Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Attitudefan]

He better put up a good fight!

[rereboy]

If Cold had one or more transformations left that allowed him to be stronger than Freeza, I believe he would use them against Trunks or at least try to use them, since he did try to avenge his son's death.

His scheme of trying to get Trunks' sword really feels like he knew that he couldn't beat Trunks no matter what he did, at least as long as Trunks had his sword.

And the only logical reason for him to believe that he couldn't beat Trunks no matter what he did, at least as long as Trunks had his sword, would be if he acknowledged that he wasn't stronger than Freeza, with or without transformations.

[funrush]

His scheme of trying to get Trunks' sword really feels like he knew that he couldn't beat Trunks no matter what he did, at least as long as Trunks had his sword.

And the only logical reason for him to believe that he couldn't beat Trunks no matter what he did, at least as long as Trunks had his sword, would be if he acknowledged that he wasn't stronger than Freeza, with or without transformations.

I think that he was (similar to his son before his defeat by Goku) thinking that there was no way a Saiyan could defeat Freeza that easily with his own power. He then began to theorize that Trunks got his power from his sword. He thought that there was no need to transform after he took Trunks' sword and defeated him with it. But, it backfired resulting in his death. In the end, I think it all came down to Cold's arrogance.

[rereboy]

I agree with what you are saying, actually .

However, I also believe that his same arrogance wouldn't allow him to offer Freeza's place to his son's killer or to ask his son's killer nicely for his sword, if he believed he could do better in a fight against him than Freeza did.

[funrush]

I agree with what you are saying, actually .

However, I also believe that his same arrogance wouldn't allow him to offer Freeza's place to his son's killer or to ask his son's killer nicely for his sword, if he believed he could do better in a fight agaisnt him than Freeza did.

True. I guess it's a mystery what King Cold is really like, or what he was thinking as Toriyama killed him off quickly after he was introduced and was instantly outshadowed by everyone's fear of the arrival of the androids.

[Jaruka]

My main inquiry is why their transformations look so similar while Cooler's transformations look completely different, I figure there isn't a logical reason but it has always struck my mind here and there.

Coola's fourth form is very reminiscent of Freeza, Coola just have five forms whereas Freeza has four. Chances are they all share the same similarity in body shape but a few things are different (like Coola and Freeza's fourth forms).

That being said if Cold and Freeza look very similar they are family, my brother looks a lot like my father but I look nothing like him. Essentially in this scenario I would be Coola and my brother and father; Freeza and Cold respectively.

Makes me wonder if Cold has a fifth form though...

[Rostir]

My main inquiry is why their transformations look so similar while Cooler's transformations look completely different, I figure there isn't a logical reason but it has always struck my mind here and there.

Coola's fourth form is very reminiscent of Freeza, Coola just have five forms whereas Freeza has four. Chances are they all share the same similarity in body shape but a few things are different (like Coola and Freeza's fourth forms).

That being said if Cold and Freeza look very similar they are family, my brother looks a lot like my father but I look nothing like him. Essentially in this scenario I would be Coola and my brother and father; Freeza and Cold respectively.

Makes me wonder if Cold has a fifth form though...

Very well put, but it messes with my mind that King Cold did nothing against Trunks, plot convenience?

[Ussj Future Trunks]

Freeza is not the type to train. Like Draba.

So they already set it up so Freeza is going to be an easy defeat... That's too bad. He was my favourite villain.

Doesn't SEEM like the type. The comic has just surprised us. Why can't it do so again?

[Maphisto86]

I remember in the anime version at least, the heroes on Earth commented that Freeza was accompinied by someone stronger (being King Cold). So already in his "canon" (second?) form, Cold has a slight edge over his son. Then again both were at rest so maybe Freeza was indeed stronger. Why King Cold did not transform against Trunks was that the tyrant sincerely believed that Trunk's sword was the cause of Freeza's defeat. By that logic, if Cold is anything like his son he would seek more power and so he wished to both gain a valuable weapon and humiliate Trunks by depriving him of his sword (not to mention make Trunks an offer). Obviously when King Cold realized his mistake, it was much too late to transform.

Either way King Cold's transformation would give him more power and they do come from an entirely different universe. While Freeza and Cooler seem to be about the same, we know almost nothing about Cold's power. The real questions are: how did this Videl gain the Z sword? What is her true power? What training did she learn in her own, alternate, universe? Is she even remotely strong enough to face Freeza's father? What the heck is up with the long ponytail!?

[Li'l Lemmy]

It could be that this Videl is a...

Well, you know.


~Da Lemmy

[Attitudefan]

... Android

Yeah, probably. Nerf Freeza, Tenshinhan even Yamcha but Videl, she will be one of the greats

[funrush]

... Android

Yeah, probably. Nerf Freeza, Tenshinhan even Yamcha but Videl, she will be one of the greats

Wait, what? Tien and Yamcha were both androids. Yamcha would've beaten 18 but he let her win. Tien's probably even stronger.

[batistabus]

... Android

Yeah, probably. Nerf Freeza, Tenshinhan even Yamcha but Videl, she will be one of the greats

Wait, what? Tenshinhan and Yamcha were both androids. Yamcha would've beaten 18 but he let her win. Tenshinhan's probably even stronger.

I don't think Ten is an android. That's probably why Yamucha looks so young while he does not.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, Tenshinhan doesn't seem to be an Android. Just super-strong. And even still, he apparently hasn't done anything beyond what Vegeta Prime thinks Tenshinhan Prime could already do. Time will tell, I suppose.

[rereboy]

I remember in the anime version at least, the heroes on Earth commented that Freeza was accompinied by someone stronger (being King Cold).

If I correctly remember what Herms said about that, I believe that is not true. It was "a another power like Freeza's" or something of that sort.

[rereboy]

I noticed that Salagir gave some answers in the french section, so I translated them for you:

Videl and the Z-sword:
- It doesn't mean that she pulled it out herself.
- Gohan pulled it out with SSJ1 only, not SSJ2, which gives us a power limit.
- The reason why no Kaioshin was ever able to pull out the sword will be explained in the upcoming pages... I have an idea about that.

Cold's transformation:
- Notice how he talks about his restricted form.
- In fact, Freeza's so called "final" form was actually his original form, he stated that himself.
- The forms "little", "big, bull's horns" and "alien" are the restricted forms that he uses to reduce his power.
- Cold is known to us all as being in the restricted form "big, bull's horns".
- Cold has, in that form, about as much power as his son in his final form (there is no proof of this in the manga, I just arbitrarily decided it for DBM).
- He didn't transform in front of Trunks because he didn't have time.
- But then what is Coola's transformation? Well its sort of a form of augmentation, a kind of SSJ1, that only he was able to create.

So, this is his opinion.

[TonyTheTiger]

I don't know how I feel about Cold being that much more powerful than Freeza. If we're talking "big, bull's horns" form being about equal to Freeza's max of 120,000,000, that means (assuming similar percentages between forms) Cold's full unrestricted power could hover around 5 billion. For all we know that could be substantially higher than Cell. If Cold is really that powerful that makes everything Freeza did nothing more than the shenanigans of a spoiled brat on a joyride. And it also means that the heroes got super lucky Trunks showed up when he did and Cold was an idiot.

Plus it doesn't make much sense when you consider that in the timeline Trunks came from it was Goku who beat Freeza and Cold. If Cold really had substantially more power behind him would he have not transformed against the guy he knew had a power level above 120,000,000?

[dbgtFO]

I agree, Salagir what were you thinking??!

Cold being in a restrictive form is just silly nonsense to me.
But it doesn't really matter in the long run.

I wonder what he has thought up about the Z Sword, maybe he thinks it's got something to do with the potential of the guy pulling it out?

Or maybe it's because the guy(possibly XXI), who trapped the Elder Kaioshin in there worked some magic on it, so that no Kaioshin would ever be able to pull it out?

Both options allows for South Kaioshin to retain his anime feats against Kid Buu, so Salagir can have him, as strong as he originally intended.

[Jaruka]

I love how people are like 'CANON! CANON!' it's like they never consider the fact this is an alternate universe, Freeza could transform into Zebedee from 'The Magic Roundabout' for all I care and it'd still make sense.

[funrush]

I noticed that Salagir gave some answers in the french section, so I translated them for you:

Cold's transformation:
- He didn't transform in front of Trunks because he didn't have time.
- But then what his Coola's transformation? Well its sort of a form of augmentation, a kind of SSJ1, that only he was able to create.

So, this is his opinion.

I guess that makes sense, I assume he would be vulnerable to any attack that came his way during the transformation process. In that case must've had to put hope into the whole "sword is his power source" theory.

About Cooler, I hope that there would be some sort of special explaining how he got that form. I actually, would love if there was a special about that, it'd be better than all of these "slaughter" specials.