The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Draken]

No, that's not my interpretation. That's what's outright stated; Gohan never stopped training and still has his ultimate form in the movies, and Movie 13 is apparently canon to GT (doesn't Trunks still use Tapion's sword?). So either his ultimate form disappeared for no reason or his base IS his ultimate form.

I don't really wanna go through the number shennanigans again (mostly because, well, I already did that), but I'd like to point that Anime Pure Buu is "on a whole different level" than Buuhan, who is already stronger than his manga version by a mile, so that generally leaves a lot of room.

Either Goku was insanely buffed or everyone else was nerfed. If you choose everyone else was nerfed then Goku can be the same strength. If you choose Goku getting insanely buffed then he had to have gotten 300x stronger. Several interpretations. It is your interpretation, you just stated it in your post. Either his ultimate form disappeared (magic wearing off?) or his base is his ultimate. You chose to interpret it as his base is his ultimate.

[Saiga]

GT Gohan still has the Ultimate eyes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Full Power SSJ4 Gogeta(No time limit) vs GT Vegetto SSJ3 Full power

I don't believe that Goku & Vegeta improved a lot from Boo arc to GT, so GT Vegetto wouldn't be significantly different from the Vegetto we saw. And since Super Vegetto is implied to be slightly stronger than SS4 Goku, which makes SS3 Vegetto around 8 times stronger than SS4 Goku, while SS4 Gogeta is stated to be dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku... Gogeta takes this, easily.

[TheGmGoken]

Full Power SSJ4 Gogeta(No time limit) vs GT Vegetto SSJ3 Full power

I don't believe that Goku & Vegeta improved a lot from Boo arc to GT, so GT Vegetto wouldn't be significantly different from the Vegetto we saw. And since Super Vegetto is implied to be slightly stronger than SS4 Goku, which makes SS3 Vegetto around 8 times stronger than SS4 Goku, while SS4 Gogeta is stated to be dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku... Gogeta takes this, easily.

You don't think GT Goku isn't much stronger than Z arc Goku. GT GOku > SSJ3 Z Goku. Plus GT Vegeta randomly became equal to GT Goku.

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ4 Gogeta takes this. Super Vegetto is stated to be slightly superior to SSJ4 Goku in the GT Perfect Files.

[Kamiccolo9]

SSJ4 Gogeta takes this. Super Vegetto is stated to be slightly superior to SSJ4 Goku in the GT Perfect Files.

In Z. This fight is between GT SSJ4 Gogeta and a hypothetical GT SSJ3 Vegetto.

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ4 Gogeta takes this. Super Vegetto is stated to be slightly superior to SSJ4 Goku in the GT Perfect Files.

In Z. This fight is between GT SSJ4 Gogeta and a hypothetical GT SSJ3 Vegetto.

Oooooooh, Vegetto wins easy. In fact, SSJ2 would be enough.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I think Vegetto would take this fight quite easily.

[TheGmGoken]

Super Boo(Omega Shenron,Vegetto,Gohan,Gotenks, Fat Boo, and Piccolo Absorbed) vs Whis

[TheMightyOzaru]

Super Boo(Omega Shenron,Vegetto,Gohan,Gotenks, Fat Boo, and Piccolo Absorbed) vs Whis

Whis.

[Kamiccolo9]

Super Boo(Omega Shenron,Vegetto,Gohan,Gotenks, Fat Boo, and Piccolo Absorbed) vs Whis

Since we don't know how strong Whis is, other than he is somewhat stronger than Beers, who is somewhat stronger than Super Vegetto, there's no way of knowing. The minimalist in me wants to say that Buu wins, but we don't really have a way to know how strong Whis really is, so it's possible that he takes this as well.

[TheGmGoken]

(IN TERMS OF SKILL NOT POWER)

Master Roshi(Prime) vs Birsu or Piccolo(Cell Games Arc) vs Muten Roshi.

[Mjb1985]

Roshi isn't all that skilled. He was getting out performed by a 12 year old who just started to understand fighting.

[TheGmGoken]

Roshi isn't all that skilled. He was getting out performed by a 12 year old who just started to understand fighting.

Goku was naturally gifted at fighting. Goku understood fighting for a long time. Grand Pa Gohan remember. Muten wasn't out performed. I always seen it like Roshi had the small edge on Goku

[Mjb1985]

I know I'm just joking. But I was just mentioning how it's not like Roshi is the most skilled fighter ever. It's amazing that all of the most skilled fighters come from Earth huh? So weird.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You don't think GT Goku isn't much stronger than Z arc Goku. GT GOku > SSJ3 Z Goku. Plus GT Vegeta randomly became equal to GT Goku.

I know all that, I just disagree with the anime because it's wrong. There is no way for Goku to get so strong. There is no way for base Goku to fight equally with Rild (stated to be stronger than Boo), there is no way for base Goku to be able to easily beat SS Gohan & SS Goten, there is no way for base Goku to bitch around with Final Form Freeza & Super Perfect Cell, and there is no freaking way for SS4 Goku & Vegeta to be equals, yet Oozaru Vegeta overpowers SS4 Goku, that's all bullshit. In the DB anime, we see Mutaito as stronger than Goku, who is stronger than Piccolo Daimao, who is stronger than Mutaito. Bullshit. In DBZ, we see Yamcha bitching around with Olibu, who is shown to be not very far from Paikuhan (with weights), we see SS3 Goku as stronger than Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks, and Pure Boo as stronger than Gohan Boo. Bullshit, again. In GT, we see all those I mentioned above, plus the fact that base Gohan was fighting evenly with base Rild. Should I remind you that base Goku could fight evenly with base Rild & that base Goku could kick SS Gohan's ass with just a few hits? Which means that base base Gohan = Rild = base Goku >>> SS Gohan. Bullshit, bullshit, and... also bullshit.

So yeah, Toei makes no fucking sense. It's better to ignore the anime-only feats & power statements. I go by the manga rules, even in GT. And Goku shouldn't be much stronger.

[Kid Buu]

Rild was on the verge of defeating Gohan actually, Uub jumped in and one-shotted Rild.

[Kamiccolo9]

(IN TERMS OF SKILL NOT POWER)

Master Roshi(Prime) vs Birsu or Piccolo(Cell Games Arc) vs Muten Roshi.

Since Beers was much stronger than everyone he fought, his skill was never really put on display. So no idea there.
I would put Piccolo above Roshi. Goku and Roshi were roughly even at the 21st Budokai, while Piccolo and Goku were roughly even at the 23rd. Since Goku was much more skilled at the later budokai than he was at the former, and since I don't think Roshi's skill improved all that much after the 21st, then Piccolo has this.

[MDSTSSJ]

You don't think GT Goku isn't much stronger than Z arc Goku. GT GOku > SSJ3 Z Goku. Plus GT Vegeta randomly became equal to GT Goku.

I know all that, I just disagree with the anime because it's wrong. There is no way for Goku to get so strong. There is no way for base Goku to fight equally with Rild (stated to be stronger than Boo), there is no way for base Goku to be able to easily beat SS Gohan & SS Goten, there is no way for base Goku to bitch around with Final Form Freeza & Super Perfect Cell, and there is no freaking way for SS4 Goku & Vegeta to be equals, yet Oozaru Vegeta overpowers SS4 Goku, that's all bullshit. In the DB anime, we see Mutaito as stronger than Goku, who is stronger than Piccolo Daimao, who is stronger than Mutaito. Bullshit. In DBZ, we see Yamcha bitching around with Olibu, who is shown to be not very far from Paikuhan (with weights), we see SS3 Goku as stronger than Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks, and Pure Boo as stronger than Gohan Boo. Bullshit, again. In GT, we see all those I mentioned above, plus the fact that base Gohan was fighting evenly with base Rild. Should I remind you that base Goku could fight evenly with base Rild & that base Goku could kick SS Gohan's ass with just a few hits? Which means that base base Gohan = Rild = base Goku >>> SS Gohan. Bullshit, bullshit, and... also bullshit.

So yeah, Toei makes no fucking sense. It's better to ignore the anime-only feats & power statements. I go by the manga rules, even in GT. And Goku shouldn't be much stronger.

In a side history like GT why not? Kakarotto never had a damn strong training partner like Oob. With a partner like that, is very conceivable for me.

In real life, training with stronger partners works awesome. In a DB life, Aliens like Saiyans, should work 1000 times better.

However, I agree with you on some of your statemens. There is some bullshit around in the Anime ( generally speaking).

[TheGmGoken]

You don't think GT Goku isn't much stronger than Z arc Goku. GT GOku > SSJ3 Z Goku. Plus GT Vegeta randomly became equal to GT Goku.

I know all that, I just disagree with the anime because it's wrong. There is no way for Goku to get so strong. There is no way for base Goku to fight equally with Rild (stated to be stronger than Boo), there is no way for base Goku to be able to easily beat SS Gohan & SS Goten, there is no way for base Goku to bitch around with Final Form Freeza & Super Perfect Cell, and there is no freaking way for SS4 Goku & Vegeta to be equals, yet Oozaru Vegeta overpowers SS4 Goku, that's all bullshit. In the DB anime, we see Mutaito as stronger than Goku, who is stronger than Piccolo Daimao, who is stronger than Mutaito. Bullshit. In DBZ, we see Yamcha bitching around with Olibu, who is shown to be not very far from Paikuhan (with weights), we see SS3 Goku as stronger than Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks, and Pure Boo as stronger than Gohan Boo. Bullshit, again. In GT, we see all those I mentioned above, plus the fact that base Gohan was fighting evenly with base Rild. Should I remind you that base Goku could fight evenly with base Rild & that base Goku could kick SS Gohan's ass with just a few hits? Which means that base base Gohan = Rild = base Goku >>> SS Gohan. Bullshit, bullshit, and... also bullshit.

So yeah, Toei makes no fucking sense. It's better to ignore the anime-only feats & power statements. I go by the manga rules, even in GT. And Goku shouldn't be much stronger.

BUT DBGT follows the anime(counting movies) not the manga. There's no way to include manga facts lol

In a side history like GT why not? Kakarotto never had a damn strong training partner like Oob. With a partner like that, is very conceivable for me.

In real life, training with stronger partners works awesome. In a DB life, Aliens like Saiyans, should work 1000 times better.

However, I agree with you on some of your statemens. There is some bullshit around in the Anime ( generally speaking).

Goku had Gohan(HBTC) who was more or less even with him AT THE TIME. So that would be better training than Oob to be honest. Yeah Oob is stronger then Cell Arc Gohan by a great deal but Goku and Gohan not only had a great chemistry in fighting training style but their powers was closer thus making them compete and get stronger. Gohan motivation of wanting to be strong to fight for his friends and Goku wanting Gohan to surpass him.

Yeah the anime is bullshit at times. SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ3 Gotenks according to the anime.