Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:51 am

It's what I expected. Meh.

biohazard · Post by **biohazard** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:52 am

Toei have already done a perfect edition of the entire series: the Dragon Boxes, later released in single format. Funimation never did such a thing.

This gives Toei the right to remix the series as they please because Toei treated DB as it deserved in the past.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:52 am

Ah, ok. I didn't start FAITHFULLY watching the series in Japanese until the Season Sets came along. Which lack the Next Episode previews. Am I correct in thinking the Singles HAD them? I'm not really sure since if they did I would just skip by anyway.

biohazard wrote:This gives Toei the right to remix the series as they please because Toei treated DB as it deserved in the past.

The footage, yes. But not the music. Kikuchi's Score NEEDS to be left in tact. Before I converted to a fan of the JP Music I had to endure flames about how the music is part of the spirit of the Anime and changing it is blasphemy. If Toei changes it and gets a pass from those same fans, I'll be pissed off.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:00 am

There's nothing wrong with updating the music OR the footage as long as it's done well, but so far it just looks like a slightly better remastering job than FUNimations. Nothing to have a heart attack about.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:01 am

Gozar wrote:The footage, yes. But not the music. Kikuchi's Score NEEDS to be left in tact. Before I converted to a fan of the JP Music I had to endure flames about how the music is part of the spirit of the Anime and changing it is blasphemy. If Toei changes it and gets a pass from those same fans, I'll be pissed off.

If Funimation had changed the music to something that fit the spirit and flow and just worked in general, people wouldn't have complained as much. If Toei changes the music to something that works, we'll be happy. If they change it to something that doesn't, we won't. It's as simple as that.

So far we only know that the BGM is being ' newly recorded', which could mean the old music re-recorded or new music entirely.

Like I said, I'll have to wait and hear the music before I can place judgment.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:02 am

As I've said before numerous times, cropping stopped bothering me long ago. It was Orange Brick Season 2's colors that bothered me. Saying that, the cropping doesn't bother me and the fact that they're being very selective about how a frame is cropped to keep all the important stuff in really helps their case here.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:03 am

It's not really about the colors but rather how the picture quality will look. A Trailer posted on YouTube is not sufficient basis of it. So we'll have to wait and see. As for the music, it doesn't need to be updated. Look at Lupin III, that franchise has been using Yuji Ohno's Jazz Score since 1977.

Bussani wrote:If Funimation had changed the music to something that fit the spirit and flow and just worked in general, people wouldn't have complained as much. If Toei changes the music to something that works, we'll be happy. If they change it to something that doesn't, we won't.

Problem is, because it's Toei and not Funimation, people are going to be more bias to want to like and enjoy it. I don't think it'll get a proper reviewing as opposed to if FUNi did the exact same thing.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:05 am

If it's an upgrade why not. If it's not, then yeah I agree. But I believe the music could be better.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:09 am

JAPPO wrote:If it's an upgrade why not. If it's not, then yeah I agree. But I believe the music could be better.

That's where my problem arises. Dubs fans have been bashed for feeling Faulconer's Score is an upgrade. Music is so subjective, I just don't want a changed musical score in Kai to be swept under the rug like it's nothing after all the hell with Faulconer, Menza, & Johnson.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:10 am

Gozar wrote:Problem is, because it's Toei and not Funimation, people are going to be more bias to want to like and enjoy it. I don't think it'll get a proper reviewing as opposed to if FUNi did the exact same thing.

I don't mean to be rude to them, but reviewers like that are dumbasses. I can guarantee Mike and the other Podcast crew will review it fairly, at least. I like to think I will too; personally I really enjoy the Orange Bricks, but I guess I'm easy to please.

Edit:

Gozar wrote:
JAPPO wrote:If it's an upgrade why not. If it's not, then yeah I agree. But I believe the music could be better.
That's where my problem arises. Dubs fans have been bashed for feeling Faulconer's Score is an upgrade. Music is so subjective, I just don't want a changed musical score in Kai to be swept under the rug like it's nothing after all the hell with Faulconer, Menza, & Johnson.

If it's good then I don't know how much someone could say about it?

"The new music is great and works as well as or better than the original music. But we should note that it's different, they changed it, thus we hate it."

Extreme example, but yeah. If there's nothing bad to say about it, what can you do? It's not like anyone will pretend that the music didn't change, but we can't say bad things about it just because it's different.

If anyone disliked the Funi music just because it wasn't the original music, then that's just dumb. I mean, it might have been more valid back in the day Funi didn't offer the Japanese music at all? But yeah.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:14 am

Subbed Dragonball Kai trailer by me and a couple of online friends;

Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCzWhhOi90Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCzWhhOi90Q&fmt=22

HD trailer:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qmjbqd

SD trailer:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pggv2u

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:16 am

Bussani wrote:
Gozar wrote:Problem is, because it's Toei and not Funimation, people are going to be more bias to want to like and enjoy it. I don't think it'll get a proper reviewing as opposed to if FUNi did the exact same thing.
I don't mean to be rude to them, but reviewers like that are dumbasses. I can guarantee Mike and the other Podcast crew will review it fairly, at least. I like to think I will too; personally I really enjoy the Orange Bricks, but I guess I'm easy to please.

I think just about every DragonBall Fan around is bias in one way or another. Mike is no exception, I mean it's like pulling teeth sometimes on the podcast for him to say something remotely nice about the Dub.

People, him included will either be bias to accept it because it's new and fresh or bias against it because it's different. We're all like that a little bit, it's not a bad thing. Just human nature. All I'm trying to get across here is, I don't want people to so easily accept it soley in the fact that it's from Japan.

ChibiGoku · Post by **ChibiGoku** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:18 am

sangofe wrote:Subbed Dragonball Kai trailer by me and a couple of online friends;

Heh. You beat me to it.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:18 am

Nice job sangofe!

'Sharper clearer version'. That probably means the quality of this commercial isn't what the final footage will look like.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:19 am

Thanks a ton for the Sub.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:30 am

I found interesting news.
There is an idol group going to release their debut single CD "Romantic Ageruyo"(cover) in April.
http://www.universal-music.co.jp/sherry/

DB related song being released in April....
I'm not sure that this will be the closing song for DB Kai, but it seems that we should keep this in our mind at least.

Edit:
They used artists from the same record company for the endings of "Gegege No Kitarou" being aired in the same time as DB Kai now.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:31 am

kei17 wrote:I found interesting news.
There is an idol group going to release their debut single CD "Romantic Ageruyo"(cover) in April.
http://www.universal-music.co.jp/sherry/

DB related song being released in April....
I'm not sure that this will be the closing song for DB Kai, but it seems that we should keep this in our mind at least.

Interesting thought Kei!

...Also, sweet avatar.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:33 am

I'm personally thinking the new colors are beautiful. I like it. I really feel like they're gearing it to look like the special. Which (in my fantasy world) makes me think they're testing the waters for the potential of a new series or something... since they want it to match up with the newer colors you see in the newer animation and have it in HD and cleaner, etc.

Re-framing it makes a bigger difference than you'd think. It will up the quality of a crop compared to something awkwardly cropped by FUni ten fold.

But yeah, if the music is changed (or at least changed to something bad) then I am not going to be as happy with it.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:53 am

kei17 wrote:I found interesting news.
There is an idol group going to release their debut single CD "Romantic Ageruyo"(cover) in April.
http://www.universal-music.co.jp/sherry/

DB related song being released in April....
I'm not sure that this will be the closing song for DB Kai, but it seems that we should keep this in our mind at least.

Edit:
They used artists from the same record company for the endings of "Gegege No Kitarou" being aired in the same time as DB Kai now.

Slightly off topic kei, you've got pm!

Bussani wrote:Nice job sangofe!

'Sharper clearer version'. That probably means the quality of this commercial isn't what the final footage will look like.

I think it's referring to DBZ.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:40 am

Gozar wrote:I've got to say guys, I'm worried about hypocrisy...We have yet to see any confirmation as to whether the widescreen footage will be cropped in any way. In addition we have no knowledge of if they'll be sticking with Kikuchi's Musical Score. This leads me to worry about hypocrisy. For years Dub fans have had to endure bashing for enjoying Faulconer's music. Not necessarily because of it's genre but rather the non-subjective route of "It's not the way it was meant to be". As for the widescreen, we all know the hell that spawed once that first Trailer for the remastered sets came out.

I just don't want people to suddenly accept stuff that was unacceptable from Funimation just because this comes from Japan. I used to be a fan of the Dub Music and I support the Season Sets even though I'd prefer it be 4:3...After all the time I spent debating these things it'd be ridiculous for the same people who opposed me to jump for joy when Toei does similar things.

I said it during the last podcast, and I'll say it again:

This doesn't get a free pass just because it's Japanese.

Gozar wrote:I think just about every DragonBall Fan around is bias in one way or another. Mike is no exception, I mean it's like pulling teeth sometimes on the podcast for him to say something remotely nice about the Dub.

Legitimately thinking that a certain product is terrible doesn't inherently mean "bias".