"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kishido]

Yeah but what AFTER that. Why no new God of Deatruction over the years?

Maybe he hasn't found one yet. Or maybe he can't make one a Hakaishin because no Kaioshins have been born yet.

And what about Zeno. Whis should have tell him that Beerus is dead or he himself would check out.

Even if he did tell him, it's Whis' job to find a new one. What would you expect Zenno to do?

Zeno was checking the tournament if Champa and Beerus make their job probably.

So you think he is fine with years of no Kaioshins and god of Destruction while some other god like person is wrecking havoc over one of the universes he RULES over?

Owhy not him ordering to speed up or in the meantime simply get rid of Black?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah but what AFTER that. Why no new God of Deatruction over the years?

Maybe he hasn't found one yet. Or maybe he can't make one a Hakaishin because no Kaioshins have been born yet.

And what about Zeno. Whis should have tell him that Beerus is dead or he himself would check out.

Even if he did tell him, it's Whis' job to find a new one. What would you expect Zenno to do?

Zeno was checking the tournament if Champa and Beerus make their job probably.

So you think he is fine with years of no Kaioshins and god of Destruction while some other god like person is wrecking havoc over one of the universes he RULES over?

Owhy not him ordering to speed up or in the meantime simply get rid of Black?

Kami was "fine" with Piccolo Daimao taking over the world and bringing anarchy to the whole Earth while he would destroy an area of the planet every year. Kaioshin was "fine" with Freeza & his army taking over planets all over the universe & killing countless of innocents. The gods' job isn't to kill the bad guys in the universe, unless if they threaten to destroy the universe, and Black isn't a danger of that level like Majin Boo was, at least not yet.

[Kishido]

Maybe he hasn't found one yet. Or maybe he can't make one a Hakaishin because no Kaioshins have been born yet.


Even if he did tell him, it's Whis' job to find a new one. What would you expect Zenno to do?

Zeno was checking the tournament if Champa and Beerus make their job probably.

So you think he is fine with years of no Kaioshins and god of Destruction while some other god like person is wrecking havoc over one of the universes he RULES over?

Owhy not him ordering to speed up or in the meantime simply get rid of Black?

Kami was "fine" with Piccolo Daimao taking over the world and bringing anarchy to the whole Earth while he would destroy an area of the planet every year. Kaioshin was "fine" with Freeza & his army taking over planets all over the universe & killing countless of innocents. The gods' job isn't to kill the bad guys in the universe, unless if they threaten to destroy the universe, and Black isn't a danger of that level like Majin Boo was, at least not yet.

Non of this characters have been gods that are needed to bring balance to the universe

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Non of this characters have been gods that are needed to bring balance to the universe

Wrong. The Kaioshins create life, and the Hakaishins destroy it. Kami's job is to oversee the Earth. All of the gods exist in order to maintain balance in the universe.

[Kishido]

Non of this characters have been gods that are needed to bring balance to the universe

Wrong. The Kaioshins create life, and the Hakaishins destroy it. Kami's job is to oversee the Earth. All of the gods exist in order to maintain balance in the universe.

Well we won't agree with each other. Where was the Kami of Namek? Of Vegeta and so on?
Again the Kaioshins and Beerus are above everthing and the most important in the universe. They create life and destroy it for balance.

Both are gone and Zeno doesn't give a damn?

[dodonpa]

No news about the release of the second collected volume? With the last chapter there are enough pages to fill it.

[Jaetinh]

I prefer the manga over the anime for sure.

Future Trunks also looks pretty damn badass in the manga.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 15-

Overall, the anime did this part better.

Toyotaro is really good in fight choreography, when he wants.
I really liked how FT Trunks used his sword, but I will take the anime version. I've been rewatching that fight countless time over since it came out.

I also like that FT Trunks used SSJ2 here. In the anime, I just assumed he was too weak because of being constantly running away and barely have any food.

FT Trunks PTSD was much more intense in the anime. The edition, his scream, everyone shocked reactions and Sumitomo's gorgeous soundtrack made that scene marvelous.
It's not Toyotaro fault here. The manga just couldn't win this one.

I liked how this line was said:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
The manga is black/white, so it's for everyone interpretation to assume which hair color both Trunks have.
Unfortunately, Toei was forced to go with the blue Hair for FT Trunks, so they couldn't say it like this and we are supposed to assume he always had blue hair.

As a guy that barely cares about power levels, FT Trunks SSJ2 power being close to Goku SSJ3 after everything that happened since BOG, and the fact that Goku needed to use God Ki to beat FT Trunks, bothers me.

This insult is funny:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
11/10 Brilliant translation.

I don't like how Bulma only needs one day to create enough fuel for the Time Machine. Like Bulma has been working exactly on the same fuel wasn't convenient enough already
The anime made this part much more believable.

Seems like FT Trunks is 10 years older since the Cell arc. I thought we had been informed he was 17 years older?! Kinda confused here.

Things that the manga did better:
- FT Trunks used SSJ2 against Black.
- Goku has his SS2 hair when he spars with FT Trunks, while in the anime they screwed up and drew him with his SSJ hair.
- Explained that Kaioshin/GoD from FT Trunks are dead.

The anime can still explain the latter though.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Seems like FT Trunks is 10 years older since the Cell arc. I thought we had been informed he was 17 years older?! Kinda confused here.

It was mistranslated, he actually says that it's been over 10 years, not just 10 years. Based on what we know, it should be 12 years.

[FortuneSSJ]

Seems like FT Trunks is 10 years older since the Cell arc. I thought we had been informed he was 17 years older?! Kinda confused here.

It was mistranslated, he actually says that it's been over 10 years, not just 10 years. Based on what we know, it should be 12 years.

The line is "over 10 years" and the 17 years is the amount of years he travels back.. the exact same amount of years he travelled back last time, which means the same amount of time has passed in the two timelines(over 10 years).

Breakdown of the official Ages:
767: Cell Games
774: Buu Arc
778: BoG
779: RoF
779+: Champa & Future Trunks

So at least 12 years have passed in the main timeline, fitting with the over 10 years stated in this chapter.

Thanks for clarify, guys! Makes sense now.

[dbgtFO]

Seems like FT Trunks is 10 years older since the Cell arc. I thought we had been informed he was 17 years older?! Kinda confused here.

The line is "over 10 years" and the 17 years is the amount of years he travels back.. the exact same amount of years he travelled back last time, which means the same amount of time has passed in the two timelines(over 10 years).

Breakdown of the official Ages:
767: Cell Games
774: Buu Arc
778: BoG
779: RoF
779+: Champa & Future Trunks

So at least 12 years have passed in the main timeline, fitting with the over 10 years stated in this chapter.

[Chiki]

Thank you. It appears that Trunks started at a level above SS2 Gohan in order to show Goku his original SS2 level from when he obtained the form, and then powered up to the level he reached after further training. So, this has nothing to do with Vegeta's rage boost, or any mastery of the SS2 form.

So the Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's syndrome (which allows him to surpass Super Saiyan 3 Goku) is a genetic trait and Trunks got it too, huh? That's... Uhm... What!?

Trunks not only surpassed Movie 14's Super Saiyan 3 Goku, as he is equal to Future Trunks' saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku too? Okay then.

No, Trunks reached that level because he is a Saiyan Halfling, so he is much more gifted than Goku & Vegeta, and he trained his ass for over a decade

? If anything, it can be understood as a statement in favor of the FPSS2 theory, and a counterargument to the rage SS2 boost, since he wasn't satisfied with the usual SS2 power and wanted to ascend, much like how Vegeta wasn't satisfied with the SS power in the Android arc and wanted to ascend. The parallels are pretty clear.

[samuo2]

Hm.. In the first translations of the leaks, it was says that at the opposite of the anime, Bulma asks to Chibi Trunks if the person has the same haircut as him, and no mention of the color, so is the translation of mangareader safe, or the translation of the leak is at least a fake ?

[dbgtFO]

Thank you. It appears that Trunks started at a level above SS2 Gohan in order to show Goku his original SS2 level from when he obtained the form, and then powered up to the level he reached after further training. So, this has nothing to do with Vegeta's rage boost, or any mastery of the SS2 form.

So the Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's syndrome (which allows him to surpass Super Saiyan 3 Goku) is a genetic trait and Trunks got it too, huh? That's... Uhm... What!?

Trunks not only surpassed Movie 14's Super Saiyan 3 Goku, as he is equal to Future Trunks' saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku too? Okay then.

No, Trunks reached that level because he is a Saiyan Halfling, so he is much more gifted than Goku & Vegeta, and he trained his ass for over a decade

? If anything, it can be understood as a statement in favor of the FPSS2 theory, and a counterargument to the rage SS2 boost, since he wasn't satisfied with the usual SS2 power and wanted to ascend, much like how Vegeta wasn't satisfied with the SS power in the Android arc and wanted to ascend. The parallels are pretty clear.

Completely agreed. He says he, like Goku, was not satisfied with that transformation(SS2), so he reached a new level, but without transforming, implying a Full Power SS2.
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Anyone think Goku being strongly against being a God of Destruction is a hint towards that actually being kinda the case with his seemingly alternate self(heavy speculation!!) Black?
It's already been mentioned a few times, but his Super Saiyan form is a pun on the alcoholic drink Rosé, just like how the Gods of Destruction we've seen so far have had names based on alcohol.

[Noah]

Breakdown of the official Ages:
767: Cell Games
774: Buu Arc
778: BoG
779: RoF
779+: Champa & Future Trunks

So looks like we have 5 more years until we get to EoZ, I really wonder if Super will get to this point

[Alruneia]

Breakdown of the official Ages:
767: Cell Games
774: Buu Arc
778: BoG
779: RoF
779+: Champa & Future Trunks

So looks like we have 5 more years until we get to EoZ, I really wonder if Super will get to this point

Well, it's gonna start getting cramped soon if they continue using the current timeframe. Another arc without a proper timeskip would already be a bit too much. I say introduce Bulla, have Goku and Pan play with Zen-chan, and then jump to Age 784 before the next proper arc begins (Vegeta and the gang go to Planet Salad without Goku? Maybe? Please?). Of course, that's just wishful thinking on my part (though not entirely unrealistic), since at the moment it's not any less likely that Super is stuck in some sort of temporal infinity where nothing will ever change and everything technically happens at once.
We'll see when we get to 2017, I suppose. We should know by then.

[LightBing]

Is the four years jump after the Boo Arc actually confirmed in Super, be it anime or manga? Or are people under the assumption that it follows BoG original time skip?

[alakazam^]

Is the four years jump after the Boo Arc actually confirmed in Super, be it anime or manga? Or are people under the assumption that it follows BoG original time skip?

It wasn't stated in any shape or form, the word they use in the first episode/chapter is vague enough to not provide an answer. I would say Goten and Trunks being kids hint towards not much time having passed, though.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Hm.. In the first translations of the leaks, it was says that at the opposite of the anime, Bulma asks to Chibi Trunks if the person has the same haircut as him, and no mention of the color, so is the translation of mangareader safe, or the translation of the leak is at least a fake ?

The line in the Korean version we translated was literally "Trunks! Is there a guy in there with the same hair as you?". That can be adapted in different ways. Since there was no direct mention of color/blue/purple, we chose not to use that option.

Is the four years jump after the Boo Arc actually confirmed in Super, be it anime or manga? Or are people under the assumption that it follows BoG original time skip?

It wasn't stated in any shape or form, the word they use in the first episode/chapter is vague enough to not provide an answer. I would say Goten and Trunks being kids hint towards not much time having passed, though.

That was still the case in the movies though, and most of the other information remains in tact. If you have the series pick back up shortly after Boo in AGE 774, things like Beerus' nap and Trunks' time travel periods fall out of whack.

[LightBing]

Is the four years jump after the Boo Arc actually confirmed in Super, be it anime or manga? Or are people under the assumption that it follows BoG original time skip?

It wasn't stated in any shape or form, the word they use in the first episode/chapter is vague enough to not provide an answer. I would say Goten and Trunks being kids hint towards not much time having passed, though.

That was still the case in the movies though, and most of the other information remains in tact. If you have the series pick back up shortly after Boo in AGE 774, things like Beerus' nap and Trunks' time travel periods fall out of whack.

Can't those aspects be molded to fit? The vagueness is strange to say the least, they already had the supposed time gap from BoG. Then we had scenarios like the World Peace Prize and Vegeta fulfilling his promise to Trunks, making the four years really suspicious.
I doubt there's any worry to retcon aspects of the last chapters of Dragon Ball, even from Mr.Toriyama.