The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:55 am

He actually hit and pushed down 3rd form Freeza with his Masenko though, unlike Piccolo, who tried strategies on Freeza.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:16 am

Vegeta(android Arc) vs #18(With no infinite stamina)

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Post by Draken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:56 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta(android Arc) vs #18(With no infinite stamina)
I see 18 still winning, durability, greater power.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:57 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta(android Arc) vs #18(With no infinite stamina)
18 should still win, unless Vegeta is able to pull off a highly amplified attack.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:57 am

18 still wins with durability and greater power, but the fight is much, much closer than it was before.

If you throw in Piccolo or Trunks though, or hell even Tien and Krillin with competence on, she's done.
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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:21 am

How about: SSJ Goku (no heart Virus), SSJ Vegeta (beginning of Android arc), Piccolo (fused with Kami) vs #17 & #18
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:26 am

I think that they'd win without much trouble. Vegeta + Piccolo + Trunks was considered too much for 18 to handle, and Vegeta himself was already a decent match for her until his stamina fell. Goku was basically equal to Vegeta and MUCH stronger than Trunks and Piccolo. Together, the two of them should definitely be able to manage something. I say she gets either IT Kamehameha'd or just knocked around like a volley ball due to being unable to counter both of their blows at the same time. Kamiccolo will fight 17 more or less how he did originally, only one of two things will happen that ensure victory: either he will use his Light Grenade on 17 instead of Cell, killing him, or 18 will be finished off quick enough that the two worn out Super Saiyans can be juuuuust enough to turn the fight in his favor, cancelling out 17's infinite stamina advantage.

Heck, with competence on, Goku alone should be able to take the androids no problem with Instant Transmission + Kienzan.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:28 am

The hero trio wins.Kamiccolo was already about equals with 17, so a well charged up ki blast(Light Grenade) will finish off the cyborg for good.
Goku and Vegeta vs. 18 will go like their fights against Metal-Cooler, only they will struggle less.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:47 am

Future Gohan(Base) vs Gohan(ROSAT before SSJ)

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Post by PerfectFreeza » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:18 am

Tough one.
If Future Gohan is 1 armed, then perhaps Kid Gohan can win.Skill wise, Kid Gohan should have the advantage, since he trained with Goku and Piccolo, while Future Gohan was solo-training or just with Kid Trunks, who has little to no skills, if I am not mistaken.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:26 am

Interesting, I always assumed Gohan was enraged when he pushed back 3rd form Freeza but now I think that was just his Zenkai being that much. I'm not sure if I'll put him above 2nd form Freeza just on that, does Piccolo really need to be made even more useless?
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:53 am

It was a rage boost. It's pretty absurd to suggest Gohan's BP landed in the millions.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:59 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:It was a rage boost. It's pretty absurd to suggest Gohan's BP landed in the millions.
Goku went from 90 thousand to 3 million. Vegeta went from 30 thousand to several hundred thousand. Why is it so absurd to think that Gohan got a high boost as well? Gohan was in control here, unlike his previous rage boosts where he just went crazy.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:45 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:It was a rage boost. It's pretty absurd to suggest Gohan's BP landed in the millions.
Goku went from 90 thousand to 3 million. Vegeta went from 30 thousand to several hundred thousand. Why is it so absurd to think that Gohan got a high boost as well? Gohan was in control here, unlike his previous rage boosts where he just went crazy.
I'm not suggesting a Zenkai of such caliber isn't possible, it's just that it doesn't make a lot of sense within the context of the story from my point of view. That and the V-Jump BPs for Cooler's Armored Squad would be completely wrong if that were the case :lol: .
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:52 pm

Gohan's Zenkai being that high is rather low in comparison to his other Saiyan counterparts.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:09 pm

Kid Buu wrote:How about: SSJ Goku (no heart Virus), SSJ Vegeta (beginning of Android arc), Piccolo (fused with Kami) vs #17 & #18
The trio take this. Piccolo takes on 17 while the Saiyans work together to defeat 18. Afterwards, the three team up against 17 and stomp him.
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I'm gonna say present Gohan, due to him probably having more training.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:39 pm

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Post by Dorexx » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:48 pm

Just thought about something that would've been amazing to see happen... What if at the 22nd TB, Jakcie Chun was set to fight against Ranfan?
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Dorexx wrote:Just thought about something that would've been amazing to see happen... What if at the 22nd TB, Jakcie Chun was set to fight against Ranfan?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:07 pm

Anime South Kaioshin (note: assume that all of the "Kid Buu > Buuhan" statements don't exist) vs Manga Mr.Buu.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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