"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:16 pm

Despite the "Xeno" name, this has nothing to do with the Xenoverse story. The Heroes plot is its own thing.
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Post by Sandubadear » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:17 pm

I don't know why the name is different from the EX-Fusion incarnation, but it's "Vegeks" without the N.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:23 pm

I'll edit my first post for that then. I took the name from Herms, as he retweeted and translated it shortly after I did. Looks like he had a blunder there.
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Post by Grimlock » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:23 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:It's basically just Vegetto's head on Vegeta: Xeno's body. The only real difference is the split Gotenks hair and and Trunks: Xeno's coat "skirt".
And that's enough. We don't need to create a whole new design from the scratch, otherwise we would end up getting, as you said, Dragon Ball Fusions' abominations. We don't need that (that's why I feared Heroes adding Fusions characters into its roster a while ago). Heroes version of the things always manage to end up good in the slightest of chances. The simpler, the better.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:35 pm

It doesn't have to be either, or. There's a perfectly capable middle ground where you can combine more elements of both designs. Like giving him a little something extra from Trunks; the blue eyes, gloves, shoes or sword for example? That's not going into Fusions abomination territory, like when they start pulling "Great Saiyaman #12's" or "Gogeta: EX" and giving characters armor when the source characters had none.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:47 pm

A bit off-topic, but I think the Fusions Fusions ( :wink: ) are fine by regular design, but not for what they are. Take Bran (no, I am not using Brapan). I like her design on its own, but I would not pick that for a Fusion between Pan and Bulla in the long run. That's basically my thoughts on most of them.

Also, a little heavy on the bashing here. I get that they're "abominations", but you're sort of being too harsh.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:44 pm

I'm reigning it in as much as I can. Most of the designs are terrible and fail horribly at their intended concept. Even standing on their own, from an artistic standpoint, they come off extremely amateurish. Some cram too much into the design, some really lack color balance, some don't fit in the intended style of the franchise, and the really unfortunate do all of the above.

(Exceptions made from the rant for the fusions provided by kids to the contest that ran during promotion. I don't expect the young fans to be held to the standards of professionals.)
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Post by Meshack » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:52 am

Hey guys. I'm kinda new to the DBH story so will someone [TheDevilsCorpse] inform me of the story arcs along with the transformations

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Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:11 am

Meshack wrote:Hey guys. I'm kinda new to the DBH story so will someone [TheDevilsCorpse] inform me of the story arcs along with the transformations
Much of the story isn't story, just a bunch of random past events in the series.

But lately, they're carrying on the story arc of the Time Patrol from Online and Xenoverse.
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Post by Rinsankajugin » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:31 am

Ah, so the fusion is Time Patrol Vegeks, interesting. And we already know he can go SSJ, so we got that covered. And Demon Goddess Towa confirmed to be playable so quickly, that's pretty good.

I think the biggest surprise is Zeno being in Super DBH, and judging by the small description next to him, it seems he'll be a Special (SP) type character just like Bulma.

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Post by Grimlock » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:00 am

Yeah, we got Super Saiyan Xeno Vegenks already but we haven't seen Super Saiyan Future Gohanks yet. :(

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Post by Rinsankajugin » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:06 am

Grimlock wrote:Yeah, we got Super Saiyan Xeno Vegenks already but we haven't seen Super Saiyan Future Gohanks yet. :(
I'm sure one of the Gohanks will get SSJ eventually.

Also, Vegenks is the EX fusion, Vegeks is the Patora fusion.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:23 am

How is Xeno Trunks with long hair called in the game?
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Post by alakazam^ » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:45 am

Oh, it ended up being Vegeeta and Trunks after all. That's fine, I guess. I think this also hints on what we can expect from Super, given the Potara.
Grimlock wrote:I wonder if Zeno will be playable. :think:
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:How is Xeno Trunks with long hair called in the game?
Anime Kitten wrote:Also, have we gotten any other word on that alternate Xeno Trunks, or is it still unexplained (unless I missed something)?
He's just called Trunks: Xeno as always.

They don't say much, it's just a Trunks that overcame several trials and has an even stronger determination. Basically, it's the impression people would get just by looking at his design.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:59 am

So, this is just a different "costume" of Trunks: Xeno?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by alakazam^ » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:02 am

Yeah, I'd say it's a more mature Trunks: Xeno.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:22 am

Anime Kitten wrote:A bit off-topic, but I think the Fusions Fusions ( :wink: ) are fine by regular design, but not for what they are. Take Bran (no, I am not using Brapan). I like her design on its own, but I would not pick that for a Fusion between Pan and Bulla in the long run. That's basically my thoughts on most of them.

Also, a little heavy on the bashing here. I get that they're "abominations", but you're sort of being too harsh.
What's too harsh about them? Some really are terrible. Look at the Beerus/Goku fusion

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:02 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:What's too harsh about them? Some really are terrible. Look at the Beerus/Goku fusion
That's one of my exceptions. It is a clashing design, but it was made by a kid for the mentioned contest.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:42 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:What's too harsh about them? Some really are terrible. Look at the Beerus/Goku fusion
That's one of my exceptions. It is a clashing design, but it was made by a kid for the mentioned contest.
Oh it was? I didn't know that. That one gets an excuse then.

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Post by ShadowBardock89 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:10 am

After watching Masako X's video on Super Saiyan 3, I'm actually ok with any possible Saiyan characters (Tarble, Cabba, Paragus, Tullece, Nappa, Raditz, and/or King Vegeta) NOT getting the form. Still, I would at least like to see them get Super Saiyan and/or Super Saiyan 2.
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