The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:11 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Anime South Kaioshin (note: assume that all of the "Kid Buu > Buuhan" statements don't exist) vs Manga Mr.Buu.
I'm guessing Mr. Buu. In the anime, I don't think South Kaioshin demonstrated any aptitude for ki-based attacks, leading me to believe that his power came mostly from physical strength. So he could beat up on Buu all he wanted, but Buu could just regenerate. South Kaioshin is strong enough to wear Buu down, IMO, but in the time it would take him to do so, Buu would just turn him into a cookie, or possibly absorb him, if Mr. Buu is capable of doing so.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Not aptitude, but there's no reason he couldn't just throw a big ki blast if he wanted to. He at least demonstrated that he could use energy balls.

I just think that Mr.Buu is slightly stronger than him, and combined with his infinite stamina and regeneration, could probably win unless South Kaioshin hits him with an amplified. Though, since Buu has the same option available to him, and can still regenerate if the attack isn't powerful enough, I'll go with him.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:38 pm

Goku vs Vegeta - Eating Contest.

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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:24 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Goku vs Vegeta - Eating Contest.
Vegeta wins but whines for 34343 episodes that Goku's food was cooked better.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:46 pm

Goku would win an eating contest.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:20 am

I think I got a hard one.

GOku Jr(Who I honestly have weaker than Saiyan Saga holding back Goku which is 5,000) vs Tarble and Raditz

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:37 pm

Goku Jr takes this if he can haz SSJ.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:08 pm

King Piccolo would ROFLstomp Goku Jr, Super Saiyan or no (assuming this is after he first transformed, we have no idea what his power is after). Throwing Raditz at the kid is just cruel.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:27 pm

Yeah, I forgot to ask, is this Goku Jr in the GT Movie or is Goku Jr at the Budokai? If it's Goku in the GT special, Goku gets ROFLstomped by Raditz.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:38 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:King Piccolo would ROFLstomp Goku Jr, Super Saiyan or no (assuming this is after he first transformed, we have no idea what his power is after). Throwing Raditz at the kid is just cruel.
Goku Jr only needs to have a power level of 40 to have a power level of 2000 in SSJ form. So with SSJ we would beat King Piccolo and maybe even Radditz.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:39 pm

He was getting beaten up by normal human bullies, so his power level was likely far below 5.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:44 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:He was getting beaten up by normal human bullies, so his power level was likely far below 5.
Gohan as a kid would also get beaten by bullies if bullies ever messed with him. He only actually let out its true power in any significant way in extreme cases.

Goku Jr seems to be exactly like that, with SSJ to top it off. So, giving him a minimum of 40 base power in a extreme situation, multiplied by 50 due to the SSJ form, doesn't seem forced at all. It would probably be higher actually.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:26 pm

rereboy wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:King Piccolo would ROFLstomp Goku Jr, Super Saiyan or no (assuming this is after he first transformed, we have no idea what his power is after). Throwing Raditz at the kid is just cruel.
Goku Jr only needs to have a power level of 40 to have a power level of 2000 in SSJ form. So with SSJ we would beat King Piccolo and maybe even Radditz.
Yeah but who's the better fighter. King Piccolo and Raditz. Maybe Tarble would lose. But I'm sure King and Raditz will win. From what the movie and the last episode showed. Goku Jr doesn't use a lot of ki. Maybe Kiai. But can someone die from being kiaied to death? I have King Piccolo and Raditz beating Goku Jr in this

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:33 pm

King Piccolo only has like 300 in power level at most. With 2000 in power level, it wouldn't matter that he has more experience and technique than Goku Jr.

Radditz on the other hand, since 2000 is not that far off from Radditz's power, could win. But its not certain. After all, a single blow of a younger kid with less power and even less technique and experience, almost defeated him (I'm talking about Gohan).

And this is assuming that Goku Jr in a extreme situation can truly only achieve a power level of 40 in his base. Even if he managed 60, thanks to his SSJ, his top power would be 3000.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:54 pm

a younger kid with less power and even less technique and experience, almost defeated him(I'm talking about Gohan).
Who else would you be talking about :eh: ?

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Post by rereboy » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:59 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
a younger kid with less power and even less technique and experience, almost defeated him(I'm talking about Gohan).
Who else would you be talking about :eh: ?
Well, forgive me for wanting to be absolutely clear :|

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:23 pm

I haven't seen the GT special in a long time, but did Goku Jr. do anything in base that, say, Mr. Satan couldn't do? I don't remember him ever being particularly impressive.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:28 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I haven't seen the GT special in a long time, but did Goku Jr. do anything in base that, say, Mr. Satan couldn't do? I don't remember him ever being particularly impressive.
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Post by Mjb1985 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:08 pm

Android 19 vs Yakon

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:05 pm

Yakon kind of sucks. He doesn't even have energy attacks or flight. So, despite the fact that I think he and 19 are equals in power, 19 stomps.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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