Doesn't appear 19 would be able to steal any ki from Yakon considering Yakon doesn't appear to have any ki attacks. And putting your hands on Yakkon other than to punch or kick him seems to be the only method of touching this guy. He has too many weapons to want to grapple with him.
This could be interesting. But you'd think 19 and his computer programming would have some efficient battle techniques.
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Yakon wins easy.
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What makes you say that?
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The 800 vs 3,000 Kiris thing. Goku may not have been at full power but whatever he was at, Yakon was 3.75x weaker. I only have C-19 at 90,000,000 and I'm fairly certain Goku's BP was higher than 337,500,000 when he went SSJ against Yakon. I personally have Yakon at 640,000,000.
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Oh ok. Yea you are like me. I'm still on the edge for the Freeza vs Base Saiyans stuff.
I think Goku could be at full power against Yakkon. Dabura mentions how raw strength alone can't defeat him as well as Badibi's concern for Dabura happens as well.
I think Goku could be at full power against Yakkon. Dabura mentions how raw strength alone can't defeat him as well as Badibi's concern for Dabura happens as well.
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The fight with base Goku, and Gohan's comments, would really contradict Yakon being that strong. Yakon is only base Goku level. And Goku's full power being 3,000 kiris would obviously mean that Dabura is stronger than that, since he takes on that guy and two other guys of similar strength all at once with full confidence that he'll demolish him, which I don't think you believe (I do; he's a 6 to Buu Saga SS Goku's 5).
Android 19 just stays up and blasts him with energy attacks. He keeps going until Yakon dies. There's not a lot Yakon can do to resist. He doesn't have flight, mouth blasts, or really anything besides melee attacks. A better question is, who CAN he beat?
Android 19 just stays up and blasts him with energy attacks. He keeps going until Yakon dies. There's not a lot Yakon can do to resist. He doesn't have flight, mouth blasts, or really anything besides melee attacks. A better question is, who CAN he beat?
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I think Goku and Gohan can put energy from their SSJ forms into their base forms without completely transforming. Once they hit 10x base they'll transform because I feel the rested state is 10x base.
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... What? How? Why?TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Goku and Gohan can put energy from their SSJ forms into their base forms without completely transforming. Once they hit 10x base they'll transform because I feel the rested state is 10x base.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Why not? They mastered SSJ so I would imagine they can access any amount without transforming if he uses only a little of it. In the anime we see it's quite possible for Goku to do this.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... What? How? Why?TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Goku and Gohan can put energy from their SSJ forms into their base forms without completely transforming. Once they hit 10x base they'll transform because I feel the rested state is 10x base.
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There is not even a hint for that in the manga, or any guidebook.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why not? They mastered SSJ so I would imagine they can access any amount without transforming if he uses only a little of it.
When did that happen?TheMightyOzaru wrote:In the anime we see it's quite possible for Goku to do this.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It happens here:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is not even a hint for that in the manga, or any guidebook.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why not? They mastered SSJ so I would imagine they can access any amount without transforming if he uses only a little of it.
When did that happen?TheMightyOzaru wrote:In the anime we see it's quite possible for Goku to do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcEvG3rvl0
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I also like having every one of Babidi's warrior bar Dabura weaker than Freeza. Yakon is 90,000,000, Pui Pui is 800,000. The mystery fighters on levels 2 and 3 are 1,200,000 and 2,500,000 respectively (they probably have a gimmick too). Dabura is of course much stronger at 6,000,000,000.
And yeah, that's one weird and baseless theory.
And yeah, that's one weird and baseless theory.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Except it's not, at least from the anime perspective.RandomGuy96 wrote:I also like having every one of Babidi's warrior bar Dabura weaker than Freeza. Yakon is 90,000,000, Pui Pui is 800,000.
And yeah, that's one weird and baseless theory.
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Wasn't that just an animation error? I seem to remember that the previews of that episode showed him as a SSJ.
Why would he need to use any of his SSJ strength to fight the Ginyus, anyway?
Why would he need to use any of his SSJ strength to fight the Ginyus, anyway?
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I think they had intended for him to be a SSJ but then decided to reveal SSJ when fighting Paikuhan.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Wasn't that just an animation error? I seem to remember that the previews of that episode showed him as a SSJ.
Why would he need to use any of his SSJ strength to fight the Ginyus, anyway?
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Because these Toei-haxxed Ginyus have been training, and are so strong that Freeza was in awe that Goku's improved so much when he beat them.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Wasn't that just an animation error? I seem to remember that the previews of that episode showed him as a SSJ.
Why would he need to use any of his SSJ strength to fight the Ginyus, anyway?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Seriously? They intended to make him Super Saiyan originally, but decided on the last minute that they should make him in base. This is exactly like with Ultimate Gohan in Battle of Gods. Do you believe that Ultimate Gohan is as strong as Super Saiyan Gohan because he was a Super Saiyan in the preview? It's exactly the same case.TheMightyOzaru wrote:It happens here:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is not even a hint for that in the manga, or any guidebook.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Why not? They mastered SSJ so I would imagine they can access any amount without transforming if he uses only a little of it.
When did that happen?TheMightyOzaru wrote:In the anime we see it's quite possible for Goku to do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcEvG3rvl0
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I don't see how it's the same . Whether they had plans to make him a SSJ or not doesn't change the fact that he used some of his SSJ energy in his base form. Even without that, SSJ is still just hidden energy that, at this point, Goku has mastered. Why couldn't he use some of it without transforming?
EDIT, I think I found a way for this to work, Maybe Kiris translate to power levels by factors of 10. For instance maybe Goku could have a Kiri difference of 3.75 times yet have a BP difference of 37.5 times. Could that work?
. Whether they had plans to make him a SSJ or not doesn't change the fact that he used some of his SSJ energy in his base form. Even without that, SSJ is still just hidden energy that, at this point, Goku has mastered. Why couldn't he use some of it without transforming?EDIT, I think I found a way for this to work, Maybe Kiris translate to power levels by factors of 10. For instance maybe Goku could have a Kiri difference of 3.75 times yet have a BP difference of 37.5 times. Could that work?
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It's exactly the same. They make Goku a Super Saiyan in the preview, they re-color him in base in the actual episode. They make Gohan a Super Saiyan in the preview, they re-color him in Ultimate in the actual movie.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I guess what one way of looking at it is in the movie they actually changed the aura. In the filler he had the SSJ aura.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's exactly the same. They make Goku a Super Saiyan in the preview, they re-color him in base in the actual episode. They make Gohan a Super Saiyan in the preview, they re-color him in Ultimate in the actual movie.