Things that grind your gears

[Nejishiki]

Unified terminology is beneficial to the community. I have minor issues with it, too since I've lived through this before. It can be a headache settling what everyone is talking about before we can finally engage discussion on equal grounds. What's happening now isn't as bothersome. The proper noun environment is healthier and we're hardly dealing with the "multiple translations attack". That's troublesome what with accounting for various interpretations a few members are following instead of the main source. For the most part, we all understand each other's references and that's ultimately important in the end. It still creates unpleasant flashbacks on my end should the slope slip.

[Ki Breaker]

Don't remember posting in here..here goes
• It's not a discussion, nobody discusses Dragonball, everyone argues about their interpretation and totally try to negate every other perspective..

• honestly, as super was going on in future trunks arc, it was giving the feel it was surpassing z for me..
Now that it's over, once again z took the spot back like it does with every other anime I watch, z sticks around, other's, don't matter how good they are. Sadly super fell into the same category..
It still can be saved if Gohan and people except goku and Vegeta does things which satisfies the emotions..
No longer want the technical bullshit of them doing things.. ya trunks killed Zamasu technically, but was it satisfying, hell no..

* Them not letting Toyotaro Handel the fight scenes choreography and some dialogues via his manga being weekly and not promotional..
Super would be so much better it's unbelievable

* toie managing to fuck up all the time.. everything Dragonball related they touch turn to shit..

* Toriyama not willingly getting more involved ( though i don't know what he is doing, but if he was more involved they would at least mention it )..
If I had great ideas in my mind of my series which is total legendary and someone is straight up making those ideas go batshit insanely wrong and giving questionable animation I would step up and stop writing..
( animation experts , please, don't step up as a white knights defending animation, no matter why it's like that, it's still poor in a lot of aspects )
Why should a writer let his probably last legit Dragonball story in a large scale go to shit.


Lastly I am thankful the manga exists and it's not a complete bad experience of Dragonball

P.S. I am aware of the many holes that would prevent some of these form happening, but it's not about technical bullshit anymore.. it's either I like it or I don't

[Jinzoningen MULE]

• It's not a discussion, nobody discusses Dragonball, everyone argues about their interpretation and totally try to negate every other perspective.

On the contrary, it's just that every time there's an argument, all of the cowardly omegas come out of the woodwork and decide they'll try to shut down the conversation by claiming you're attacking their right to have opinions. It's basically the internet version of pouting and holding their breath, no one is actually trying to destroy others' opinions. By the way, arguments are discussions.

[Doctor.]

Resurrection F's entire existence gives me an aneurysm every time I remember something about it.

[Ki Breaker]

• It's not a discussion, nobody discusses Dragonball, everyone argues about their interpretation and totally try to negate every other perspective.

On the contrary, it's just that every time there's an argument, all of the cowardly omegas come out of the woodwork and decide they'll try to shut down the conversation by claiming you're attacking their right to have opinions. It's basically the internet version of pouting and holding their breath, no one is actually trying to destroy others' opinions. By the way, arguments are discussions.

I am sure you have an idea what I wanted to say.. I am basically saying it's never a healthy discussion, it's the internet warriors you talked about that I was bashing too, trying to shut down every opinion by thinking form their perspective alone.. if that makes sense..
Literally saying the same thing here

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Resurrection F's entire existence gives me an aneurysm every time I remember something about it.

It was fun enough for me, although it baffles me how many fans will rush to white knight (the movie, at least) every time it faces even minor criticism.

[Doctor.]

Resurrection F's entire existence gives me an aneurysm every time I remember something about it.

It was fun enough for me, although it baffles me how many fans will rush to white knight (the movie, at least) every time it faces even minor criticism.

F and BoG. It's like they're sacred or something and you can't criticize them. BoG I don't mind so much, because it's a legitimely good and well-written film, F on the other hand...

[Lord Beerus]

Resurrection F's entire existence gives me an aneurysm every time I remember something about it.

It was fun enough for me, although it baffles me how many fans will rush to white knight (the movie, at least) every time it faces even minor criticism.

F and BoG. It's like they're sacred or something and you can't criticize them. BoG I don't mind so much, because it's a legitimely good and well-written film, F on the other hand...

As much as I love BOG and ROF, I'll be last person to throw a fit at any criticism directed as those films. They both have issues, even more-so with Resurrection F. Still my favourite films in the franchise.

[Robo4900]

• People nitpicking about the Ocean dub naming scheme. Specifically, saying that the Westwood era was a completely different dub which had nothing to do with the original Ocean dub, and the only similarity is that they just so happened to use the same voice actors. Not only is this a nitpick at best, but it's not even correct. It was produced by a different company, but as with before, the scripts were written by Funimation, there was a replacement score(Yes, different composers, but you could say the same about the DBZ remastered US score 1-67 vs 68-291), it was the same actors(Some were recast, but most stayed), it even used almost identical visuals for the opening. The only real difference is in budget and which companies were financing it. In what way isn't it just a continuation of the original Ocean dub?
• Constant DBS spoilers literally everywhere. This isn't a jab at anyone in particular, but everywhere I go, there's spoilers wall-to-wall in video titles and thumbnails, Reddit posts, thread names, etc. I personally would rather go into each episode knowing nothing more than the episode title.
• People getting all concerned about canon all the time. You want continuity errors? The in-universe time between the first and second wish on the Dragon Balls in the series was 8 months.
• People not giving OG Dragon Ball a chance. It's where the show began. If you have time for Super, you have time to at least give that first 13-episode arc of Dragon Ball a look. There's a reason it ran for 153 episodes, and spawned 3 sequel shows.
• GT constantly being used as a punching bag. It was beautifully animated, the music was incredible, it was fun, and it was basically a 64-episode victory lap for the franchise back in '97. Hmm... Fun, broadly action in the genre, looks really nice, has a great soundtrack... That reminds me of something.
• People not giving GT a proper chance. Ask someone from the UK or Canada for their thoughts on GT, and they'll probably say it was okay, but not great. Ask someone from the US, and they'll almost certainly say it was total rubbish(Or garbage, as the case may be). Why this disparity? Because the US version was awful. The UK and Canada got a different dub of GT using the original music, the full 64-episode run, and actually embraced the sentimental, fun atmosphere. Of course, with all this hate being spewed at GT from the US, people nowadays tend to go in biased against it, giving it no real chance. In other words, you think you know GT? You don't know GT.

Really, these are only minor gripes I can do nothing about, but I must say, it feels good to get them off my chest.

[SaiyanGod117]

People saying since Dragon Ball isn't complex, it's not good.

[Ki Breaker]

People saying since Dragon Ball isn't complex, it's not good.

They say that, must have never saw the show..
It takes interest to see the elements of poison and the dark stuff that pass through while still remaining a show which is not planned for a century ahead..

That's why it managed to please so many people worldwide, it's a show which everyone can relate to because of all the small things which pleases each individual..

I say it's an emotionally complex show nicely covered up by the simplenss of writing

[Kanassa]

People not giving OG Dragon Ball a chance. It's where the show began. If you have time for Super, you have time to at least give that first 13-episode arc of Dragon Ball a look. There's a reason it ran for 153 episodes, and spawned 3 sequel shows.

What's wrong with people not wanting to watch OG DragonBall?

[*]GT constantly being used as a punching bag. It was beautifully animated, the music was incredible, it was fun, and it was basically a 64-episode victory lap for the franchise back in '97. Hmm... Fun, broadly action in the genre, looks really nice, has a great soundtrack... That reminds me of something.

You say it as if that's an indesputable fact

[Jinzoningen MULE]

What's wrong with people not wanting to watch OG Dragon Ball?

Nothing's wrong with it per se, it's just dumb. You don't start Naruto with Shippuden, you don't start The Walking Dead on Season 4, you don't watch Dexter from Season 5. Viewing the Z era material and onward exclusively is just a ridiculous notion.

[Doctor.]

The surprisingly common elitism coming from some of the fans who claim that Z is absolutely garbage and only the original Dragon Ball is worth a damn and Z ruined it, despite the split being almost completely arbitrary.

[sintzu]

Nothing's wrong with it per se, it's just dumb. You don't start Naruto with Shippuden, you don't start The Walking Dead on Season 4, you don't watch Dexter from Season 5. Viewing the Z era material and onward exclusively is just a ridiculous notion.

Those shows you mentioned are more connected with each other compared to DB and Z so fans can watch Z on its own but I do think they should at some point go back and watch DB.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The surprisingly common elitism coming from some of the fans who claim that Z is absolutely garbage and only the original Dragon Ball is worth a damn and Z ruined it, despite the split being almost completely arbitrary.

I'm split on this issue. Sure, the split is arbitrary, but ending a series after the 23rd Budokai actually rounds things off remarkably well. And yeah, other than the Saiyan Arc, the Z era was pretty much a universally huge step down in terms of narrative quality. I'd say it's a fair opinion, although many who profess it tend to be those edgy types.

Those shows you mentioned are more connected with each other compared to DB and Z so fans can watch Z on its own but I do think they should at some point go back and watch DB.

Nope. I specifically chose those shows and season numbers because there was a notable disconnect at that point. Any notable disconnect at the DB/Z intersection are merely a result of the style of writing that Toriyama had adhered to, and the line could have been drawn between any story arc other than Saiyan/Namek and Piccolo/23rd Budokai.

[Doctor.]

I'm split on this issue. Sure, the split is arbitrary, but ending a series after the 23rd Budokai actually rounds things off remarkably well. And yeah, other than the Saiyan Arc, the Z era was pretty much a universally huge step down in terms of narrative quality. I'd say it's a fair opinion, although many who profess it tend to be those edgy types.

I think both the Saiyan and the Freeza arc are a huge step up in terms of quality than anything part 1 has ever showcased. Dismissing part 2 as "ruining" the series just because the Cell and Boo arcs are a mess (especially when many arcs in part 1 are a mess as well) is just being unecessarily elitist.

[SaiyanGod117]

How is the split arbitrary?

[sintzu]

The line could have been drawn between any story arc other than Saiyan/Namek and Piccolo/23rd Budokai.

The Piccolo Jr arc is the only one that gives the original DB an ending feel to it cause the other 5 arcs all ended on a cliffhanger.

Z is without a doubt a continuation to the original but the Saiyan arc feels like a soft reboot, weather that was intended or not is anyone's guess but considaring Toriyama's editor changed after the Piccolo arc, I'll say it was intended.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think both the Saiyan and the Freeza arc are a huge step up in terms of quality than anything part 1 has ever showcased. Dismissing part 2 as "ruining" the series just because the Cell and Boo arcs are a mess (especially when many arcs in part 1 are a mess as well) is just being unecessarily elitist.

The Saiyan Arc I could see, but the Freeza Arc has horrible problems. The Freeza fight literally takes up almost half of the arc. Freeza's build-up shamelessly collapses under its own weight, the Super Saiyan contrivance has its origin during the Ginyu fight. The villain progression is far too video game-like. People give Vegeta credit for being such a genius here, but in reality, most of his success comes from the stupidity of Freeza and his men. Every single interesting technique or transformation was a total ass-pull. In fact, thinking about it now, the Freeza Arc has a similar problem to DBS's Future Trunks Arc; The character arcs are fantastic, but the interconnecting narrative material falls flat most of the time.

How is the split arbitrary?

It's arbitrary in that there's no substantial change from the last episode of DB to the first episode of DBZ.

The Piccolo Jr arc is the only one that gives the original DB an ending feel to it cause the other 5 arcs all ended on a cliffhanger.

The Piccolo Jr. Arc ended on every bit the cliffhanger that the Pilaf, 21st Budokai, Baba Arc, and 22nd Budokai ended on. I think you're remembering things selectively.

Z is without a doubt a continuation to the original but the Saiyan arc feels like a soft reboot, weather that was intended or not is anyone's guess but considaring Toriyama's editor changed after the Piccolo arc, I'll say it was intended.

I guess this is more a matter of opinion, but I obviously disagree. Toriyama used a different arc structure for this one, giving the main characters a year to prepare for the threat, as well as putting the main hero and (ex)-villain in peculiar situations, but that's hardly a reason to split a series without any immediate significant change to the cast or storytelling techniques.