The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Goku pulls a win against suppressed Cell and loses to both power weighted Cell and FP Perfect Cell.

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ Goku (Buu Arc) vs Perfect Cell/FP Perfect Cell/Power Weighted Perfect Cell

Cell takes this but not that easily.

[PerfectFreeza]

Cell wins.Goku isn't all that ahead of his Cell Games counterpart, as stated by Piccolo.

[Kamiccolo9]

Cell wins.Goku isn't all that ahead of his Cell Games counterpart, as stated by Piccolo.

Where?

[PerfectFreeza]

SSJ2 Majin Vegeta is only ''perhaps even greater than Gohan against Cell''.
Piccolo: “[Vegeta]’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…But then…Even Gohan has been killed by Majin Boo…Why is Majin Boo as [strong?] as this?…”
Since he is equal to Goku, Goku's power as SSJ1 isn't all that greater than FPSSJ Kid Gohan.

[Kamiccolo9]

SSJ2 Majin Vegeta is only ''perhaps even greater than Gohan against Cell''.
Piccolo: “[Vegeta]’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…But then…Even Gohan has been killed by Majin Boo…Why is Majin Boo as [strong?] as this?…”
Since he is equal to Goku, Goku's power as SSJ1 isn't all that greater than FPSSJ Kid Gohan.

Ah, ok. Cool.

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ2 Majin Vegeta is only ''perhaps even greater than Gohan against Cell''.
Piccolo: “[Vegeta]’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…But then…Even Gohan has been killed by Majin Boo…Why is Majin Boo as [strong?] as this?…”
Since he is equal to Goku, Goku's power as SSJ1 isn't all that greater than FPSSJ Kid Gohan.

And how does this prove Goku hadn't progressed much? FPSSJ Gohan was stronger than Goku but we don't know how much stronger and we don't know how beneficial that rage boost was. Goku and Vegeta are subject to a 2x boost. Goku can be decently stronger than his Cell games self and this can all make sense.

[TheGmGoken]

GoTrunks(Fan made Potara fusion) vs Gogeta base

[TheMightyOzaru]

GoTrunks(Fan made Potara fusion) vs Gogeta base

Gogeta would win. I don't think Goten and Trunks would get said rival boost.

[PerfectFreeza]

Did he even have any rage boost?Nothing besides the Daizenshuu hints at him getting a rage boost.

[TheGmGoken]

Did he even have any rage boost?Nothing besides the Daizenshuu hints at him getting a rage boost.

The ending of Cell vs Gohan hints it. Gohan lose half of his power making him around his SSJ power. However he wasn't exactly SSJ power. If SSJ is 50x base.SSJ rage is 60x

[TheMightyOzaru]

Did he even have any rage boost?Nothing besides the Daizenshuu hints at him getting a rage boost.

The manga hints at it as well, besides do any need any other evidence?:

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…

[PerfectFreeza]

He could be reffering to Gohan's final push against Cell in the beam struggle though.
Goken, Gohan could have lost half of his SSJ2 power, making him halfway between his SSJ state and SSJ2 state.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He could be reffering to Gohan's final push against Cell in the beam struggle though.
Goken, Gohan could have lost half of his SSJ2 power, making him halfway between his SSJ state and SSJ2 state.

And? That's still Gohan's Cell games power level which is what Piccolo is comparing Vegeta to. Secondly, I don't believe the rage boost was a 1 time beam struggle thing.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Since he said when you "fought" Cell, I'd like to think he's just referring to Gohan when he turned Super Saiyan 2 and kicked his ass. I believe the rage boost maximizes his power.

[Draken]

I don't think when you're tired/injured you say "Oh man, I lost half my running power. I still have all my walking power and half my running power though!" I'm pretty sure it goes "Oh man, I lost half my power. In general."

Meaning Gohan lost half his power. In general.

[Saiga]

Cell notices Gohan's ki starting to increase as he gets angry, before turning into a Super Saiyan 2.

I think Goku is a fair bit stronger than Gohan, and since Gohan was a fair bit stronger than him, he progressed quite a bit to get there. I think he doubled in strength over the 7-year gap.

[RandomGuy96]

Doubling seems like overkill. Goku SS2 and Majin Vegeta are only "perhaps stronger" and "even stronger" than the Gohan that killed Cell, who's still talked about like he's a huge deal in the Buu Saga. That definitely doesn't imply a big gap, so unless you have a truly monstrous gap between Goku and Gohan at the Cell Games...

[Saiga]

Doubling seems like overkill. Goku SS2 and Majin Vegeta are only "perhaps stronger" and "even stronger" than the Gohan that killed Cell, who's still talked about like he's a huge deal in the Buu Saga. That definitely doesn't imply a big gap, so unless you have a truly monstrous gap between Goku and Gohan at the Cell Games...

It's only a large gap after Gohan's rage boost, which I do think he has (we clearly see later than SS2 was not the extent of his dormant power).

Cell Games Super Saiyan Goku: 20
Cell Games Super Saiyan Gohan: 25
Enraged Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 70
Boo arc Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 80

[RandomGuy96]

Ah. Well I don't have him gaining a rage boost on top of the transformation anymore, except maybe during the final beam struggle, and only for a split second while Cell was distracted and off guard.