The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's not the first time we see a golden aura in base Goku (when Ginyu had Goku's body). Maybe it was too hard for them to re-color the aura? Anime weren't digitally made back then.

Toei just did a half-assed job. If Goku can use his Super Saiyan power in base, there would be an implication, a statement, a hint. Yet, we got none of these.

[RandomGuy96]

Yep. None at all. I mean what's the point really? To make the kiri numbers add up? We don't even know which scale those go on. Why would Yakon even be stronger than Freeza in the first place? Why can't Goku just not be at full power in that instance?

[Mjb1985]

Kiri numbers don't mean squat imo

[PerfectFreeza]

Hirudegarn vs. Final Form Janemba.
How will that go?
The writer of the movies said the newer villain always was stronger, so Hirudegarn must be stronger than Janemba.

[RandomGuy96]

Janemba creates another Hirudegarn to kill this Hirudegarn.

[PerfectFreeza]

He couldn't do that against Gogeta though.
It seems to me, that when he is overpowered, his skills are useless.

[RandomGuy96]

He didn't try to do it. In theory Janemba's abilities are powerful enough to beat any Dragon Ball character. Didn't he cut through reality with his sword as well? It should be able to cut anything.

[PerfectFreeza]

Probably because it would be useless IMO.
He slashed energy beams at Goku I think.

[RandomGuy96]

There's no real reason it would be. Ways this fight goes:

Janemba creates a clone of Hirudegarn, who kills the original.

Janemba materializes a sword that can through dimensions like butter and uses it to cut right through Hirudegarn.

Janemba materializes a portal whenever Hirudegarn tries to attack. It redirects Hirudegarn's attack right at him. Gigantic target.

Janemba seemingly becomes intangible and phases through dimensions to dodge everything Hirudegarn throws at him.

Janemba traps Hirudegarn in Hell.

Janemba resurrects someone who can beat Hirudegarn by cutting through dimensions and reviving him from hell.

Janemba uses his reality warping and transmutation to turn Hirudegarn into a jelly bean.

Janemba changes Hirudegarn into a mini-Janemba.

Janemba just outright overpowers Hirudegarn, as he kicked around Toei haxxed Goku while Hirudegarn wasn't that much stronger than him.

Really, that such a powerful and godlike being lost to a stupid fused saiyan in SECONDS is just a load of crap.

[PerfectFreeza]

Janemba never did the same against Gogeta.
Hildegarn can also become intangible, so they are even.
All of those feats you listed never were useful against Gogeta or are just a side effect of his existence.Heck, he couldn't even defeat SSJ3 Goku as fat, meaning his powers are probably useless, when against a much stronger enemy.
Goku was just slightly stronger.There is no huge Toei hax in M12.
M13 Goku is more likely to be haxed and he beat probably weakened Hildegarn with a skill, that raises his ki to extreme levels.
Just shows feats in movies don't matter, since the attack, that killed Broly, didn't bust the sun.

[RandomGuy96]

They weren't useless, he just never tried to use them. He tried to punch Gogeta and nothing else; he didn't think to materialize another sword or cover himself in portals or make a clone of Gogeta or anything. But Janemba has the power of creation, can cut through anything, wills things out of existence, and can transmutate things as well as become intangible. He can't lose this.

Why would it bust the sun?

[TheGmGoken]

Zangya Vs Pui Pui
and
Android 16 vs 17 and 18

[RandomGuy96]

Zangya doesn't even notice Pui Pui attacking and accidentally kills him when flaring her aura.

16 vs 17 and 18 goes exactly like Imperfect Cell vs Kamiccolo and 17... no, worse actually, since neither of them can amplify ki and 18 is weaker than Kamiccolo, so instead of "hardly taking damage", 16 will take no damage at all. He walks through their attacks like air and swats them like flies.

Why post such obvious curbstomps?

[PerfectFreeza]

They probably were.Goku knew his skills and knew the fusion will do the job, meaning the skills are probably useless against a much stronger foe-
He can't warp things out of existence.Hildegarn also can become intangible.
It was stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan's attack and that attack overpowered SPC's Solar Kamehameha.
EDIT:Zangya shreds him apart.
16 also shreds the brats apart.

[RandomGuy96]

They probably were.Goku knew his skills and knew the fusion will do the job, meaning the skills are probably useless against a much stronger foe-
He can't warp things out of existence.Hildegarn also can become intangible.
It was stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan's attack and that attack overpowered SPC's Solar Kamehameha

That still doesn't prove anything. There is no reason that Gogeta would be able to survive his own attack when Janemba warps it to him, or be able to Janemba when he's intangible, or survive a fight with an exact clone of himself, or survive a sword that cut through REALITY. So yeah, barring MASSIVE PIS, Janemba stomps so hard.... I mean jesus, he can just cover himself in portals and make Hirudegarn KO himself.

P.S. he can will things he creates out of existence, as evidence by that clone. Oh, that's another thing, he has the power of creation.

How does that have anything to do with blowing up the sun?

[TheGmGoken]

Android 13,14 and 15(Yes they may fuse) vs Android 18,17, and 16

[RandomGuy96]

Again, why post such an obvious curbstomp? Even if they fuse, Super 13 was budging from punches from Kamiccolo and failed to one-shot any of the heroes while Cell walked through Kamiccolo's heavily amplified blast like air and broke his neck with one punch. 16 had the upper hand against that guy. He ROFLSTOMPS Super 13. If they can't fuse- or if the team acts with a bit of common sense- 17 and 18 can take this alone.

[TheGmGoken]

Again, why post such an obvious curbstomp? Even if they fuse, Super 13 was budging from punches from Kamiccolo and failed to one-shot any of the heroes while Cell walked through Kamiccolo's heavily amplified blast like air and broke his neck with one punch. 16 had the upper hand against that guy. He ROFLSTOMPS Super 13 alone. If they can't fuse, 17 and 18 can take this alone.

Super Android 13 also budge at BASE Vegeta yet tanked SSJ Vegeta. Ya point?

[RandomGuy96]

My point: his feats are unimpressive. Imperfect Cell is far superior in the only way we have to compare them (tanking feats and the ease with which they dispatched the heroes). Tanking a heavily amplified attack like air >>>>> budging from punches. 16 stomps.

[TheGmGoken]

My point: his feats are unimpressive. Imperfect Cell is far superior in the only way we have to compare them (tanking feats and the ease with which they dispatched the heroes). Tanking a heavily amplified attack like air >>>>> budging from punches. 16 stomps.

I don't think you can use budging. He budged against Base Vegeta yet tanked SSJ Vegeta.

Teen Goku vs Pre Kami Training Yamcha.