight that well with an opponent 80 times stronger than him?

Good point. I bumped him up to 0.8. He's still only about a tenth of Frost, and still needs evasion tactics and an overpowered technique to compete.

You believe that Hit may be stronger than Beerus? That is one hell of an assumption.

I believe it to be a possibility. Super seems to be hyping him up as the main threat of the tournament, so I could see them putting him above Beerus. However that is just a baseless guess of what might happen. Anyway, I decided to lower him to 1,000, just to be safe.

[Lord Beerus]

Just a quick question for you guys so I can make an accurate placement of these characters. If Beerus is 1000 on this scale, what would you estimate these characters are? (Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo are their tournament level)

Botamo -
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I'mma post the levels of the characters above along with the rest of the other characters that are related.

Here are the god-tier (In Trillions):

• Vados: 16
  Whis: 15
  Beerus: 10
  Champa: 9.6
  Monaka: 9
  SSGSS Goku/Vegeta (Uni. 6): 8
  Golden Freeza: 7.2
  SSGSS Goku/Vegeta (ROF): 6.4
  SSG Goku (BOG): 6
  SSJ3 Vegetto (Boo): 4.8

And here are the normal levels for the people listed above (In Billions):

• SSJ Goku/Vegeta (Uni. 6): 800
  Frost (True Form/Full Power): 400
  Frost (True Form/Weakened): 200
  Frost (Second/Assault Form): 160
  Base Goku/Vegeta (Uni. 6): 160
  Base Goku/Vegeta (ROF): 144
  Piccolo (Uni. 6): 135
  Freeza (True Form/100%): 120
  -(Ultimate Gohan (Boo): 120)
  -(Evil Boo: 80)
  Frost (First Form): 80
  -(SSJ3 Goku (BOG): 30)

SSJ3 Vegetto is way too high. Goku stated that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus. And at that stage, Beerus wasn't using no more than 10% of his power. He was most likely using around 1-5% of his power to kick SSJ3 Goku's ass.

[Darkron2151]

SSJ3 Vegetto is way too high. Goku stated that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus. And at that stage, Beerus wasn't using no more than 10% of his power. He was most likely using around 1-5% of his power to kick SSJ3 Goku's ass.

Are you assuming that Goku thought that was Beerus' full power? Are you also assuming that, and this is Goku we're talking about here, he calculated how strong a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto would be just by somewhat remembering how strong a SSJ Vegetto was over 5 years ago and seeing the small improvement he and Vegeta have made since then, and in just a few seconds to boot? Sorry, but I don't buy it. It sounds like unnecessary digging of a scene in order to make unnecessary bloating. Heck, me even factoring in a hypoithetical SSJ3 Vegetto at this point is generous of me when calculating Beerus' power. Does this mean a hypothetical SSJ10 Kaio-Kenx 20 Vegetto is less than .000001% of Beerus' power JUST from Goku saying, "even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough"?

[ZombieVito]

How can Piccolo fight that well with an opponent 80 times stronger than him?

Good point. I bumped him up to 0.8. He's still only about a tenth of Frost, and still needs evasion tactics and an overpowered technique to compete.

You believe that Hit may be stronger than Beerus? That is one hell of an assumption.

I believe it to be a possibility. Super seems to be hyping him up as the main threat of the tournament, so I could see them putting him above Beerus. However that is just a baseless guess of what might happen. Anyway, I decided to lower him to 1,000, just to be safe.

I still think the gap is too big since he blocked many hits with one hand and took some hits rather well.

I can definitively see Hit being revealed to be stronger.

[Analytic]

Just to clarify, yes, the Potara are stated to be stronger than Fusion.

Context: Elder Kaioshin gives the Potara to Goku
Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.”
Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

"Effect" here refers to power. Why isn't it referring to time you ask? Because Old Kaioshin notes that here:

Context: Goku asks how long Potara-based fusion lasts
Elder Kaioshin: "The Potara don't have such a weakness. It's eternal! You'll never return to normal again!"

The wording here doesn't make it sound as though he is repeating something he just said. And for further reinforcement:

Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

The Potara's power is just that amazing. If Potara fusion yielded the same results as Metamoran fusion, then there'd be no reason to emphasize the Potara's power in that instance.

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ3 Vegetto is way too high. Goku stated that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus. And at that stage, Beerus wasn't using no more than 10% of his power. He was most likely using around 1-5% of his power to kick SSJ3 Goku's ass.

Are you assuming that Goku thought that was Beerus' full power? Are you also assuming that, and this is Goku we're talking about here, he calculated how strong a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto would be just by somewhat remembering how strong a SSJ Vegetto was over 5 years ago and seeing the small improvement he and Vegeta have made since then, and in just a few seconds to boot? Sorry, but I don't buy it. It sounds like unnecessary digging of a scene in order to make unnecessary bloating. Heck, me even factoring in a hypoithetical SSJ3 Vegetto at this point is generous of me when calculating Beerus' power. Does this mean a hypothetical SSJ10 Kaio-Kenx 20 Vegetto is less than .000001% of Beerus' power JUST from Goku saying, "even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough"?

Well... yeah. As ridiculous as it may sound, that's pretty much the case. I mean, as far as Goku knew, what he saw with Beerus was what he was getting. Hell, Goku was afraid he would hurt Beerus if he went all out as a SSJ3. And the whole "even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough" statement is never contradicted. Then you throw in the fact that SSJ2 Raging Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super pushed Beerus to use 10% of power, and Beerus commenting that Vegeta provided much more fun that Goku did when he fought him on King Kai's planet, and everything basically indicates to Beerus (<10%) >>>> Any form of Vegetto.

[Darkron2151]

Since I just put out some levels, might as well bring in a more organized list. Starting from Boo Arc onward.

Boo Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 6,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 24,000,000,000


Vegeta: 48,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,400,000,000
-- (Super Saiyan 2: 4,800,000,000)
-- Super Saiyan 2 [Majin]: 6,000,000,000

Son Gohan: 45,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,250,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 4,500,000,000
-- (Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged): 5,760,000,000)
-- Ultimate: 120,000,000,000

Piccolo: 1,350,000,000

Son Goten: 32,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,600,000,000
Son Goten (ROSAT): 40,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000

Trunks: 33,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,650,000,000
Trunks (ROSAT): 40,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000

Gotenks: 1,950,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 9,750,000,000
Gotenks (ROSAT): 2,400,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 12,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 96,000,000,000

Kaioshin (East): 1,800,000,000
Kibito: 45,000,000

Kibitoshin: 4,612,500,000

Pocus: 1,440,000
Yakon: 72,000,000
Dabra: 3,600,000,000

Boo (Fat): 12,000,000,000
Boo (Fat/Pre-Split): 32,000,000,000
-- Boo (Good): 12,000,000,000
-- Boo (Grey): 20,000,000,000
Boo (Evil): 80,000,000,000
Boo (Evil/Piccolo Absorbed): 81,350,000,000
Boo (Evil/Gotenks Absorbed): 176,000,000,000
Boo (Evil/Gohan Absorbed): 200,000,000,000
Boo (Bulky): 90,000,000,000
Boo (Pure): 24,000,000,000

Vegetto: 120,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 600,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 1,200,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 4,800,000,000,000

Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Whis: 15,000,000,000,000

Beerus: 500,000,000,000
-- 10% of full power: 1,000,000,000,000
-- 70% of full power: 7,000,000,000,000
-- Full power: 10,000,000,000,000

Son Goku: 75,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,750,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 7,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 30,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God: 6,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan (After keeping god powers): 6,000,000,000,000

Vegeta: 75,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,750,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 7,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged): 750,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Ultimate): 6,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000

Good Boo: 12,000,000,000

Piccolo: 2,400,000,000

Son Goten: 40,000,000
Trunks: 40,000,000

Gotenks: 2,400,000,000

Resurrection F Arc

Spoiler:

Vados: 16,000,000,000,000
Champa: 9,600,000,000,000

Freeza (First Form): 424,000
-- After 4 months of training: 53,000,000,000
-- True Form (100%): 120,000,000,000
-- Golden form: 7,200,000,000,000

Son Goku: 128,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 6,400,000,000,000

Vegeta: 128,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 6,400,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Ultimate): 4,800,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 24,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan (Enraged/Signal): 120,000,000,000

Tagoma: 30,000
-- After 4 months of training: 4,800,000,000
Ginyu [Inside Tagoma’s body]: 7,200,000,000

Sorbet: 100
Freeza’s remnant soldiers: 100 - 1,000

Piccolo: 2,700,000,000
Kuririn: 720,000
Tenshinhan: 540,000
Shisami: 30,000
Jaco: 500

Master Roshi: 139
-- Full power form: 350

Champa Arc

Spoiler:

Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000
Champa: 9,600,000,000,000
Monaka: 8,400,000,000,000

Son Goku (ROSAT): 160,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 800,000,000,000
-- (Super Saiyan 2: 1,600,000,000,000)?
-- (Super Saiyan 3: 6,400,000,000,000)?
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 8,000,000,000,000

Vegeta (ROSAT): Same as Goku?
Hit: ?
Cabba: ?
Magetta: ?

Frost (First Form): 80,000,000,000
-- Second/Assault Form: 160,000,000,000
-- True Form: 480,000,000,000
-- True Form/Weakened: 200,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Trained/Ultimate): 120,000,000,000
Piccolo: 144,000,000,000

Botamo: 16,000,000,000
Jaco: 500

Well... yeah. As ridiculous as it may sound, that's pretty much the case. I mean, as far as Goku knew, what he saw with Beerus was what he was getting. Hell, Goku was afraid he would hurt Beerus if he went all out as a SSJ3. And the whole "even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough" statement is never contradicted. Then you throw in the fact that SSJ2 Raging Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super pushed Beerus to use 10% of power, and Beerus commenting that Vegeta provided much more fun that Goku did when he fought him on King Kai's planet, and everything basically indicates to Beerus (<10%) >>>> Any form of Vegetto.

I know it's not contradicted, hence why I have Vegetto lower than Beerus. That doesn't mean Vegetto has to be less than .000001% or 5% or any arbitrary percentage Beerus used to trounce a SSJ3 Goku. Beerus could've suppressed himself to Boohan-level and still would've beat Goku, as Boo Arc Goku was scared straight just to fight with a regular Evil Boo, and Goku couldn't have increased that much since then due to still being weaker than Freeza in Base.

And what does Rageta have to do with anything concerning Vegetto? That just means [Beerus (10%) > Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta > Beerus (<10%) > SSJ3 Goku].

Also, keep in mind, Goku can't sense Beerus' power level at all. He's literally going by feats to make a judgement. So to say, "Someone who effortlessly beat SSJ3 Goku MUST be stronger than SSJ9,000 Vegetto, since that's the only logical explanation", is completely unnecessary, as we've seen characters trounce other characters the same way without a 1,000,000x gap.

[Hugo Boss]

If Potara fusion yielded the same results as Metamoran fusion, then there'd be no reason to emphasize the Potara's power in that instance.

It's not like this is the first time power is emphasized when a new form is about to debut. "Effect" means "result/outcome". In general, Potara is better than Fusion. That doesn't automatically mean this statement is referring solely to power.

[Analytic]

It's not like this is the first time power is emphasized when a new form is about to debut.

Can you elaborate on this point a bit more? The point I'm making is that it'd be redundant for Old Kaioshin to say "The Potara's power is just that amazing!" if it's not just the Potara that makes a fighter that strong but regular Fusion as well.

"Effect" means "result/outcome". In general, Potara is better than Fusion. That doesn't automatically mean this statement is referring solely to power.

So what about the resulting Potara fusion would be greater than a Metamoran variant? In a show that is literally all about battle power, I find it a bit hard to believe that power is what is being excluded from Old Kaioshin's assessment of the Potara's greater effect.

[LightBing]

SSJ3 Vegetto is way too high. Goku stated that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus. And at that stage, Beerus wasn't using no more than 10% of his power. He was most likely using around 1-5% of his power to kick SSJ3 Goku's ass.

Are you assuming that Goku thought that was Beerus' full power? Are you also assuming that, and this is Goku we're talking about here, he calculated how strong a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto would be just by somewhat remembering how strong a SSJ Vegetto was over 5 years ago and seeing the small improvement he and Vegeta have made since then, and in just a few seconds to boot? Sorry, but I don't buy it. It sounds like unnecessary digging of a scene in order to make unnecessary bloating. Heck, me even factoring in a hypoithetical SSJ3 Vegetto at this point is generous of me when calculating Beerus' power. Does this mean a hypothetical SSJ10 Kaio-Kenx 20 Vegetto is less than .000001% of Beerus' power JUST from Goku saying, "even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough"?

Well... yeah. As ridiculous as it may sound, that's pretty much the case. I mean, as far as Goku knew, what he saw with Beerus was what he was getting. Hell, Goku was afraid he would hurt Beerus if he went all out as a SSJ3. And the whole "even fusing with Vegeta wouldn't be enough" statement is never contradicted. Then you throw in the fact that SSJ2 Raging Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super pushed Beerus to use 10% of power, and Beerus commenting that Vegeta provided much more fun that Goku did when he fought him on King Kai's planet, and everything basically indicates to Beerus (<10%) >>>> Any form of Vegetto.

I don't see it that way. Would Beerus need to use power above that of Vegetto to defeat Goku? It's just weird. I analyze it as Goku making a prediction based on the small battle and feeling Beerus was holding back a lot. He does these sort of prediction all the time, including later in his battle with Beerus as a SSJG.
Beerus saying Vegeta was a more fun than Goku is just to clarify that Vegeta surpassed Goku.
Which is the whole point of that scene. In Super they just have Beerus say it instead of Master Roshi. I don't remember anyone assuming Vegeta was stronger than Vegetto in the movie.

[ZombieVito]

Since I just put out some levels, might as well bring in a more organized list. Starting from Boo Arc onward.

Boo Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 6,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 24,000,000,000


Vegeta: 48,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,400,000,000
-- (Super Saiyan 2: 4,800,000,000)
-- Super Saiyan 2 [Majin]: 6,000,000,000

Son Gohan: 45,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,250,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 4,500,000,000
-- (Super Saiyan 2 (Enraged): 5,760,000,000)
-- Ultimate: 120,000,000,000

Piccolo: 1,350,000,000

Son Goten: 32,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,600,000,000
Son Goten (ROSAT): 40,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000

Trunks: 33,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,650,000,000
Trunks (ROSAT): 40,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000

Gotenks: 1,950,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 9,750,000,000
Gotenks (ROSAT): 2,400,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 12,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 96,000,000,000

Kaioshin (East): 1,800,000,000
Kibito: 45,000,000

Kibitoshin: 4,612,500,000

Pocus: 1,440,000
Yakon: 72,000,000
Dabra: 3,600,000,000

Boo (Fat): 12,000,000,000
Boo (Fat/Pre-Split): 32,000,000,000
-- Boo (Good): 12,000,000,000
-- Boo (Grey): 20,000,000,000
Boo (Evil): 80,000,000,000
Boo (Evil/Piccolo Absorbed): 81,350,000,000
Boo (Evil/Gotenks Absorbed): 176,000,000,000
Boo (Evil/Gohan Absorbed): 200,000,000,000
Boo (Bulky): 90,000,000,000
Boo (Pure): 24,000,000,000

Vegetto: 120,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 600,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 1,200,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 4,800,000,000,000

Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Whis: 15,000,000,000,000

Beerus: 500,000,000,000
-- 10% of full power: 1,000,000,000,000
-- 70% of full power: 7,000,000,000,000
-- Full power: 10,000,000,000,000

Son Goku: 75,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,750,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 7,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 30,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God: 6,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan [After keeping god powers]: 6,000,000,000,000

Vegeta: 75,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,750,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 7,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged]: 750,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Ultimate): 6,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000

Good Boo: 12,000,000,000

Piccolo: 2,400,000,000

Son Goten: 40,000,000
Trunks: 40,000,000

Gotenks: 2,400,000,000

Resurrection F Arc

Spoiler:

Vados: 16,000,000,000,000
Champa: 9,600,000,000,000

Freeza (First Form): 424,000
-- After 4 months of training: 53,000,000,000
-- True Form (100%): 120,000,000,000
-- Golden form: 7,200,000,000,000

Son Goku: 128,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 6,400,000,000,000

Vegeta: 128,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 6,400,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Ultimate): 4,800,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 24,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan (Enraged/Signal): 120,000,000,000

Tagoma: 30,000
-- After 4 months of training: 4,800,000,000
Ginyu [Inside Tagoma’s body]: 7,200,000,000

Sorbet: 100
Freeza’s remnant soldiers: 100 - 1,000

Piccolo: 2,700,000,000
Kuririn: 720,000
Tenshinhan: 540,000
Shisami: 30,000
Jaco: 500

Master Roshi: 139
-- Full power form: 350

Champa Arc

Spoiler:

Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000
Champa: 9,600,000,000,000
Monaka: 9,000,000,000,000

Son Goku (ROSAT): 160,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 800,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 8,000,000,000,000

Vegeta (ROSAT): Same as Goku?
Hit: ?
Cabba: ?
Magetta: ?

Frost (First Form): 80,000,000,000
-- Second/Assault Form: 160,000,000,000
-- True Form: 400,000,000,000
-- True Form/Weakened: 180,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Trained/Ultimate): 120,000,000,000
Piccolo: 144,000,000,000

Botamo: 16,000,000,000
Jaco: 500

I'm flattered.

[Darkron2151]

I'm flattered.

So you noticed? Yeah, I took your layout from a few pages back and replaced your PLs with mine. Also used the same layout for Boo Arc. I was lazy

[Lord Beerus]

And what does Rageta have to do with anything concerning Vegetto? That just means [Beerus (10%) > Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta > Beerus (<10%) > SSJ3 Goku]

Because if Goku hypothetically thinks that Vegetto in any capacity wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus, who was using less than 10% of his power for all intents and purposes at that time, and using the 1-15 scale for God tier characters, SSJ3 Vegetto being a 4.8 on your scale doesn't work at all. If SSJ2 Raging Vegeta can make Beerus use 10% of his power to tank everything he was throwing at him, what does that say about how much power Beerus was using when kicked SSJ3 Goku's ass? Especially when Beerus specifically makes the comment about how much more fun he had fighting SSJ2 Vegeta than he did fighting SSJ3 Goku. Goku came a solid conclusion, judging from his first encounter with Beerus, that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't enough to defeat Beerus. That is the be all and end all. Then after Beeurs fights Vegeta, he make the statement that he had use 10% of his power to handle Raging SSJ2 Vegeta and then makes the comment that he had much more fun fighting Vegeta than he did Goku on King Kai's planet. This all heavy implies that Beerus used a quite a lot less power when he fought Goku originally. Perhaps around 3-6%. The same amount of power than Goku believed would able to defeat hypothetical Vegetto in any form.

So in reality, this is how things stand:

Beerus (10%) >> Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta > Beerus (<10%) >>>>> SSJ3 Vegetto >>>>> SSJ3 Goku

And going by the 1-15 for God tier characters in BOG/ROF/Super, SSJ3 Vegetto doesn't rank on the scale.

[Hugo Boss]

It's not like this is the first time power is emphasized when a new form is about to debut.

Can you elaborate on this point a bit more? The point I'm making is that it'd be redundant for Old Kaioshin to say "The Potara's power is just that amazing!" if it's not just the Potara that makes a fighter that strong but regular Fusion as well.

"Effect" means "result/outcome". In general, Potara is better than Fusion. That doesn't automatically mean this statement is referring solely to power.

So what about the resulting Potara fusion would be greater than a Metamoran variant? In a show that is literally all about battle power, I find it a bit hard to believe that power is what is being excluded from Old Kaioshin's assessment of the Potara's greater effect.

"Potara's power is just that amazing" doesn't mean Potara's power is greater than Fusion's. All transformations and fusions are said to provide amazing power-up. With Potara this isn't different. Dragon Ball isn't all about power. If you are keeping up with Dragon Ball Super until now, you can see power is a factor in the fights' outcome, it's not the only one. Exploring weakness is also a very important factor.

[ZombieVito]

I'm flattered.

So you noticed? Yeah, I took your layout from a few pages back and replaced your PLs with mine. Also used the same layout for Boo Arc. I was lazy

Of course I would!