Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ssbgoku]

And what does Rageta have to do with anything concerning Vegetto? That just means [Beerus (10%) > Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta > Beerus (<10%) > SSJ3 Goku]

Because if Goku hypothetically thinks that Vegetto in any capacity wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus, who was using less than 10% of his power for all intents and purposes at that time, and using the 1-15 scale for God tier characters, SSJ3 Vegetto being a 4.8 on your scale doesn't work at all. If SSJ2 Raging Vegeta can make Beerus use 10% of his power to tank everything he was throwing at him, what does that say about how much power Beerus was using when kicked SSJ3 Goku's ass? Especially when Beerus specifically makes the comment about how much more fun he had fighting SSJ2 Vegeta than he did fighting SSJ3 Goku. Goku came a solid conclusion, judging from his first encounter with Beerus, that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't enough to defeat Beerus. That is the be all and end all. Then after Beeurs fights Vegeta, he make the statement that he had use 10% of his power to handle Raging SSJ2 Vegeta and then makes the comment that he had much more fun fighting Vegeta than he did Goku on King Kai's planet. This all heavy implies that Beerus used a quite a lot less power when he fought Goku originally. Perhaps around 3-6%. The same amount of power than Goku believed would able to defeat hypothetical Vegetto in any form.

So in reality, this is how things stand:

Beerus (10%) >> Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta > Beerus (<10%) >>>>> SSJ3 Vegetto >>>>> SSJ3 Goku

And going by the 1-15 for God tier characters in BOG/ROF/Super, SSJ3 Vegetto doesn't rank on the scale.

Sorry But I just can not stop laughing, is that a joke enraged ssj2 vegeta > ssj3 vegito, no I call that bullshit straight away unless Akira hit himself in head.
The only ssj vegito we have seen was ssj vegito buu arc and even he was holding back to some degree against buuhan. Keeping that in mind:

beerus -10
god goku bog -6
ssj3 vegito - 4.8
ssj2 vegito - 1.2
10 % beerus - 1
ssj vegito - 0.6
final flash of vegeta - 0.3
Enraged ssj2 vegeta - 0.1

It works pretty well. Anyway ssj3 vegito can not be less then 3.2 and at the most he would be 5.6 on god scale. The reasons are because goku has never experienced ssj3 vegito power level and even full power of ssj vegito, that it. There is no way for beerus 10% to be supperior to ssj3 vegito buu arc, no less ssj3 vegito bog arc.

[ahill1]

What level do you guys give for Vegeta and Piccolo from Trunks saga? For simplicity, let's say base Goku [Namek] is at 3,000,000.

Something like

Piccolo 3,300,000
Vegeta 3,500,000

or

Piccolo 4,000,000
Vegeta 4,200,000

?

[ZombieVito]

Neither. I don't see them surpassing base Goku from Namek yet.

Vegeta: 2,600,000
Piccolo: 2,400,000

[ekrolo2]

I'd argue Piccolo could be potentially stronger than Vegeta since he's Goku's first choice when he hears someone killed Freeza & Cold.

[ahill1]

I'd argue Piccolo could be potentially stronger than Vegeta since he's Goku's first choice when he hears someone killed Freeza & Cold.

This doesn't mean much IMO. Vegeta [after Kuririn's blast Zenkai] surpassed Piccolo by a lot and we don't have any indications that the status quo between them changed, so I'd say Vegeta is still stronger.

[Kamiccolo9]

I like having Piccolo stronger there. He's the one who takes charge of the group, he threatens Vegeta, and Goku thinks he beat Freeza first. Any of those alone doesn't mean much, but together there are more things pointing towards Piccolo than Vegeta.

[RandomGuy96]

Ditto. I think maybe he might be a LOT stronger than Vegeta actually. Those beastly training gains had to start somewhere.

[ahill1]

Ditto. I think maybe he might be a LOT stronger than Vegeta actually. Those beastly training gains had to start somewhere.

But Vegeta [post Final Zenkai] was a lot stronger than Piccolo... There's no indication Piccolo surpassed Vegeta.

[DanielSSJ]

It's also prudent to point out that, in the manga, Vegeta isn't shown training at all until after Goku returns to Earth.

[ZombieVito]

It's also prudent to point out that, in the manga, Vegeta isn't shown training at all until after Goku returns to Earth.

But Bulma says he trains.

[apex_pretador]

dead even
Both at 3.5 M , goku (base) pre freeza fight = 3.1 M , while turning SS = 4 M

[Pocket-God]

So I figured we could all share where we think the members of both teams stand compared to their partners and opponents. Also sorry if this is the wrong place to post this

My Uni 7 chain goes-

Monaka > Goku(SSB) > Vegeta(SSB) > Goku (SSJ) > Buu > Goku(Base) > Vegeta(Base) > Piccolo

And my Uni 7 chain goes-

Hit > Cabba > Magetta > Frost(Final Form) > Frost(Assault Form) > Botamo

then add both teams together and mine goes-

Hit =(or)> Monaka > Goku(SSB) > Cabba > Vegeta(SSB) > Goku(SSJ) > (Either Buu or Magetta fit in over here) > (Whoever wasn't in the last spot) > Goku(Base) > Vegeta(Base) = Frost(Final Form) > Piccolo > Frost(Assault Form) > Botamo.

welp those are my chains, I'd love to see yours.....and please guys no arguing with people just because their lists might seem crazy to you-

Characters to use:

Monaka
Goku(SSB)
Vegeta(SSB)
Goku (SSJ)
Buu
Goku(Base)
Vegeta(Base)
Piccolo
Hit
Cabba
Magetta
Frost(Final Form)
Frost(Assault Form)
Botamo

[ZombieVito]

How can normal base Goku be over assault and final form Frost?

[Pocket-God]

How can normal base Goku be over assault and final form Frost?

Well in my opinion Goku was just screwing around the entire time and he only went SSJ in order to get Frost to transform. I think that if he was going all out he would of easily taken out the Frieza clone. But again that's just my opinion. So how does your chain go?

[ZombieVito]

How can normal base Goku be over assault and final form Frost?

Well in my opinion Goku was just screwing around the entire time and he only went SSJ in order to get Frost to transform. I think that if he was going all out he would of easily taken out the Frieza clone. But again that's just my opinion. So how does your chain go?

I'm waiting for some things to be explained.

Then there's the problem about Piccolo. His power is different between the anime and manga.

[Pocket-God]

Oh what do you want to be explained?
well....lets just go with anime versions of the characters for this list then shall we?

[ZombieVito]

The whole turning their god power on and off in base theory. That will affect Botamo, Frost, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Boo's placement. Maybe even Magetta's.

[Lord Frieza]

Have to agree with Zombie there is no evidence that states they have "turned off" their god power. Until that is actually stated Goku and Vegeta should be considered "saiyan beyond god" in their base forms.

[ZombieVito]

Have to agree with Zombie there is no evidence that states they have "turned off" their god power. Until that is actually stated Goku and Vegeta should be considered "saiyan beyond god" in their base forms.

The problem with that is that both Piccolo and Gohan would have surpassed them in that state with no explanation apart for mountain training for 8 months.

[Lord Frieza]

Have to agree with Zombie there is no evidence that states they have "turned off" their god power. Until that is actually stated Goku and Vegeta should be considered "saiyan beyond god" in their base forms.

The problem with that is that both Piccolo and Gohan would have surpassed them in that state with no explanation apart for mountain training for 8 months.

Not really, maybe Gohan due to his potential (but thats unlikely) but when Piccolo battled Frost, Frost was far from top condition. Frost had clearly taken some serious damage from Goku as he was having trouble to stand up after just one punch Goku and he took several before he cheated. He also had no rest before their fight and like namek Frieza, he dosen't seem have full control of his final forms power either. Plus Goku stated that even in this condition Piccolo would still loose to Frost. The primary reason Piccolo did so well was that Frost was weakened and he's a very smart fighter, the fact that he's trying to use a full power makankosappo right off the bat shows how much of a threat Frost is. He hasn't tried that since his fight with Raditz and even then it was a last resort.

The the only reason I can think of as to why Frost even had to use his poison against Piccolo was that he was actually far more damaged then he let on. So it's not that Piccolo has gotten ridiculously stronger, its just that Frost has had his ass kicked badly and is now weak enough for Piccolo to have a slime chance of wining. Or at least thats how I see it.